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I already knew it before, but I was strongly reminded of just how brilliant that woman is. I believe she is laying out a strong case that everything humanly possible was done.

What kept getting under my skin was the periodic grilling over the USS Cole and why didn't Bush respond. WTF!

More importantly, why didn't Clinton respond?

She showed that she is not only a very intellegent lady but also a class act.

What the hell was up with the people applauding?

I'm pretty sure that was a collection of family mambers from 9/11 victims. I listened on the radio so I didn't see them.
While it didn't bother me, I assume that it might not have been appropriate.

I'm pretty sure that was a collection of family mambers from 9/11 victims. yes that is correct. there was a group of the families that see the attack as the bush admin's fault that came in while the doors were open. the applause was from that group.
she is a brilliant lady and i do believe she is just getting warmed up in her political career. fine with me!

clinton and gore will both be before the committee as well. so will bush. they will be closed door meetings though.

she is a brilliant lady and i do believe she is just getting warmed up in her political career. fine with me!

clinton and gore will both be before the committee as well. so will bush. they will be closed door meetings though.

As soon as the Hildabeast runs, just oppose her with Rice, case closed.


I hope they grill Clinton about the USS Cole! Todays grilling was not neccesary, and if I didn't say it before, PISSED ME OFF!

Is it me or is it obvious that both Clinton and Bush administrations both failed. The fact that 9/11 attacks happened is proof that neither did enough to stop the attack. I thought that the point of the commission was to do everything possible to prevent such attacks in the future, not assign guilt. They are both guilty. Does everything in Washington have to be about partisan politics?

I was talking more specifically about the USS Cole when comparing Clinton and Bush.

I know what its supposed to be, but listening today, it sounded like a witch hunt.

The whole thing is a recreation of McCarthyism. :rolleyes:

Dr. Rice is a very intelligent woman who could have done many wonderful things.................instead, she went into politics.

Is it me or is it obvious that both Clinton and Bush administrations both failed. The fact that 9/11 attacks happened is proof that neither did enough to stop the attack. I thought that the point of the commission was to do everything possible to prevent such attacks in the future, not assign guilt. They are both guilty. Does everything in Washington have to be about partisan politics?

Getting this point across to this group of folks is pretty difficult. My guess is nope. :nono:

The whole thing is a recreation of McCarthyism. :rolleyes:

Wow. Brilliant analogy Robb.

And its just going to get worse.

I didn't watch a lot of the testimony because I got in from New Hampshire this morning and had a lot going on at the office, but what I did watch was strikingly familiar.

This terrorism tribunal (and thats what it is) is just going to get worse unless someone puts a stop to it. You'd think they were addressing some convicted criminal, not the National Security Advisor of The United States of America. Its fast becoming a drumhead trial, and its making us all look very small and very paranoid.

She shouldn't have testified, Bush was right.

Is it me or is it obvious that both Clinton and Bush administrations both failed. The fact that 9/11 attacks happened is proof that neither did enough to stop the attack. I thought that the point of the commission was to do everything possible to prevent such attacks in the future, not assign guilt. They are both guilty. Does everything in Washington have to be about partisan politics?

Add in Carter, Reagan, Congress and scores of bureaucrats over the years to the mix of who missed and whos to blame....

I think Rice addressed this somewhat, and its common knowledge that nothing gets done until it has to in government. This commission may not change that- for years the FBI-CIA problems have been known- it took 9/11 to undo some of the laws preventing their cooperation. Without 9/11 or some other catastrophic incident it seemed unlikely anything would have been done about the terrorists and the the threats and actions they make on the US. It wasnt the focus it is now for obvious reasons. Even now with Homeland security, look at the INS, Border Patrol, State Department Etc - no one wants to give up any of the part of the process they believe they own. Bureaucrats keeping thier slice of the pie. Big problems, Big Catastrophy... maybe a big solution. Although looking at it- maybe not.

One big piece of news that I dont think is getting enough play is the plans that Bush seems to have put into place on Sept 4th to get Pakistan on board and provide us access to Afganistan, instigated without the catalyst of 9/11. Thats big- or would have been big without 9/11- 9/11 changed everything and seems to have sped up the timeframe, but the facts seem to point to a PRO-active plan for dealing with BL after years of swatting at him with cruise missles etc. after the fact.

Although the questioning was predictable, all politics is partisian. They played to an audience of cheers and applause at times. Politicians can't resist. Kerry was a bit out of control- too funny- calling Dr Rice-"Dr Clark", and declassifying documents ("in the spirit of declassification" ) as he wanted, I was waiting for him to start foaming at the mouth. He lost his points with his actions, and I think people were laughing at him when the anology of swatting at flies flew over his head- either he looked stupid for trying to say Bush never responded to something that happened on Clintons watch, or he looked stupid because he missed the point about the punitive actions. My wife thought he was disgusting, I was out of my chair laughing.

Anyway it was entertaining- as it was designed to be, since Dr Rice already gave testimony in private. I agree with Stephen- Bush should have stuck to his guns and not let her testify, she did fine, but I think the commision lost in the exchanges yesterday. The commission may be undermined by its own actions, rather than the actions of those they are investigating if they cant tone it down and stay on task. No big suprise.

I was busy behind gateway, and taking a nap. :bounce: :burnout: :chug: :p

ohh, was something important on? :p

Dane

Anyone seen the movie point of order? :D

I thought the commission members were a little rude in regards to letting her speak. They kept cutting her off, interrupting her, etc. and I thought that was unneccessary. They kept saying "we're short on time", but damn you're interrogating the National Security Advisor about the greatest attack on America, you better have plenty of time.

I thought she defended herself and the Bush administration well. It brought questions about Donald Rumsfeld though, he didn't seem too interested in doing something pre-9/11. Looks like Clinton is going to get back into the limelight too, which is good for him.