The other day we had a car in the shop that had one of those starter imobilizers. You know for drunk drivers. The blow into the breathalizer and it flashes a green light so they can start the car.

Cold day in hell I put my lips on that thing. Sticking an air hose on there doesnt work. A straw doesnt work.

It was nice for a few days so I just worked on it out side, but in the future, does any one know a way around this ?

Blow up a balloon.. place it on there. That's what the drunks do at least. :D

That device is in place, most likely, due to a court order. Tampering with it is against the law in most states. Since the device is there as a reminder to the operator of that incident, I would have them come down and start it every time it needs to be moved.

The ballon is a great idea, but I wouldn't reommend tampering with any device installed under a court order.

Blow up a balloon.. place it on there. That's what the drunks do at least. :D

Im impressed, awsome idea.











I take it you've had experience? :D

Monmix: Why dont you clean it first, then blow? (I know it sounds wrong, bite me)

Wrap a condom around it and cut off the tip:D

Won't work. I had to borrow a truck with one. You have to breath in and out and do it just right or it wont start. And it wont run for more than 30-minutes without blowing the damm thing.

Won't work. I had to borrow a truck with one. You have to breath in and out and do it just right or it wont start. And it wont run for more than 30-minutes without blowing the damm thing.


Thats dangerous....driving on the highway and then the car turns off.

It does not turn off right away, the headlights flash and the horn blows, its a real bitch. If you do not perform the blow sequence it will event disable the vehicle.

Rick's idea may be best. Like unclemeat says, you actually have to blow into the thing. A balloon won't push enough air in long enough or hard enough to make it work. And Fredness is right too; that thing is on there because of a court order so you don't want to tamper with it at all..... though I wouldn't consider blowing into it with a balloon or condom tampering. And another thing, every time it is used and the car is started, it logs the event with a time/date stamp and alcohol reading. Perhaps getting the owner to come down and do it himself like Fredness suggested would be best, though I do believe the condom idea would work too :D

Couldn't you just put it in neutral and push it into/out of the shop.

It does not turn off right away, the headlights flash and the horn blows, its a real bitch. If you do not perform the blow sequence it will event disable the vehicle.

Now if I see some jackass driving down the road with his horn honking and his lights flashing I'll know why:eek:

I thought you had to kind of hum into it to make it go off.

A guy I know had one, he had to hummm into it while blowing, it was a combination of vibration and pressure that made it work.

A friend of mine had one of those in his VW, he had an inflatable rubberband punch ball thing that he would blow up before he went into the bar and stash in the back until he needed to go home.

I thought you had to kind of hum into it to make it go off.

Maybe that's just me

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HAHAHAHHA!! I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!!

Couldn't you just put it in neutral and push it into/out of the shop.

Not always an option due to shop lay out.
The vhecile in question had suspension damage.
Kinda hard to push a car with a steering knuckle split in two.

Well it is fairly rare we get cars in there with those things attached. Maybe we will get lucky and they will all be pushable from here on out.

Tell your boss you need a forklift, very usefull and very fun.

One thing I want to STRESS is DO NOT blow into any of them. I know someone that did and got aids from it. What the doctors told him that it was probably the salava-spit that gave it to him. He swore up and down he had no contact with anyone that had aids. They finally figured that it must have come from the breathalizer. They also went to find the guy that owned the car. Corvette I believe it was. Somehow they court ordered him to submit to a aids test. Yup! He had it.
Sad thing is that he died later and the guy that gave the aids to him is still living.

One thing I want to STRESS is DO NOT blow into any of them. I know someone that did and got aids from it. What the doctors told him that it was probably the salava-spit that gave it to him. He swore up and down he had no contact with anyone that had aids. They finally figured that it must have come from the breathalizer. They also went to find the guy that owned the car. Corvette I believe it was. Somehow they court ordered him to submit to a aids test. Yup! He had it.
Sad thing is that he died later and the guy that gave the aids to him is still living.


im going to have to waive my B.S. flag at that or the court that did the order needs to contract the red cross or another medical agency. as of present there are no known instances of aids being transmitted through saliva, just blood or sexual fluids.

http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/tips/openkiss.html

im going to have to waive my B.S. flag at that or the court that did the order needs to contract the red cross or another medical agency. as of present there are no known instances of aids being transmitted through saliva, just blood or sexual fluids.

http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/tips/openkiss.html

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I don't know what to tell you but thats the way I'm sure it went down. Could be that the guy with aids got in a fight that day-night or a few days-nights ago and got a cut lip? A coldsore? Who knows but the guy is dead from it.
And I don't know why any court would have to contact the Redcross before they ordred any test.
Its common to hear of courts ordering someone to give a DNA sample and I never heard them say that they had to consult the Redcross first.
I may not be understanding what you are saying about the Redcross.
I understand all about aids being transferred by blood and sexual acts and it is common knowelge that nurses and doctors haven't gotten aids from babys that are born with aids through their saliva but it has never been proven that saliva OR sweat will not transfer aids either.
Taken from your Redcross link:
Prolonged open-mouth kissing could dammage the mouth or lips. This may allow HIV to spread from a person with HIV to a partner through cuts, soares or mucus membranes in the mouth.
LOL! Maybe there was some heavy kissing going on, I don't know.:dunno:
I am just stating what happened, how it happened I don't really know.
BTW: Why do paramedics use mouth pieces whem performing mouth to mouth respitation? I just don't know.

either way I am NOT putting my lips on any breathaliser starter.

either way I am NOT putting my lips on any breathaliser starter.

prob a good idea

I did some quick searching and found this link:

http://www.answers.com/topic/breath-alcohol-ignition-interlock-device

and this one that shows a wiring diagram for how these things are hooked up:

http://www.testsymptomsathome.com/ALS21_article.asp


For safety reasons, it looks like the device does not have the ability to shut off the ignition when the engine is running, it just sounds the alarm until the follow up breath check is done or the ignition is turned off by the driver.

All it does is prevent the starter motor from being operated without the breath test.

So, if you want to start the car, just turn the ignition on, go under the hood and use one of those clip-on starter switches to start the engine.

I can't see any reason why it would violate a court order for a service tech to start a car this way for service purposes-- as long as the device is in full operating condition when the car is returned to the drunk.

Lol, Nice :bsnicker:

as long as the device is in full operating condition when the car is returned to the drunk.

Lol, Nice :bsnicker:

Yeah, sometimes the truth isn't so nice. :)

In my searching around I found the website for an interlock service company (a private company that installs, monitors and services these things in accordance with applicable law.) I sent an email asking Monmix's question-- of course they assumed that I was the drunk with this thing in my car-- but anyway, here is the reply I received:

R. Brock;

When you take your vehicle to be serviced, give the service person the phone number for the state headquarters for the device you are using. When the technician calls our office we will verify that he is a legitimate service center and will instruct him on how to bypass the unit while he is servicing your vehicle.

Respectfully

Jack L. Dalton

Director, Market Development
National Interlock Service
jldalton@nationalinterlock.com
800-833-8199


So there you have it-- your service writer should make sure he gets the phone number from the customer so you can call.

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I don't know what to tell you but thats the way I'm sure it went down. Could be that the guy with aids got in a fight that day-night or a few days-nights ago and got a cut lip? A coldsore? Who knows but the guy is dead from it.
And I don't know why any court would have to contact the Redcross before they ordred any test.
Its common to hear of courts ordering someone to give a DNA sample and I never heard them say that they had to consult the Redcross first.
I may not be understanding what you are saying about the Redcross.
I understand all about aids being transferred by blood and sexual acts and it is common knowelge that nurses and doctors haven't gotten aids from babys that are born with aids through their saliva but it has never been proven that saliva OR sweat will not transfer aids either.
Taken from your Redcross link:
Prolonged open-mouth kissing could dammage the mouth or lips. This may allow HIV to spread from a person with HIV to a partner through cuts, soares or mucus membranes in the mouth.
LOL! Maybe there was some heavy kissing going on, I don't know.:dunno:
I am just stating what happened, how it happened I don't really know.
BTW: Why do paramedics use mouth pieces whem performing mouth to mouth respitation? I just don't know.


im not saying they need to consult to perform a test, but any findings of that nature need to be shared other wise confusion and misconceptions regarding the disease will be out there, either you can get aids or you cannot as the red cross and many other national institues claim from saliva. a drunk getting in a fight is highly possible.

paremtics use mouth pieces buecause A its gross, B there are alot of things that can pass from mouth to mouth that are uncurable but not always fatal.

im not saying they need to consult to perform a test, but any findings of that nature need to be shared other wise confusion and misconceptions regarding the disease will be out there, either you can get aids or you cannot as the red cross and many other national institues claim from saliva. a drunk getting in a fight is highly possible.
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paremtics use mouth pieces buecause A its gross, B there are alot of things that can pass from mouth to mouth that are uncurable but not always fatal.
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I just talked to a paremidic and he said he uses mouth pieces on everyone. Well with one exception! If its a pretty girl!:D

the pretty girls are most likly to carry what im hinting at ;) :eek: :D

either way I am NOT putting my lips on any breathaliser starter.

not hard to reconfigure those stupid things anyways. Very easy. Hit me up...

One thing I want to STRESS is DO NOT blow into any of them. I know someone that did and got aids from it. What the doctors told him that it was probably the saliva-spit that gave it to him. He swore up and down he had no contact with anyone that had aids. They finally figured that it must have come from the breathalyzer. They also went to find the guy that owned the car. Corvette I believe it was. Somehow they court ordered him to submit to a aids test. Yup! He had it.
Sad thing is that he died later and the guy that gave the aids to him is still living.

I have been an EMT for 18 years a CPR Instructor for both AHA and Red Cross
I teach Bloodborne pathogens on top of that

HIV does not Live outside of the body for a very long time. It loves its warm little 98.6 host and is more prevalent in Blood then saliva now if there is blood in saliva bingo. A little scenario i use when teaching. If you put two drops of blood on a table one with HIV and one with Hepatitis-B let them dry. first brush off the HIV blood you will have blood dust floating around the air. Now brush off the HEP-B blood you will have active virus floating around the air in the dust.


little Bleach and H20 mixed together at 15-1 and wiped off the affected area will kill any virus. That's the facts as i teach them to EMT, paramedics, Rn's, Md's, police and fire.

Any other qustions feel free to ask. as for getting HIV from blowing on a tube BULL SH*T!!!!!

I have been an EMT for 18 years a CPR Instructor for both AHA and Red Cross
I teach Bloodborne pathogens on top of that

HIV does not Live outside of the body for a very long time. It loves its warm little 98.6 host and is more prevalent in Blood then saliva now if there is blood in saliva bingo. A little scenario i use when teaching. If you put two drops of blood on a table one with HIV and one with Hepatitis-B let them dry. first brush off the HIV blood you will have blood dust floating around the air. Now brush off the HEP-B blood you will have active virus floating around the air in the dust.


little Bleach and H20 mixed together at 15-1 and wiped off the affected area will kill any virus. That's the facts as i teach them to EMT, paramedics, Rn's, Md's, police and fire.
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Any other qustions feel free to ask. as for getting HIV from blowing on a tube BULL SH*T!!!!!

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Hummmm, Yes, I have a question for you! Do you charge for your services? If you do then you should give them their money back for not instructing what the Red Cross AND the Medical Journal state!
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Red Cross:
Prolonged open-mouth kissing could damage the mouth or lips. This may allow HIV to spread from a person with HIV to partner through cuts, sores or mucus membranes in the mouth.
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And also tell them what the Medical Journal stated:
It has NEVER been proven that saliva OR sweat will not transfer AIDS!
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KA-CHING, KA-CHING! Open that cash register up and start giving those refunds out!

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Hummmm, Yes, I have a question for you! Do you charge for your services? If you do then you should give them their money back for not instructing what the Red Cross AND the Medical Journal state!
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Red Cross:
Prolonged open-mouth kissing could damage the mouth or lips. This may allow HIV to spread from a person with HIV to partner through cuts, sores or mucus membranes in the mouth.
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And also tell them what the Medical Journal stated:
It has NEVER been proven that saliva OR sweat will not transfer AIDS!
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KA-CHING, KA-CHING! Open that cash register up and start giving those refunds out!

Red Cross:
Prolonged open-mouth kissing could damage the mouth or lips. This may allow HIV to spread from a person with HIV to partner through cuts, sores or mucus membranes in the mouth.
as you stated damage. Damage = Blood and i did state that HIV is more prevalent in blood then Saliva

I Never mentioned Mouth to mouth I was referring to the mouthpiece and i did state that HIV is more prevalent in blood then saliva so i will keep my paycheck thank you very much there is no way I would type my entire lecture I was referring to the mouthpiece and mouthpiece only.:p:

Red Cross:
Prolonged open-mouth kissing could damage the mouth or lips. This may allow HIV to spread from a person with HIV to partner through cuts, sores or mucus membranes in the mouth.
as you stated damage. Damage = Blood and i did state that HIV is more prevalent in blood then Saliva

I Never mentioned Mouth to mouth I was referring to the mouthpiece and i did state that HIV is more prevalent in blood then saliva so i will keep my paycheck thank you very much there is no way I would type my entire lecture I was referring to the mouthpiece and mouthpiece only.:p:
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Mouth to mouth= Mouth piece to mouth piece. Both parties have to put their lips on the mouthpiece to blow into it!
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So, I take it you do not believe or do not believe in teaching what the Medical Journal has to say either?
I hope no one is :dead: because you didn't teach them right!
KA-CHING! KA-CHING!!!

In my searching around I found the website for an interlock service company (a private company that installs, monitors and services these things in accordance with applicable law.) I sent an email asking Monmix's question-- of course they assumed that I was the drunk with this thing in my car-- but anyway, here is the reply I received:




So there you have it-- your service writer should make sure he gets the phone number from the customer so you can call.

Usefull information. thanks a whole lot

make the new guy at work blow into it :-D the rookies need to be good for something.

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Mouth to mouth= Mouth piece to mouth piece. Both parties have to put their lips on the mouthpiece to blow into it!
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So, I take it you do not believe or do not believe in teaching what the Medical Journal has to say either?
I hope no one is :dead: because you didn't teach them right!
KA-CHING! KA-CHING!!!

I teach just as the Red Cross has taught me. right from there DVD and instructors handbook I went over both " catching HIV from causal contact is very unlikely". If you look hard enough there is somebody out there that will say that you can get HIV from a hand shake, being in the general area of a infected person sneezing or from bumping up against them. Hell I know people that believe that the world is flat.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

So! I take it that the RED CROSS does NOT practice what they preach? SAD!

And they do not mention what the Medical Journal says that there is NO evidence that HIV cannot be transfered from SWEAT OR SALIVA???
Now that you know this, will you now be including this when you instruct???
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You say the Red Cross manual states that "catching HIV from casual contact is very unlikely". Very unlikely means to me that there there is a chance that people could get HIV.
Do you say that when you instruct?

Usefull information. thanks a whole lot


Monmix-- I almost missed your post in the middle of all the hijacking. I'm glad I could give back. I've learned a lot from your posts.:thumbsup:

buy a new car lol... problem solved

buy a new car lol... problem solved
Uhhhhhhhh,
Hmmm
I dont think you read the initial post.

Uhhhhhhhh,
Hmmm
I dont think you read the initial post.

easy way is to just use a shop remote start switch (one that hooks to the starter relay under the hood) and maybe be nice and give the guy a note that states the car was started by shop personnel for the time it was there (the breathalizer interlocks record the time the vech was started and if it was bypassed or not) I use to install those things, not really much to them on the car wiring side, just like a starter kill switch, but usually court ordered units get logs downloaded every month and sent in to be reviewed

The other day we had a car in the shop that had one of those starter imobilizers. You know for drunk drivers. The blow into the breathalizer and it flashes a green light so they can start the car.

Cold day in hell I put my lips on that thing. Sticking an air hose on there doesnt work. A straw doesnt work.

It was nice for a few days so I just worked on it out side, but in the future, does any one know a way around this ?



Just use a balloon, works everytime.

Just use a balloon, works everytime.

doesnt work on most of the newer ones, the ones that I use to install needed constant air pressure and you also needed to hum in to the unit while exhaling in to it (no joke) think they also had temp sensors built in to them as well

Did you call the Interlock company's support # and get around the blow tube problem? I'm sure you are sworn to double secret probation secrecy on how to get around it. ;)

Just use a balloon, works everytime.

Tried that. It could not blow with enough force for enough time.

Well that car is long since gone and we have not yet had one in the shop since ( yaaaay ) so for the time being this thread is for future referance.

the customer should of informed the company that manufactures the device that it was going to be in the shop, and as DeRocha said just call them and they will tell you how to bypass the system.

A friend of mine had one and said that the reason for humming was to defeat the ballons full of air. It evidently takes both sound and air to activate it.

Blow up a balloon.. place it on there. That's what the drunks do at least. :D

hahahaha thats awesome

Had any other drunk cars lately?

wow.

this thread reminds me of a fun prank we pulled on rookies in the navy. we have toilet tubes under our seats, with a funnel at the end. on a rookies first preflight, we used to make them try to talk into it, telling them it was backup communications.....

So! I take it that the RED CROSS does NOT practice what they preach? SAD!

And they do not mention what the Medical Journal says that there is NO evidence that HIV cannot be transfered from SWEAT OR SALIVA???
Now that you know this, will you now be including this when you instruct???
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You say the Red Cross manual states that "catching HIV from casual contact is very unlikely". Very unlikely means to me that there there is a chance that people could get HIV.
Do you say that when you instruct?

I'm sorry to dig up a 13 day old post, however I feel the need to clarify some confusion that one of our genius members "old mechanic" seems to be having. Old Mechanic, if you cared to read what the medical professional was trying to tell you in order to make you sound less ignorant, he said that HIV / AIDS doesn't live outside the body very long. This means in the rare instance the driver got into a fight, then got in his car, blew on the mouthpiece and got BLOOD on it, the HIV/AIDS would not live on the mouth piece for more than a few seconds. Did the person blow on the drunk's mouth piece a few seconds after he blew on it? Mouth-to-mouth is TOTALLY different than mouth-to-mouthpiece in regard to this particular disease. I use barrier devices when performing assisted manual breathing, but AIDS isn't the most probable disease I would think I'd get by not using a barrier device.

Shop air compressors are there for a reason.

Plus you have all the rubber hoses and clamps you'll ever need. ;)

Shop air compressors are there for a reason.

Plus you have all the rubber hoses and clamps you'll ever need. ;)

wont work.

wont work.

If McGiver can make a nuclear reactor out of salt water and mentos then is should be a piece of cake to rig up :D

Jumpers in the distribution box solves this problem. I wouldn't be going home with the flu because of someone's drunk driving problem.

I got a remote starter switch.
Works just fine.