http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AUTO_SHOW_FORD_EXPLORER?SITE=ILMOL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

"The most radical change: The Explorer America concept is built on a more car-like unibody frame" :(

The explorer might as well be dead:(

DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL! I GIVE UP ON LIFE!

Why do they always have to ruin something good?

It looks like a fricken scion

http://hosted.ap.org/photos/N/NYOL59901060532-big.jpg

I'd choose my 2nd gen any day over that, even if it is more fuel efficient. I think ford motor company has ruined the meaning of SUV.

unibody frame

Ha, that's an oxy moron if I've never seen one.

That car is gross. And they don't even mention a v8 option, even though they say the 4banger can drop 275 horses... and a lightweight body means its either going to be much more expensive to keep it safe because they need a thinner and stronger body material or the price will stay about the same but it wont be able to save anyone in a collision.

Ha, that's an oxy moron if I've never seen one.

You know what's a real oxy moron? Calling this an "Explorer"

This thing won't be doing any more exploring that a civic would:(

Just what ford needs, ANOTHER crossover that won't survive for more than a year or two. How many will that be now?

The Subaru revolution has infected ford-who's next. btw, has anyone seen that new Honda Ridgline with 4 wheel independent suspension? Why would you want that on a pickup?

That car is gross. And they don't even mention a v8 option, even though they say the 4banger can drop 275 horses...

It doesn't matter how much HP it makes if isn't makes good torque numbers too. And with a 3000lbs tow rating it can't be that strong.

The Subaru revolution has infected ford-who's next. btw, has anyone seen that new Honda Ridgline with 4 wheel independent suspension? Why would you want that on a pickup?

That's been around for quite some time now, at least a couple years. But now Honda's considering the sub-compact market with a 'green truck' that will compete in the market where ford has been letting the ranger die in :(. It seems more like ford is forcing these vehicles to sell, rather than giving the public what it seems to want, proven by how many big trucks and suvs with body-on-frame construction are still selling. When's the last time you heard someone complain that their Super Duty rode too much like a truck?

It looks like 100% street...

Ok, who wants to get the petition started to ford saying this thing can't have the name explorer?

I know I would rather see the explorer die than have this carry it's name.

i would deffinatly sign that petition... let the name die with some respect.

^^Welcome to the forum

I have to say, I never did like 3rd gens, but I am starting to like them. I would actually be ok with owning one now.
This just crosses the line, though. If they ever make it, any members with one on the forum should have the user title "Wannabe Explorer":D

Didn't ford bring out a couple vehicles to truckhaven once to get an idea of how to orient the explorer more towards off road driving? Wtf happened since then?

Didn't ford bring out a couple vehicles to truckhaven once to get an idea of how to orient the explorer more towards off road driving? Wtf happened since then?

They're called bean counters, and they figured out it's cheaper to build a car with a big body on it, and call it an "suv" than to build a real rig capable of doing more than going down a gravel road. Because unfortunately most of the explorers/mountaineers we love so much won't ever see a gravel road, let alone real rocks or mud.:(

So the Ex is going, the Excursion is gone, doesn't this make room for the Bronco? just a dream?

At this rate, the next Bronco will end up being a renamed 2 door hatchback focus.

okay, i just threw up in my mouth a little.

but i guess this is about the same as bringing back a name like 'Charger' and slappin it on a family sedan w/ a v6 (and upgrade options of a v8). or slapping the name 'GTO' on, what looks to me like, a two door drand prix. (even tho they did offer the 6 liter v8 with it).

i would also sign that petition.

but youve got to think. making the 'Ex' (if you can even call it that) more family-friendly is just going to help their sales. i mean, honestly, how many ex's do you see on the road everyday that has a lift, mud tires, steel bumper, winch, or something to that affect?
in a city of 50-70,000 there may be 2-3,000 expos. i have never seen one lifted around here 0 albeit maybe a few with brush guards or whatnot....

for the majority of it's use, the ex is a grocery getter/ taxi for soccer practice.

I don't disagree with the fact that the majority of explorers are for 'grocery getting' and what-not. But it seems to me like there are tons of people out there that buy explorers or any other suv because of the utility that it offers, and also for the fact that they could engage 4-lo if they ever needed to, even though the chances they wont are far greater, and these buyers know that in reality. Also, a lot of suv drivers chose to drive an suv because of the solid, safe feeling they provide over a sedan, and the feeling of sitting higher above traffic, but if the new suvs are built off of sedan platforms with soft car-like rides, then what can these people turn to now?

Can I take back my vote on "would you buy another Explorer". It looks like it will be fuel-efficient all right, but it definitely got taken behind the woodshed with the old ugly stick and a gravel road like the one my ex lived on would probably be a stretch for it. We can only hope that Ford will bring back the Bronco in the same fashion that Toyota brought back the FJ. I have to say I didn't like the FJ's looks at first, but it is growing on me. I just might if Ford can't get their acts together.

Lots more pictures here:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/detroit-2008-ford-explorer-america-concept/559728/

The exterior is just hideous.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/exploreramercon_07.jpg

If it was squared off a little bit more the styling would be acceptable. It's like the new Toyota Highlander, where you can't really tell where one side ends and the other begins. :confused: But good styling wouldn't even make up for the fact that it's a CAR.

Explorer America:shoot:

Id rather Ford let the Explorer die then have this garbage impersonate it.

Come on guys- that is so far away from a production vehicle... The other thing is- technology changes. As much as I would like another Gen II Explorer, in today's market, it would hardly sell. Small, terrible mileage, old styling- it's aged. Ford needs to sell to people that are buying other makes to survive. As much as I could say "I'd never own that hideous Ex" when it came down to it, I'd buy a Ford- and a lot of you all would too, whether you admit it or not. And probably that one if it came down to it... Granted, the towing isn't there, but 80% of the model isn't done yet. Have some faith. Concepts are to be taken with a grain of salt, but they can't make another Gen III/IV- too many cooler designs are out there to keep the Gen III/IV Ex on the shopping list for non Ford buyers- which is who Ford needs to lure.

And I just made the cave pic my wallpaper. :D

this looks like a miniature suburban... some angles are not so bad, if i were doing something for the street only, that might not be a bad choice. but how will the actual version look compared to this?

On the plus side, if anybody were to actually try to build this up and offroad it, it would be able to survive a rollover..
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/exploreramercon_01.jpg
:rolleyes:

Its...like..a minivanhttp://www.323f.lt/forum/images/smiles/puke.gif
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/exploreramercon_03.jpg

I'm not sure what's funnier to look at, the explorer, or that vomiting smilie.

And, while I'm at it..one more....


This is NOT the rear hatch..This is the front....

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/exploreramercon_07.jpg

Edit: Had to add vomiting smilie..

http://www.323f.lt/forum/images/smiles/puke.gif

Well yll are about to freak but i think it looks good.

BAN BURNS.

Just kidding. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Even when it is wrong.:p:

am i the only one excited about double sas?

Its all centered around the X. Like the front end and the x on the tires. Which is sweet

am i the only one excited about double sas?

Aren't we still waiting to see that on a 3rd or 4th gen?

I kind of like it even though it looks like a space ship inside. What the hell is that huge green thing on the dash?

It looks like a fricken scion

http://hosted.ap.org/photos/N/NYOL59901060532-big.jpg

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! I've had dumps today that had more appeal than that monstrosity. but to be fair that "rock" formation is pretty neat

Its...like..a minivanhttp://www.323f.lt/forum/images/smiles/puke.gif
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/exploreramercon_03.jpg

it had to be winched out cause those are some pretty mean pebbles

Lets just hope there are some Ford Executives or Designers that look at this forum and see just how well all of the actual die hard Explorer fanatics are relieving the E***orer America. Ford you have already created on road only crossovers, The Flex and the Taurus X, leave the frame and a V8 option in the Explorer. Im going to cry. :(

I don't like it much, but at the same time.. futuristic car designs interest me, granted they're nowhere as versatile as our vehicles are now. The interior looks very advanced, clean, simple and fancy. It looks alright, but... don't make it an Explorer.. If they do, they should have slightly smaller rims, box it up a little more and make it a tad taller.. make it look like the traditional SUV. Slogan can be something like, We brought the SUV back! or something silly of that sort. I don't know what else to say about this... but like another poster said.. this is just a concept.. look at the.. I think it was the 01 Explorer or 01 ST concept.. looks pretty fancy and streamlined.. but it never came out that way.

I'm having visions of a not so far future, walking on the sidewalk.. looking at cars and trucks that look like that.. very quiet.. a peaceful generator sound from under the hood... but someone comes driving a fuel injected vehicle and it's "loud" and everyone just stares at it.. some cover their noses from the smell of exhaust.... -_-'' *Sigh*

but youve got to think. making the 'Ex' (if you can even call it that) more family-friendly is just going to help their sales.

Not if there's anything to truly distinguish it and make it different and better than any of the other million unibody crossover fake SUVs out there not to mention Ford's own Flex and Taurus X. What happened to Ford's ingenuitive and revolutionary spirit like when they originally came out with the Taurus. These days they just follow what everyone else does but two years too late.

Something to think about.
From Article:

But Ford says the Explorer America is still roomy enough for six passengers and gear, and can tow 3,500 pounds.

From Ford Website:
Ford Escape
Towing capacity: 3,500 with Class II Trailer Towing Package

And how is this Explorer concept any different or an actual mid size "SUV" (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) compared to an Escape to the Ford Execs?:confused::rolleyes::thumbdwn::thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

Would the Gen 1/2 be classified as a "compact SUV" due to cargo ratings?

Here's a thought- Ford does not have a minivan. Are they considering using that door style to bridge the gap for many families? Maybe the Fairlane isn't going to be as much of a minivan replacement as first thought...

Any would those doors be handy to the driver and front seat passenger to pull gear out on very narrow trail cuts and parking lots? (Not that it would actually BE off road...) I'd give it a shot though... I honestly can't say that when all is said and done, that door style wouldn't be a better idea in parking lots...

What about the aerostar and windstar? I might have just totally got something mixed up right there.. but yea.. anyways..

What about the aerostar and windstar? I might have just totally got something mixed up right there.. but yea.. anyways..

Those are no longer being produced.

THis might be a bit off topic, but I wish ford would come out with something that would compete with the Hummers, H1 or H2, Something with an upclass style and still have the ability to wheel off the showroom floor.

That thing looks like crap, the latest explorer I'd consider owning is a 3rd but rather have the 1st and 2nd gens. That thing wouldn't survive long in off road conditions. I guess we need to preserve our 1st and 2nd gen explorer's we have now if we want suv's that'll go off road that can handle it. just my 2cnts tho

First Explorer was a van, no?

I think the first vehicle that was an "Explorer" model was the 70's F series trucks as it was a package type label I think.

So the Explorer has mutated throughout its history... wow, man. And wonder why people are buying toytaz left and right. I hope the real release is something nicer than that...

That is what I remember, just like the Ranger.
So maybe Ford will come out with a vehicle called the Lariat as it's own line someday.

What about the aerostar and windstar? I might have just totally got something mixed up right there.. but yea.. anyways..

don't thay have a freestar now or something like that to replace the windstar?

and they're bringing the fairlane back, but as a van???

And I think but not 100% sure but early 80's rangers had a "explorer" package

don't thay have a freestar now or something like that to replace the windstar?


The Freestar was the exact same thing as the Windstar just with a new name. But they don't make that any longer either.

is it just me or can any of you imagine a soccer mom trying to cut the wipers on and end up hitting the parking brake?:eek:

F*cking disgusting. If those ever make production, I'm going to hang myself. They look like the Pontiac Aztec mated with a UFO and started spitting out SUV wannabes. What a disgrace.

They look like the Pontiac Aztec mated with a UFO and started spitting out SUV wannabes. What a disgrace. Agreed! good analysis.

That things nasty! they shoulda kept the same styles as the first and second gens

The Explorer still leads the mid-size SUV segment, although the segment has been suffering because of high gas prices.
I don't think it's the gas prices that are making them suffer...

I don't mind the looks of the Explorer America, I just don't think it should be called an Explorer...

...and IMO, the Explorer (4 door) died in '02.

just say this tread and i have to say that looks nasty, but the headlights look cool...lol

Actually the Fairlane concept turned into the Flex- and it's coming...

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/joemaley/Flex.jpg

There is no more Freestar or other minivan in Fords fleet anymore. The Flex is sort of replacing that... :eek:

CLICK ME FOR MORE (http://www.fordvehicles.com/flex/)

That thing sorta reminds me of a land rover

Yes, on the Explorer concept, the rear quarter looks like an Escape but the hood looks like a Land Rover. I hope they don't go for the small rear window like in the Edge. I want a vehicle where I can see out the back. Its only a concept, so the production Ex will probably look different. Look at the headlights. Do you think they could get DOT approval? The whole front is a gimmick. How far has Ford gotten with their goofy Airstream concept or the tantalizing Escape-based Bronco concept? Concepts are concepts and nothing more.

Its not as ugly as the Edge and it looks more "masculine" than the Taurus X. Maybe the new Explorer will replace the Taurus X, which probably still isn't selling that well.

Yes, I'm not happy with what Ford did to the Explorer, but it is inevitable if they want to compete with the imports. With rising fuel prices and the new CAFE law of 35 mpg, it don't see that Ford has much choice, if they want to keep the Explorer alive at all.

The new engine looks interesting, provided it can withstand the pressures of turbo and direct injection without blowing up. I suspect that the next gen Explorer will be offered first with the 3.5L engine that is in poduction now.

Sure, I like the styling of the 1st and 2nd gen Explorer better, but I'm probably in the minority compared to most people who seem to want a sleeker look now. I would still buy the new Ex. What's the alternative? You won't get me in a Honda soccer-Pilot, CR-V-yuk!; Toyota with the timing belt and oil sludge issues, etc, etc. Xterra?- too tall and only as much cargo room as an Escape.

Bob

Yes, I'm not happy with what Ford did to the Explorer, but it is inevitable if they want to compete with the imports. With rising fuel prices and the new CAFE law of 35 mpg, it don't see that Ford has much choice, if they want to keep the Explorer alive at all.


Like someone else said if they want to have that concept it should be called something else. I think it would be better to let the Explorer die with dignity than do that to it.

It should be renamed the Excuseme, the Expectorant, or the ExactlyWTF...


If this were the case, that they had to morph it to survive, there's no way toytaz could have surpassed Ford because Ex sales would be up as a result of the morph. It would be a winner, but it's not. The Ex is unrecognizable.:cool:

Like most concepts, this is not the final version. But Louisville assembly plant does have contracts through 2010 for the current Explorer. But looking at Ford's history with concept vehicles VS production models, this probably isnt far off from the next Explorer. The name in and of itself carries a lot of weight. Look at the Five Hundred/Taurus naming situation. If Alan Mullany is on the same track, the Explorer name is to stay, but probably not the vehicle as we all know it. Knowing from my sources with the suppliers with the explorer, it will be a modified Flex/MKT platform. meaning FWD with AWD as option. It will probably be the next vehicle to receive Ford's next gen EcoBoost 3.6 V6. At least the Explorer will be available with a turbo now, heh.

As far as the styling, from the side profile, it doesn't look all that bad. It takes the Basic Explorer styling theme and make it more attractive. For the front fascia, expect a modified three bar grille them, but more angular than current design. Wouldnt surprise me if Ford creates a new word for it, like Squircles (see ford fusion, thats what they call the headlights, i swear)

I hate to admit it like everyone else here, but unfortunately the Explorer has lived on as long as it could before this would happen. Sad day for us all.

BTW, there's always the option of a hunger strike in front of Ford HQ chained to our swapped axles....

Just curious wat would happen to this forum if Ford does release that. Can we not acknowledge it cuz that thing really shouldn't be called an explorer.

Hmmm....idk, nothing would happen to the forum as far as closing I'm pretty sure bout that. Most of us just wouldn't know much about the build or technology of the new what they want to call "Explorer".

The actual model will probably look great... it's that image there that is shocking.

It is kinda hard to tell what the final product will look like, it'd be nice if they'd make it like the 1st and 2nd gens that had some b*lls and ya wouldn't have to think twice about taking off road.

Because unfortunately most of the explorers/mountaineers we love so much won't ever see a gravel road, let alone real rocks or mud.:(

Very true my friend. The fact of the matter whether we like it or not is that we are in the minority of Explorer buyers. Most don't even use their 4 wheel drive in the snow, even if equipped with it.

The thing that bothers me more then anything about this is that the Explorer will be stripped of its roots because of fuel economy. More and more vehicle designs today revolve around getting a decent amount of power out of an engine thats the size of a soda bottle, by adding forced induction and what not to the gasoline engine. I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about oil prices going up, while we have sufficient technology to produce Hydrogen powered vehicles. I'm not talking about Hydrogen Fuel Cells that power electric motors, but actual Hydrogen burning Internal Combustion Engines. Ford is one of the leaders in creating a hydrogen vehicle, but i haven't heard anything on it lately. I would love to see the Explorer given a new lease on life as being the first hydrogen powered SUV. Not to mention the only emission is heat and water, and hydrogen can be extracted from water using electrolysis. and any existing gasoline engine can be converted to run on hydrogen.

Check out these links, this is why I just don,t understand why manufactures seem to be dragging their feet.

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=18794

http://www.ford.com/innovation/environmentally-friendly/hydrogen

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/15/la-2007-honda-shows-4th-generation-home-energy-station/

Do you remeber the 70's (mustang II, duster, etc.) History unfortunatly repeats itself

Sad-sad-sad -sad day for Ford truck owners. If this POS is the shape of things to come from Ford I'm either going to have to keep buying used GenII's for the rest of my days or break down and buy an FJ cruiser next time. I've always owned a Ford truck of one type or another for the last 30 years that I have been driving, but this is the end for me.

Ford, listen up, there is a reason that Toyota is now #2 and your market share is slipping (wanna try for 4th or 5th place next year??). They design a quality vehicle for their target customers and stay true to the badge. If I had wanted a unit body with a sewing machine motor I would have bought a Suzuki Samurai, but I didn't. Bronco, F150, F250, Explorer, none of these trucks delivered any less than I expected, and I was happy enough to own them.

Sh*t, now I'm left with a choice of a still decent used vehicle or a Toyota because every GM that I have ever bought has been an unexcusable piece of junk that was constantly broken down.

Oh well, I have two major TOYOTA plants within 30 minutes of my house; I might as well admit that they are now the new "domestic" as many of my friends work in their factories now instead of Ford in Oakville and Talbotville.

It just looks like an updated version along the same lines as the Bronco concept:

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=16642

You can forget the Explorer ever being an on/off-road SUV ever again, Ford killed that idea years ago when the IRS replaced the solid axle. My guess would be they will keep using the Explorer name on whatever they sell as a "crossover", even though it's a car.

If they come out with anything new that would be close to an actual SUV, it's likely to be an updated Bronco, to compete with the Toyota FJ.

It just looks like an updated version along the same lines as the Bronco concept:

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=16642

You can forget the Explorer ever being an on/off-road SUV ever again, Ford killed that idea years ago when the IRS replaced the solid axle. My guess would be they will keep using the Explorer name on whatever they sell as a "crossover", even though it's a car.

If they come out with anything new that would be close to an actual SUV, it's likely to be an updated Bronco, to compete with the Toyota FJ.

I would looooove to have the Bronco, but if it looks like a hummer/rover/fridge combo, no thanks! The toytaz Cruiser is everywhere around here... what are the sales figures on that model? Gotta be pretty high up there...

I was thinking H3, crossed with ugly-ass concept explorer.

:D

the 2009 flex looks like the scion xb who thinks it does. Even my gf thinks so too she thought it was a scion xb as well.

Anyone see the Flex on Extreme Makeover- Home Edition tonight? ;) I like it. Maybe a limited run vehicle, because the retro draw only seems to last 3-4 years, like the PT and the newer style 300 did.

I somewhat doubt that this will be the new Explorer, since the whole Ford line is going towards the Super Duty-esque chrome horizontal grille front.

Unfortunately, if this IS going to be the next Explorer, I wouldn't buy another one. My next vehicle would probably still be a Ford.. most likely the F-150, since the '09 concept looks amazing, a Super Duty, or an Expedition EL (if they don't turn that into some glorified minivan too). I want something that at least KINDA resembles a truck.

or an Expedition EL (if they don't turn that into some glorified minivan too).

To late for that ever since they gave it IRS.

I just noticed a video of this on YouTube and was going to start a thread about it but I did a search and found this one.

Personally, I hate it. :mad: Part of me is still living in a fastasy world in which Ford will come out with some spectacular new design that mimics the original Explorer and actually has off-road capabilities, unlike this b@stard child of a minivan and an SUV that they came up with. I know it's only a concept right now but if this is the future of Ford SUV's then my next vehicle will be a 4 door Jeep Wrangler.

Here's the video I saw:
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It has a picnic table that comes out of the back. Whoo hoo. :rolleyes:

Doesn't ford already have a car that looks like this one called the EDGE?
Why do they need two crossovers, isn't it enough to just have one. If i wanted a sissy car i would buy a honda civic or a honda pilot.

Those of us who truly explore and participate in off highway "Serious Explorations" have become the minority. These days a "Serious Exploration" has become a safe trip to Starbucks and back.:thumbdwn:

Yeah....it sucks that EXPLORER has pretty much lost its off-road meaning.

Yeah, how is the new Explorer going to be anything other than a lifted Taurus-X?

So Ford will have nothing trail worthy in their product line? (I consider the Expedition and F150 to be too big for Exploration).

The new Escapes look more trail worthy than the Explorer concept, especially if Ford deletes the 2-speed transfer case. I haven't heard anything about what the drivetrain will be like, except for the new engine. Will it be FWD/AWD? Phooey!

Grrrrrr...:mad:

Bob

Well, I'm obviously in the minority. I think it looks awesome! Too bad the production version most likely won't look as cool.

To bad Ford has such idiots leading the company. They need to fire (buy out) the management, and keep the workers.

Now after watching that video i do not like it anymore.



However i still like the body and doors but thats it!!!

i havent been on in a few days and this makes me sick!!!!!!!! frickin rediclious! this is a absolute discrace to the explorer name.
This minivan-sedan shouldnt be called a explorer
Long live the 2nd generation :salute:

i havent been on in a few days and this makes me sick!!!!!!!! frickin rediclious! this is a absolute discrace to the explorer name.
This minivan-sedan shouldnt be called a explorer
Long live the 2nd generation :salute:

I agree!! well and the 1st generations.

Those of us who truly explore and participate in off highway "Serious Explorations" have become the minority. These days a "Serious Exploration" has become a safe trip to Starbucks and back.:thumbdwn:

Rick- with the condition of the roads up here in Michigan, I think I've seen people pulling out of potholes that look exactly like your avatar... :D

I agree though- 95% of these vehicles never go off road. 4% of the remaining 5% consider off road to be an unpaved street or unpaved boat launch. :rolleyes:

i agree with you on that BUT- that is the look of the explorer- off roady but still good for familys. What they are doing now is rediculous:thumbdwn:

Those of us who truly explore and participate in off highway "Serious Explorations" have become the minority. These days a "Serious Exploration" has become a safe trip to Starbucks and back.:thumbdwn:

Yeah....it sucks that EXPLORER has pretty much lost its off-road meaning.

I was speaking to a local dealership recently about the Ex and Expedition. I was told that they are being changed in order to compete with other vehicles. The focus on the old consumer has changed, a new consumer is now pushing the designs, colors, everything... I pointed out that all of the vehicles in the showroom (from subcompacts to SUVs) were all street. I was told that is what the buyers want... (I still think this makes room for the new Bronco, but, at the cost of losing the old buyers?? Gamble.)

Chrysler has the jeep.
GM has the hummers.
Toyoto has the FJ.
What does Ford have?

Chrysler has the jeep.
GM has the hummers.
Toyoto has the FJ.
What does Ford have?

I was just sittin here thinking bout that before checking my e-mail. If they're going to make the explorer more car like then it'd be awesome for a new age Bronco, something still able to go off-road.

dial-up at home. You tube blocked at work:

This is what you're all talking about right?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/13/detroit-2008-evolving-the-explorer-ford-explorer-american-con/

-Andy
D.J.O.R. Netzhauptmann

That's the new Ex concept, yes.

That's the new Ex concept, yes.

OK, with that confirmed I say Ford needs to get a life. They've gone and started killing the two Ford products I've ever owned and liked out side of the F-series and Ex Sporttracs. The Mustang is going to die in 2009 when they release the new model that takes alot of cues from that horrible concept designed by that Italian guy. And now this complete and total disgrace to the Explorer. Let's see what Mr. Webster says makes an Explorer

ex·plor·er
Pronunciation[ik-splawr-er, -splohr-] –noun

1. A person or thing that explores.
2. One that explores, especially one that explores a geographic area.

Thank-you Mr. Webster now go tell Ford that...........

All you have to do is look at how the Explorer changed in each generation to see it's slow demise:
:exporange Gen 1. Pretty darn good platform; Solid 8.8 rear, TTB front, good 4.0 V6

:exp: Gen 2. Alright - much better in the water proof area, still sitting on the same Ford 8.8 rear but now sporting an IFS(bad):thumbdwn:, Now available 4.0L SOHC V6 :thumbsup: optional torque pounding 5.0L V8.

:roll: Gen 3. Life almost over - IFS AND IRS.

:roll: Gen 4. two words - BLING GRILLE

The last Explorer I will ever buy is possibly an '01 Sport or early model Sporttrac. Anything newer :roll:

-Andy
D.J.O.R. Netzhauptmann

Except for Gen 3, agreed :) Gen 4 is the chromed out edition. But neither was made for serious off roading - meaning serious suspension modifications. However, gen 3s aren't too shabby...

The Expedition is going that way too... If Ford doesn't throw out some serious vehicles soon, they will have surrendered to Toyta.

I was told that they are being changed in order to compete with other vehicles. The focus on the old consumer has changed, a new consumer is now pushing the designs, colors, everything...

Blame your girlfriends and wives:p

Ford is designing vehicles for women, since women are implementable in the majority of vehicle purchase decisions. Men can't find a decent Ford to go offroad with, because our women won't let us have one:rolleyes:

What's important to most women? Comfort, not being able to feel a shift, not being able to feel a bump, tissues close at hand, big drink holders, and plenty of vanity mirrors.

I have to blame Ford. Toyota isn't doing this to their vehicles... Only Ford has feminized their vehicles to the point where you can barely change the tire size without altering the suspension first. Ford does not appear willing to compete with Toyota for the male market... Cruisers, Hummers, etc... no Ford equivalent.

I miss the Excursion:( i never owned one, the gas scared me away, but still it was a truck, not a sissy unibody POS

Damn that guy from Cars i bet he hasn't ever been through woods muddin it up or going over huge rocks. Ford's have always had awesome looking trucks and were always made to look tough. Their slogan has to change if they produce something like that. They should do that for lincoln or mercury but keep the explorer lookin off road like

"They should do that for lincoln or mercury but keep the explorer lookin off road like" Person 21

Isn't that the truth? Well said...:thumbsup:

Damn that guy from Cars i bet he hasn't ever been through woods muddin it up or going over huge rocks. Ford's have always had awesome looking trucks and were always made to look tough. Their slogan has to change if they produce something like that. They should do that for lincoln or mercury but keep the explorer lookin off road like

I'm missing something here. What guy from cars?:confused:

Will the new Explorer at least have a 2-speed transfer case? Ford must be so hurting for cash that they have to:
1) Build several vehicles (Edge, Taurus X, Explorer and XC-90) all on the same platform.
2) Focus only on the markets with the biggest volume: sedans and crossovers.

The Explorer stopped looking and running like a real truck when they went to the third generation. Compared to the 1st and 2nd generations, its bigger and wider and looks like a minivan from the back. Don't even mention the 3rd row seat.:thumbdwn:

At least the new concept doesn't look as femme as the Edge and the Flex. Even the Taurus X looks better than those two, though it looks mainly like a lowered Explorer. Some joke. :thumbdwn:

The rising cost of fuel will kill the Explorer and most other SUV's anyway.:mad:

Here's my plan: I'll wait until the 2009 MY and buy a 4-cyl Escape for a daily driver, then carefully preserve my 1st gen Explorer and keep it as a backup and for the messy jobs. At least the Escape looks like a truck and its about the same size and shape as the old Bronco II and the Explorer Sport.

Do I sound pessimistic?:confused:

Bob

"The Explorer stopped looking and running like a real truck when they went to the third generation. Compared to the 1st and 2nd generations, its bigger and wider and looks like a minivan from the back."

The 3rd gen: It may not be a rock crawler (yet), but it's no grocery buggy either! :cool:

Donner:

Yes, that one in your picture is a real truck. Nicely fitted-out.

Bob

did u put some new rims and tires on ur x donner it looks awesome keep up the good work

hey at least the america explorer has the Jurassic Park glass roof :) they finally got one thing right ...but the studios thought of this is 93'

Well, maybe we'll have to wait for a real preview or a review before we pass judgment. When is the new Ex coming out?
I hear MY's ranging from 2009 to 2012.

Bob

Problem is that we need more aftermarket products for 3rd gen and up. We just are so limited. But what did the previous Ex concepts look like? I've never seen one...

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=6460

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2005/ford/strac/page1.html

Problem is that we need more aftermarket products for 3rd gen and up. We just are so limited.

This really sucks for us. I was looking at the aftermarket availability for a 2004-present F-150 (a friend is considering getting one and modding the shit out of it), and it's massive compared to what we have, even though the 3rd gen came out 2 years before the friggin' F-150. ALMOST makes me want to trade in for an F-150, but I like the X too much... hehe.

So does this mean that we will no longer be able to buy truck based suvs?
I have a fourth gen but its still better than a honda pilot or a ford edge.

That's right. Truck-based SUV's are being killed off by changing consumer tastes and high fuel prices.

Honda Pilot is based on their minivan platform. Three row seating and mushy suspension just like a minivan. The Explorer concept and the 2009 Pilot concept look a lot alike.

Edge is just yuk, designed to compete against yuppie crossovers like the Nissan Murano and the BMW.

I wish there were some good news.

Bob

Just had to bring this thread back.

I was looking at google images and i found this picture that someone photoshopped.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5593/2010fordexplorerversionnc0.jpg

Still wouldn't buy one but the change to the headlights and foglights, not to mention the mirrors looks way better.

At least there is no frame hanging down... but ugh.

I still like it


:)

You would drive that?

Everyday

I'm gone... I'd cut you off in traffic every time I saw you :)

Thats cool....I'd just run that puppy right into ya :)

Under... that things flat as a quarter... you'd pass right under Red :( Poor Ex, what have they done?

Needs a chrome grill, and someone please photoshop some Manliness into it, this ex needs HELP!!!

Needs suicide doors, but I'd drive it too.

reminds me of a honda element...

im glad its just a concept

i dont think they'd keep the explorer name on that
they would give it another ghey name and call it a crossover

are station wagons and vans coming back in style or something?

I'd run it...

http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/3420/medium/ConceptXLifted.jpg

Wilma, Fred, Barney, Betty... oh, Bam Bam and Pebbles... uggums!

I'd run it...

http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/3420/medium/ConceptXLifted.jpg

With a safari style roof rack with some Daylighters on it, and CB antennas it might be ok.

But Fords Concept
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/WingmanSVT/exfail.jpg

looks to me like the ford guys have stolen there ideas from the land-rover guys here in the uk before they sold up and left,because that looks like a freelander crossed with a discovery,and a little range-rover sport thrown in for good measure.

Ford does own Land Rover

looks to me like the ford guys have stolen there ideas from the land-rover guys here in the uk before they sold up and left,because that looks like a freelander crossed with a discovery,and a little range-rover sport thrown in for good measure.

I think it looks like a worthless piece of worthlessness with some worthless on top.

You know i sort of like it. It looks way better than a Ford Edge. Sucks that the explorer is going to die, but no one lives forever. Hey i tell you what if they go forward with this i am going for a test drive. It may be a sissy unibody but i would be happy with awd. As long as it has a 5 or 6 speed trans i would be good. (5 speed = 5 forward gears, 6 speed = 6 forward gears) I don't like 4 speeds, my current ex has the 5 speed and it shifts really smooth.

Ford does own Land Rover

Not any more-
Jaguar and Land rover sold to TA TA for 2.3 Bagillion $$

Yeah, the new Ex blows ass... it's basically just a renamed Escape (which is already an abomination to the Ford "truck" line, as with all corssovers). Unibody and FWD "trucks" are a joke... you really have to be clueless about cars to drive one. Soccer mom cruisers, that's all they are. :mad:

I'm keeping my 2nd gen Ex forever - I'll just swap drivetrains for newer ones in it over the years as it becomes necessary due to major break downs, lol. Maybe even put an electric conversion kit in it at some point and turn it into a 4x4 EV, thus really sticking it to the oil companies and Ford.

So many possibilities with that framed RWD! Gotta love it... ;)

Not any more-
Jaguar and Land rover sold to TA TA for 2.3 Bagillion $$

Oh, did't know that, when did they sell it?

I think the bronco concept is so far from actually being sold that its not worth dreaming about.

Oh, did't know that, when did they sell it?

I think the bronco concept is so far from actually being sold that its not worth dreaming about.

they sold earlier in year mate,i get great joy telling people floating around in there xk's that they are now driving a tata lol,hopefully they will keep the land-rover lines running,as at least they make a profit,it the jaguar plant that looses millions every year,but then they do have a workforce that actually thinks it still builds real cars,when in reality they have drifted back to british leyland build quality.

Unibody isnt that bad of a plan Look at the Jeep Grand cherokee, and as for IFS and IRS lets not forget the H1. Unibody does mean No half shafts throught the frame. Superlift and explorer procomp wont let the explorer die. And as for "the end of the explorer" isnt that why WE are here. Its home mechanic that will keep the explorer alive. We will have a bad ass explorer if we make it one. It is on our shoulders with the next explorer. The lifted (photoshoped) X is bad ass. Lets make one! Somebody get me a 4th Gen and we will kill all comers. Im thinking lifted on 35-37's Air lockers front and rear and the ability to articulate like only a Hummer has in the past on a smaller body!!! Jeep what Jeep.:salute:

Unibody isnt that bad of a plan Look at the Jeep Grand cherokee, and as for IFS and IRS lets not forget the H1. Unibody does mean No half shafts throught the frame. Superlift and explorer procomp wont let the explorer die. And as for "the end of the explorer" isnt that why WE are here. Its home mechanic that will keep the explorer alive. We will have a bad ass explorer if we make it one. It is on our shoulders with the next explorer. The lifted (photoshoped) X is bad ass. Lets make one! Somebody get me a 4th Gen and we will kill all comers. Im thinking lifted on 35-37's Air lockers front and rear and the ability to articulate like only a Hummer has in the past on a smaller body!!! Jeep what Jeep.:salute:

The H1, seriously? That thing has about as much flex as a taurus. While IRS and IFS are probably the future that's a pretty bad example

So shoot me have you seen what a modded H1 can do. 4 wheel independent flex. That is the way of the future in off road. How about the Landcrusier. Either way I doubt that Ford would do another IRS they cost so much. But even if they do it would be left over parts from the 3rd gen however NO half shafts through the frame.

I'd run it...

http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/3420/medium/ConceptXLifted.jpg

I like it:biggthump I think Ford should send one our way and have us build it for SEMA:D

me too.

They never said It would be FWD

Did some more work to it.

I would have no problem wheelin' the windows out of that. :D :thumbsup:

But you need a better strap for the gas can on top. It looks like it fell over.

Now it looks pretty cool...

I would have no problem wheelin' the windows out of that. :D :thumbsup:
Save you some trouble... :)

But you need a better strap for the gas can on top. It looks like it fell over.

It's this kind. :p:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:C_HztkcUXcTjlM:http://www.kassirco.com/assets/Image/Product/detailsbig/CA029_1.jpg

Now it looks like a box of Frankenberry cereal...

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/sconnoisseur_2004_1061432

Nice!

Maybe a diesel electric hybrid drivetrain. No more broken driveshafts! Hey, if we're dreaming, might as well dream big.

If they made it the way Colin depicted it though, I'd sure consider it.

hmm make it a 2 door and id buy it :D

From Westin, Honda, 3 years ago...

^^I'm confused. The Ridgeline is in production...

I'm just saying it's smooth and I'd drive a Honda before that concept thing... Ford isn't going to release that, that's just for show... the actual Ex will look nice.

The Ridgeline is ugly.

They could always use the AWD Ford Aerostar platform too.

they sold earlier in year mate,i get great joy telling people floating around in there xk's that they are now driving a tata lol,hopefully they will keep the land-rover lines running,as at least they make a profit,it the jaguar plant that looses millions every year,but then they do have a workforce that actually thinks it still builds real cars,when in reality they have drifted back to british leyland build quality.

Looks like they only own Volvo, Mazda, Lincoln and Mercury now.

Here check it out >>> OFFICIAL FORD MOTOR COMPANY WEB SITE (http://www.ford.com/)

I really think we need to get a petition signed by as many people as possible and start emailing Ford in hopes of stopping this next version of the Explorer. You might as well call it the new FLEX MINI. I need this truck to be on a full frame so I can tow my trailer. Ford says we will still offer the big trucks. Yes I would like one but not when diesel is $5 per gallon and gas is $4.50. What does everyone think?

Looks like they only own Volvo, Mazda, Lincoln and Mercury now.

Here check it out >>> OFFICIAL FORD MOTOR COMPANY WEB SITE (http://www.ford.com/)

Ford sold Land Rover and Jaquar to Tata Motors of India back in December for $2.3 billion. The deal was finalized in March. It's speculated Ford sold them to concentrate management and money on the current North American car crisis. Land Rover became profitable recently, earning $1.5 billion last year. Jaquar remains unprofitable, and cost Ford $10 billion during the 18 years they had it. Ford will continue providing engines, stampings and other components to Jaquar.

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48821&stc=1&d=1213652730

Build it, and they will come:D It sure would be nice to see that at SEMA:D

I really think we need to get a petition signed by as many people as possible and start emailing Ford in hopes of stopping this next version of the Explorer. You might as well call it the new FLEX MINI. I need this truck to be on a full frame so I can tow my trailer. Ford says we will still offer the big trucks. Yes I would like one but not when diesel is $5 per gallon and gas is $4.50. What does everyone think?

How heavy is your trailer? The new Explorer should still be able to tow 3500 lbs, maybe more with the bigger engine and appropriate gearing.

I really don't think that Ford would entertain a petition drive. The design is probably pretty far along and no doubt Ford feels that it is responding to gov't pressure and consumer demand for better fuel economy and car-like handling. With the price of fuel, pressure from Congress, and both presidential candidates saying that Americans need to drive smaller cars, it will be a miracle if the Explorer survives at all.:(

It seems to me that the Flex is going to be the family mover (it even looks like a school bus), the Taurus X is going away, if the Explorer doesn't make it, it will be replaced by the Escape. I suspect that the new Explorer will replace the Taurus X. I just hope it will retain a reasonable amount of Sport and Utility and not become like most other SUV's, which are just AWD hatchback cars.

Bob

ill sign it!!

I would buy one, but not until my 92 is worn out or broken beyond repair.
I hope that it will be a little smaller than the current Ex, more like the size of the 1st generation.

Two things disturb me: (1) The high belt line and small windows will make it harder to see what's around you, unless you get a reverse camera.

(2) Its supposed to be 3 inches lower. Maybe that's overall height, but if its suspension height, then the ground clearance will be only 5 inches, too low for even mild off-pavement use and snow.

Does anyone know if it will still have a 2-speed transfer case?

Bob

I kind of like that Explorer design looks tough.

I'd like to mention that petitions have stopped for numerous times. 2 that I can think of off the top of my head are the lawsuits against anyone using ford's name or nameplates. like esplorerforum.com would have to change it's name to 4x4forum.com and not advertise anything to do with explorers. the 2nd is when they wanted to make the mustang a front wheel drive, petitions, calls, and letters were sent in and they left the mustang pretty much as is for the 87-93 model years. the front wheel drive car that was to be named mustang was named probe. and the mustang lived on.

HOLY OMG that thing is terrible !!!!!!!!!!!!!! as someone said above " it looks like a scion " i love the 3rd gen, and even the 4th gen arent that bad... but that vehicle is horrible

Well, its only a concept. We'll have to wait and see. With the price of fuel and the political and economic pressure for small cars, it will be nice if the Explorer survives at all, under any form. The Taurus X is being discontinued, so perhaps the new Explorer will really look more like a lifted Taurus X.

Bob

Well, its only a concept. We'll have to wait and see. With the price of fuel and the political and economic pressure for small cars, it will be nice if the Explorer survives at all, under any form. The Taurus X is being discontinued, so perhaps the new Explorer will really look more like a lifted Taurus X.

Bob

I would rather it not survive than become that.

i would rather it not survive than become that.

x2

Yeah, with all the crossovers in Ford's lineup now, I was hoping that the Explorer would go back to its truck roots and be a little smaller like the 1st generation Explorer.

Bob

I'm having visions of a not so far future, walking on the sidewalk.. looking at cars and trucks that look like that.. very quiet.. a peaceful generator sound from under the hood... but someone comes driving a fuel injected vehicle and it's "loud" and everyone just stares at it.. some cover their noses from the smell of exhaust.... -_-'' *Sigh*


Then I would be the guy pulling up in the 4 banger, carbed ranger with a cherry bomb welded to the header dumped under the seats. lol

Those of us who truly explore and participate in off highway "Serious Explorations" have become the minority. These days a "Serious Exploration" has become a safe trip to Starbucks and back.:thumbdwn:

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! That is the funniest thing I have read tonight!:thumbsup::D

These pictures came from autoblog. The full article can be found here http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/23/spy-shots-next-gen-unibody-ford-explorer-mules-caught/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/10/ford.mule8.kgp.ed.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/10/ford.mule1.kgp.ed.jpg

Wow...

That looks like a vehicle which lost it's purpose in life:( Not a great looking truck, not a great looking SUV, nor a great looking station wagon. Hate to say it, but it's bordering on fugly...

Just shoot me now.

That is not what the Explorer will look like. It is just a test mule that is supposed to look wierd. Most of the bodywork is from current vehicles, modified to fit on the new platform.

I wish I could show you guys what it really looks like.:(

That is not what the Explorer will look like. It is just a test mule that is supposed to look wierd. Most of the bodywork is from current vehicles, modified to fit on the new platform.

I wish I could show you guys what it really looks like.:(

Please tell us it looks better than that ...thing...

its a minivan!!!

Is it on the same chassis as the Ford Edge or the Taurus wagon?

That pos looks like a lumpy version of the Ford Flex. :thumbdwn:
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/D/k/ny_08_ford_flex.jpg

Look closely-
those are mock up headlights, bumpers and grill

the real thing will be a bit different I would bet.

Still too big-and what is with the hump in the rear. Is that how we engineer in rear seat headroom? Seriously?

I see it now. The edges of the gate is all taped up. And it looks like a sloppy spliced together seem there in front of the rear window.

Shoot me anyway, whatever it's going to be it's still going to be an abomination and insult to the Explorer name.

Yeah, it looks like a lifted Taurus X, which is probably what it will be since the T-X is being discontinued. I hope Ford does better than that. You won't find me driving an Edge or a Flex, and I'd still like to buy American in the future.

Guess I'll have to keep my 92 Ex "forever". (What's that in dog years?)

Bob

lol is there a projected time for this thing?? ^^ I dont know the sides are okay, not anything to get excited about. But looks like i'll be going to toyota next time for my truck/ or car. 4RUNNER / or avalon,, The explorer is the only ford i loved/ and we'll that's just ruined the taste for the truck.. Guessing i'm not alone on this thought.

Who cares the explorer died after the 2nd generation ended. The 3rd gens look ok, but I can't stand to drive one. Every time I have to drive my mom's I want to throw up

3rd gens look fantastic! Not a good idea to mention your mom... Back to the subject of the new Ex, it's not an Ex anymore. :(

Who cares the explorer died after the 2nd generation ended. The 3rd gens look ok, but I can't stand to drive one. Every time I have to drive my mom's I want to throw up

Why so down on the 3rd gens?

3rd gens look fantastic! Not a good idea to mention your mom... Back to the subject of the new Ex, it's not an Ex anymore. :(

what's wrong with mentioning my mom?

Why so down on the 3rd gens?

I don't like the seats, I haven't ever found a comfortable seating position, but that might be from lack of seat time in one. I feel disconnected from the road in it. I'm sure an older person would like it just floating down the road, and put up with the body roll since they usually don't corner to fast anyway. And at least with the v6 it doesn't have any power, the motors rpm's go to the moon and it doesn't feel like the ex is going anywhere. But my mom likes it and that's all that really matters in the end since she's the one that has to drive it.

To each their own. I'm quite happy with both my V8 3rd gen and my wifes V6 3rd gen. Both more comfortable, better handling and more powerfull than my 2nd gen V6 Sport.

I also see in your sig that you have a not-so-stock 5.0. Maybe thats why your Mom's V6 feels under powered.

And yes, the concept Ex is not a nice idea for a 5th gen

To each their own. I'm quite happy with both my V8 3rd gen and my wifes V6 3rd gen. Both more comfortable, better handling and more powerfull than my 2nd gen V6 Sport.

I also see in your sig that you have a not-so-stock 5.0. Maybe thats why your Mom's V6 feels under powered.

And yes, the concept Ex is not a nice idea for a 5th gen

Yeah I love the torque of my v8, and I like the way mine handles a lot better, it's not the smoothest ride but I can slam it around a corner and you can hardly detect any body roll at all:D

People make "yo mama" jokes, and then the thread gets funky... It's okay to mention your mom, of course! They are the best! :)

how the hell do you get 275 HP and 280 TQ out of a turbo 2 liter??!?

The explorer might as well be dead:(
They killed it in 02 anyways...

Yeah thats probably the UGLIEST thing I have ever seen. The headlights don't even look like they would be street legal. I hate unibody vehicles and I hate how all the new "Trucks" and "Suv's" look like they came from Mars.:splat:

Y?

I'm sure that the front end and headlights are concepts that will not make it to production. The grille looks too much like the Honda Pilot and the headlamps could never be street legal, unless they use some exotic and expensive reflectors inside them to provide a properly shaped beam.

I'll just be happy if something resembling "our kind of SUV" survives the current economic and political climate.

The 2009 Explorer looks nice, but I have a feeling that its the last hurrah for the Ex.

Bob

i know this thread is pretty much dead.. but i just saw the 'spy shots' on page 9. that looks like a freestyle with a flex front end. i think that is one of the shots of the pre-production flex.. which was originally spose to be called the explorer america or the fairlane concept. right?

Dear Ford,
Please don't waist the Explorer name on another crossover.:(

Dear Ford,
Please don't waist the Explorer name on another crossover.:(

You're 7 years too late, my friend.

You're 7 years too late, my friend.

So Froader, does that mean that i dont own an Explorer?:exp:

I mean correct me if im wrong but i do have a frame, there fore my vehical of choice cannot be a crossover right?

I simply feel the definition of crossover needs to be explained here.

So Froader, does that mean that i dont own an Explorer?:exp:

I mean correct me if im wrong but i do have a frame, there fore my vehical of choice cannot be a crossover right?

I simply feel the definition of crossover needs to be explained here.
Just a guess here Essex, but if the badge on your vehicle says Explorer, then you probably have an Explorer. :dunno:
Just like if Ford does in fact produce this vehicle and puts the Explorer badge on it, then it's going to be an Explorer.

The term crossover was a marketing term which meant to have an SUV with a "car-like" ride. A frame doesn't mean that it isn't a crossover. Sure, most of them now are unibodies, but the last 3rd gen Explorer (02+) I was in, rode like a car as well as having an abundance© of "car-like" features.

CUVs typically are designed for only light off-road capability, if at all.
That's my definition of a 3rd gen Explorer.

newer crossovers look off road capable.. until you leave the mall parking lot. thats whats sad about the present offerings of 4wds from manufacturers. a FWD based AWD system is NOT 4wd, and a car with a taller cabin and all season radials is NOT a truck.

i wonder if anyone has SAS'd an Escape? yeah, joke.

I laugh at the people who own vehicals such as the honda ridgeline, its simply a tall minivan with a truck like bed.

A Ridgeline beat an H3 and a FJ Cruiser in the stock mini class of the Baja 1000.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/honda-ridgeline.html

LOL ok, point proven, the honda ridgeline is actually awesome

the ridgeline was developed jointly by GM and Honda. the mini 'lanche is what we call it. the general has his hands in a lot of things.

^^ but how many of you would be willing to throw down that much money for a Ridgeline. We all will eventually like the new style of the explorers, but might take some, uhm time to ,,,,,, grow on us,,,,,,,,,, Right??????

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-explorer-2011.html

Heres the latest news ive found on the 2011 "Explorer".

The Subaru revolution has infected ford-who's next. btw, has anyone seen that new Honda Ridgeline with 4 wheel independent suspension? Why would you want that on a pickup?

UMMMM has anybody here ever looked under the original humvee it has 4 wheel independent suspension HELLO :notworthy all hail the ultimate 4wheel drive:notworthy its only major downfall is it is to damn friggin big

but the hummers 4wheel independant suspension was designed with truck use in mind, not car like handling. a major difference.

Hummers are lame.

2011 Explorer
That looks like a cross between the Flex and the Freestyle. :thumbdwn:

Hummers are lame.


That looks like a cross between the Flex and the Freestyle. :thumbdwn:

Roger that!
:can:

ford has enough crossovers.. CUVs are gonna be the death of ford.

Well considering that 99% of car buyers seem somehow convinced that Toyota still offers vehicles that are un-killable, Ford has to do all it can to design vehicles that these people will "drive".

toyota has one thing on ford.. they still make midsized trucks and suvs. the 4runner/FJ/tacoma platform is way better than any unibody monstrosity that ford could produce and call a 4wd.

I never thought it would come to this.:(

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q19/silvermach2002/Untitled-1-1.jpg

It does have a class III hitch.:rolleyes:

the picture isnt working

The Subaru revolution has infected ford-who's next. btw, has anyone seen that new Honda Ridgline with 4 wheel independent suspension? Why would you want that on a pickup?

What is the Subaru Revolution? Actually, I like the Forester, but the only people I see driving them around here are older retired couples. Likewise, the Outback, which I don't particularly care for, is mostly driven by older folks or families with small children. Odd, since Subaru seems to be advertising them for rugged outdoors-type people.

Bob

The Subaru revolution has infected ford-who's next. btw, has anyone seen that new Honda Ridgline with 4 wheel independent suspension? Why would you want that on a pickup?

What is the Subaru Revolution? Actually, I like the Forester, but the only people I see driving them around here are older retired couples. Likewise, the Outback, which I don't particularly care for, is mostly driven by older folks or families with small children. Odd, since Subaru seems to be advertising them for rugged outdoors-type people.

Bob

but the hummers 4wheel independent suspension was designed with truck use in mind, not car like handling. a major difference.

Last year I had a chance to drive several factory-new military HMMWV's, though only in the company parking lot. I did hit a pretty big pothole, though! They are OK for what they do. There is not a lot of interior room and not a lot of room in the bed. The suspension seemed odd to me. When stopping, even from low speed the suspension would rock like a rocking horse. The frame and drivetrain are good and heavy, but the body is just aluminum panels held together with bolts and pop-rivets. Definitely never designed as a combat vehicle.

The 12000 lb Warn winch was cool, as were the radios with dual whip antennas, but I wouldn't trade my 1st gen Explorer for one.

hmmmmmmm, anyone else see alil edge in the mix also, w/ a chunk of the flex as well, Someone needs to do a photo shop,

That thing pictured on the previous page is downright hideous. It appears they kinda pieced together a body using existing vehicle parts, so hopefully it wont actually look like that...but if it resembled that at all, i'd actually prefer the concept that was referenced 12 pages ago.

crossovers are popular but ford has too many. if the explorer name is gonna be used, it should be used on a truck platform. ford is dumb, instead of making an affordable mid-sized true 4wd vehicle that lots of people would buy they are scrapping them all and building station wagons. a small 4wd suv would sell, my mom frequently asks me if theres anything ford makes new thats comparable in size to a wrangler or an old bronco II that could withstand use on a rural mail route, and i have to say no.

the escape has a 4x4 version. Though I don't know how sturdy it is. Might be good for a mail route.

The blame doesn't rest on ford. They do what they have to to survive, problem is, according to recent events, over half the country is either stupid, selfish, or gullible. So to survive, ford has to make cars for stupid people too.

I like the ex concept, as a street mobile, the unibody is , I beleive, an over complication of a simple machine, that is, a box on wheels. But again, this is only a concept vehicle, notice the big ass green compass on the dash? No way that's making it into a production run, the afore mentioned stupid people can't even use a compass much less want a big green one taking up room in there dash. Not to mention the crazy seat slider bar thingamajig, this is simply an example of what ford can make if the EPA and federal government LEFT THEM ALONE.

The explorer was never ment to be an ass kicking off road monster when it was designed last century, it was a family hauler and grocery getter for the middle class with 4x4 capability for those scary snowy nights too and from the pharmacy to get the nyquil for little jimmy with a cold.

The fact that they can be such ass kicking off road monsters is an indication if the intelegence of the designers.

The cold truth is that us off road guys are a niche market, I live in oklahoma, one of the redest states in the union, people here now how to have fun in...hmmm.... Unsofisticated ways, yet I still only see one or two trucks built for off road a day.

Take places like manhattan for example, the only park they have that's big enough to have fun in with a 4x4 there not aloud to drive through! They could care less about big tires and low range, but ford still has to sell cars there, so they have to round off there designs.

That being said. I do hope that whatever the explorer DOES look like it will be more rugged and angled than the last few examples, but isn't it much more fun to pick up a 10-15 year old first or second gen for a couple grand and beat the heck out of it? Than to buy some new shiny thing for 35k and be worried about mussing the paint?

Anyway. Just my thoughts.

crossovers are popular but ford has too many. if the explorer name is gonna be used, it should be used on a truck platform. ford is dumb, instead of making an affordable mid-sized true 4wd vehicle that lots of people would buy they are scrapping them all and building station wagons. a small 4wd suv would sell, my mom frequently asks me if theres anything ford makes new thats comparable in size to a wrangler or an old bronco II that could withstand use on a rural mail route, and i have to say no.


I must say,I agree with you on that.there needs to be more trucks like that out on the road.it bummed me in '04 when chevy/suzuki discontinued the tracker/vitara and when kia re-did the sportage.it reallly annoys me :mad:

the escape has a 4x4 version. Though I don't know how sturdy it is. Might be good for a mail route.

The blame doesn't rest on ford. They do what they have to to survive, problem is, according to recent events, over half the country is either stupid, selfish, or gullible. So to survive, ford has to make cars for stupid people too.

I like the ex concept, as a street mobile, the unibody is , I beleive, an over complication of a simple machine, that is, a box on wheels. But again, this is only a concept vehicle, notice the big ass green compass on the dash? No way that's making it into a production run, the afore mentioned stupid people can't even use a compass much less want a big green one taking up room in there dash. Not to mention the crazy seat slider bar thingamajig, this is simply an example of what ford can make if the EPA and federal government LEFT THEM ALONE.

The explorer was never ment to be an ass kicking off road monster when it was designed last century, it was a family hauler and grocery getter for the middle class with 4x4 capability for those scary snowy nights too and from the pharmacy to get the nyquil for little jimmy with a cold.

The fact that they can be such ass kicking off road monsters is an indication if the intelegence of the designers.

The cold truth is that us off road guys are a niche market, I live in oklahoma, one of the redest states in the union, people here now how to have fun in...hmmm.... Unsofisticated ways, yet I still only see one or two trucks built for off road a day.

Take places like manhattan for example, the only park they have that's big enough to have fun in with a 4x4 there not aloud to drive through! They could care less about big tires and low range, but ford still has to sell cars there, so they have to round off there designs.

That being said. I do hope that whatever the explorer DOES look like it will be more rugged and angled than the last few examples, but isn't it much more fun to pick up a 10-15 year old first or second gen for a couple grand and beat the heck out of it? Than to buy some new shiny thing for 35k and be worried about mussing the paint?

Anyway. Just my thoughts.

I agree. The Escape would be fine for a rural mail route, just get the 2009 or one with a manual trans. The 4-speed automatics in the Escapes are weak and have a poor reliability record.

The original Explorer design borrowed a lot of features from the Ranger and Bronco II. I always liked the B II, but though the cargo space was inadequate. Then the Explorer came along... Sure, the Taurus wagon could haul the same amount of cargo, but when I bought my Ex, the Taurus styling was awful with everything oval. Besides the Ex is all-weather and all-road, and off-road capable!

Bob

Fail

that (excuse my french) is ####1ng discusting!

doesnt resemble an explorer to the least bit, who the ##### IS GONNA LIFT THAT THING AND TAKE IT MUDDIN'????? They'd might as well get a license plate:


"HOMO"

:splat:what tha:censored: they should replace tha mini van with this. then do over the ranger make it an suv and offer it with a explorer pkg.:chug::troops:

http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/content/february2009/explorer-future-2.jpg&w=900

I kinda like it--

Well i have a name ford it ( ford leaveright ) leave it right where it is.

Shit still sucks....sorry for the language....seriously though the modeling on a ford bronco 95' hell even a 80's is so much prettier to me than something like that....what about the good ol' boys...wheres are dream machine???

If they produce it....I don't want it to be badged as an Explorer....may the name die with dignity....

I just got some news on what the explorer is going to look like. To ease your minds a bit, it's not going to look like that Ford Taurus X and Flex thing.

It will look more like that Explorer America that this thread begins with. So it's not totally dead, but it will be uni-body like the Taurus X. It will also come standard with a 4 cylinder engine that apparently, I here, will perform like the V8. I believe it will be one of the EcoBoost engines. It will still be able to go offroad, but obviously not perform as well as the current and previous years do offroad.

The main reason for this is the bill made and passed during George Bush's presidency in 2007 where the fuel economy for vehicles needs to improve by 40% within the next few years. So, that explains the uni-body construction, sadly. Atleast we can say it will still look like an SUV, if an SUV can be uni-body, and not like a lifted station wagon, like that Taurus X/ Flex.

I have to say, it dosen't look terrible. I like the glass roof, but I don't like the minivan type rear doors. Hopefully, they will tone down the design. It looks a little too futuristic to be meant for 2011.

-Marc

the eco boost is a 3.5l v6 direct port injection twin turbo just fyi. pushes like 340 hp to the wheels and 400 to the crank

well, they might do something similar for a 4 cylinder. Maybe not ecoboost, but some fuel efficient, yet powerful engine for a small 4 cyl.

-Marc

Marc is right- from actual Rotunda design drawings and clay model, the New Ex looks nothing like the grafted Flex-TaurX.

Seth is right- as many enthusiasts are on the forum- it's a niche. For every Ex they may sell that would get lifted and go muddin' there will be 15 sold that will never leave the pavement unless it's gravel on a little league parking lot. Ford will build for the mass market.

Ford does not make a minivan, so that's not an option, they have to fill that utility slot as well as take care of the 4x4 market.

IMHO, until shortly before actual media release, stop thinking that the vehicles you see testing are what will actually be produced and give Ford a shot. Relax a little :)

There is going to be a 4 cylinder ecoboost as well, it's always been in the plans. The v6 is just out first.

I agree with Joe. I hope I didn't sound to worried on how it looks, I thought I was being more informative.

I have found out after many years of researching concept cars is that they change either dramatically or a little from what it originally looked on the drawing board. That's why they call it a "concept" anyway. I guarantee the final design that we'll see on the roads for 2011 will be more refined and maybe well liked. Like I said, it is still to futuristic to be meant for the roads less than a year from now.

-Marc

I could see them doing something like that. The whole retro thing worked so lets try making them futuristic.

I personally cannot wait for the '11 to be in production...It will be just in time to trade in my 03. Hopefully they finally get it right..the explorer is a dying breed right now and it needs freshened up...A LOT. I think the unibody design is a great step in the right direction. Ford must be doing something right. Out of the big 3 they didn't need Gov't help. The Fusion & Edge has been a huge hit, and so has the escape. From the looks of the mule with the production front end it looks as though the explorer will remain looking beefy. I just think everyone should open their minds and give it a shot. Wait until it comes out after a yr then knock it down. Afterall a 4cyl engine that will put out as much power as a v8 is pretty sick, and still get 26mpg!? & still have true 4x4!! I have a feeling this is going to set the bar for what the rest of the industry needs to do..at least i hope! :)

Bulls**t

(not in response to anyone here, but to Ford for not finding a way to meet eco standards and still make an off road vehicle.)

I would really like to see some actual spy pics of this. I really doubt the minivan doors are going to make it to production, those are too associated with minivans and many people went to an SUV because they dont want a minivan. If its as good as Im hoping for Ill definatly purchase a 2012 (not making the mistake of buying the first year of a new model again)

don't know if that makes much of a difference..i have a 2nd yr of a new generation (03) and have had many more problems then some of those of the first yr.

I personally cannot wait for the '11 to be in production...It will be just in time to trade in my 03. Hopefully they finally get it right..the explorer is a dying breed right now and it needs freshened up...A LOT. I think the unibody design is a great step in the right direction. Ford must be doing something right. Out of the big 3 they didn't need Gov't help. The Fusion & Edge has been a huge hit, and so has the escape. From the looks of the mule with the production front end it looks as though the explorer will remain looking beefy. I just think everyone should open their minds and give it a shot. Wait until it comes out after a yr then knock it down. Afterall a 4cyl engine that will put out as much power as a v8 is pretty sick, and still get 26mpg!? & still have true 4x4!! I have a feeling this is going to set the bar for what the rest of the industry needs to do..at least i hope! :)

Yes, let's be optimistic. At least Ford has a design that addresses the reality of the market. We will find a way to mod it, if we want. I don't expect there will be a sporty manual transmission available, which has been gone from the Explorer design for years. I do hope, however, that there will still be a 2-speed T-case for mud and snow and that the drivetrain will be beefier than the passenger car drivetrain in the Taurus X. I don't offroad except for dirt and gravel, but my Ex has gotten me home through some pretty scary snow and flooding.

In 2012 my Explorer will be 20 years old so it may be time for a new one, so I hope that the new Explorer will fill the bill.

Bob

I still am going to stand behind the new explorer. I think it looks great and should be fun to drive.

Im not saying that it would be good for off road but hey thats why its our job to mod out trucks

I personally dont like the unibody design. I was teh full truck feel in an SUV. Im looking forward to the power...but still..a 4cyl in an explorer..just doesnt seem right.

disgrace to the " SUV / Light Truck " class...


ford is going to make a lifted scion/kia thing...

I like it. Including the sliding doors that will prevent accidental openings into other peoples cars. I'm tired of my cars getting dinged up by other people's car doors. I usually park far away but sometimes I'm forced to park among those who don't care. All SUV's should be like that! I'm sure that the aftermarket will flood with accessories to build nice personalized versions, but I must admit that I would've preferred a full frame.

If this is all due to the CAFE regulations, then blame the government, not Ford. It's quite possible the secondary option would've been no Explorer at all. Then we'd all be stuck driving Escapes!! lol.........

haha minivan doors and a 4 cylinder. Thats definitly no longer an SUV.

How about putting Lambo doors? Then the doors wouldnt get dinged :-p

I like it. Including the sliding doors that will prevent accidental openings into other peoples cars. I'm tired of my cars getting dinged up by other people's car doors. I usually park far away but sometimes I'm forced to park among those who don't care. All SUV's should be like that! I'm sure that the aftermarket will flood with accessories to build nice personalized versions, but I must admit that I would've preferred a full frame.

If this is all due to the CAFE regulations, then blame the government, not Ford. It's quite possible the secondary option would've been no Explorer at all. Then we'd all be stuck driving Escapes!! lol.........

The production model isnt going to have sliding doors.

You know, if they want to change the platform, that's fine and dandy, and understandable too. However, I think they need to rename it. They're just using brand identity to push a different product, and well, I think it does the Explorer name a disservice.

You know, if they want to change the platform, that's fine and dandy, and understandable too. However, I think they need to rename it. They're just using brand identity to push a different product, and well, I think it does the Explorer name a disservice.

Agreed completely.

New update spy pics;)

http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/content/september2009/explorer-1.jpg&w=900


More photos here!;)

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-explorer-2011.html

I am actually really interested in this. I like the body style, no its not the same vehicle by any means but it still is an suv, and therefore would still fufill the needs for a family trip on a vacation or the occasional trip to Lowe's or the turd store (homedepot). No this isn't an offroader but still its ok, seems to be a bit lower than the Honda Pilot though. I wonder what engine choices we will have?

P.S. Not liking the mirrors...:thumbdwn:

I am actually really interested in this. I like the body style, no its not the same vehicle by any means but it still is an suv, and therefore would still fufill the needs for a family trip on a vacation or the occasional trip to Lowe's or the turd store (homedepot). No this isn't an offroader but still its ok, seems to be a bit lower than the Honda Pilot though. I wonder what engine choices we will have?

P.S. Not liking the mirrors...:thumbdwn:

Agreed with the mirrors.

I think the front kinda looks like the current expedition, only a lot lower. So thre offering a tubbo 4 cyl pushing 270hp and a twin turbo v6 pushing 350hp? Is that still the plan?

That's legit too- that's at Oakwood Blvd and Southfield by the Dearborn Federal Credit Union... :)

What happened to the Taurus X back end and the Flex front? Ha ha! Suckers... :D (sorry, had to)

Yep, that's right around the corner from where I work.

What happened to the Taurus X back end and the Flex front? Ha ha! Suckers... :D (sorry, had to)

MULE;) You don't really want that combo back do you?:fart:

MULE;) You don't really want that combo back do you?:fart:

Of course it was a mule. My jab above was for everyone who was pissing themselves because they thought new Ex was going to have a Flex front and a Taurus X rump. ;)

Everyone who doesn't trust Ford to build a nice looking Ex needs to have their monitors taken away until release of actual spy photos. :D

Strange, my monitor shows the actual pics of the new Explorer. Interior and exterior.

Strange, my monitor shows the actual pics of the new Explorer. Interior and exterior.

Seriously?

Those headlights (from what I can see) remind me of the pathfinder.

Strange, my monitor shows the actual pics of the new Explorer. Interior and exterior.

I've seen said pics in a certain Rotunda office... ;)

And yes, I think most everyone will like it. :thumbsup:

that "thing" looks looks like a freakin minivan!! :crazy: thats just sad. :frustrate

I find the concept Explorer America intriguing. I think the lines are fantastic, clean and tight. The thought of a unibody isn't the end of the world remember the Jeep Cherekee of the 80's & 90's was unibody and quite trailable.

I understand that this will be more of a front drive car platform but if they do it right it can be a winner. Look at the Jeep Patriot Limited, 4x4 front drive platform but the crawl gear is a winner. Some articles on the web show that thing going in some nasty places. Also it has some upgrade potential.
I wouldn't be at all upset if Ford did the same but better.

it remind me of a mini van what a shame

Interior pics:

http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/content/september2009/ford-explorer-119-3.jpg&w=900

http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/content/september2009/ford-explorer-119-4.jpg&w=900

more camo pics and an engine shot:http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=22461&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2 Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fseptember2009%2Fford-explorer-119-4.jpg

Who designed the steering wheel, Activision?

Who designed the steering wheel, Activision?

looks like the steering wheel in teh new camrys..haha

you know im starting to think all the extra bits such as the weird steering wheel, the funky mirrors, the fact that it appears the radio is something out of a James Bond movie with all those buttons... of course i am totaly for the gigantic red button on the dash!!:p:

you know im starting to think all the extra bits such as the weird steering wheel, the funky mirrors, the fact that it appears the radio is something out of a James Bond movie with all those buttons... of course i am totaly for the gigantic red button on the dash!!:p:


LOL that's the self-destruct button they put in it that that X will push for itself when it realizes its a minivan.

well at least ford got something right:roll:

LOL that's the self-destruct button they put in it that that X will push for itself when it realizes its a minivan.


Naw... stole that idea from Staples.

If it worked... would transform back to a Sec-Gen.

Naw... stole that idea from Staples.

If it worked... would transform back to a Sec-Gen.

Or transform to a straight axle front and rear on 35's. That would be better I think :p:

Will Ford keep the 2-speed transfer case? Will it be available with manual transmission? Or, will Ford just use the Taurus-X drivetrain?

Bob

I really doubt there will be a manual trans, they havent offered one since 2002 and even then it was only on xls.

Too bad. A manual trans Ex with good shocks and tires is actually fun to drive.

Guess manual transmissions will soon be extinct. I think I'm turning into my grandfather!

Bob

You know, I am kinda digging the interior...Granted the steering wheel looks like its a playstation controller, but hell, its different from the corp parts bin and the interior looks very land rover-ish. And while I would assume that navigation would be an option, even more so with Sync, that screen already looks a tad bit small for such purpose. When will this be revealed, detroit?

It looks like the GMC Terrain.

Ugly.

At least call it something else, but not an Explorer.

Maybe they'll offer one of these in the 2011 :p:

http://us.tnpv.net/2009/FRD200912/FRD2009122782825_PV.jpg

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=31647

2011 MUSTANG GT POWERTRAIN USES TI-VCT TO MAKE 400-PLUS HP, DELIVER UNSURPASSED FUEL ECONOMY

* Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Ti-VCT) technology is a key element in helping the new 5.0-liter V-8 Mustang GT deliver class-leading performance and fuel efficiency
* Variable camshaft timing in the Mustang GT 5.0-liter uses camshaft torque energy actuation, with assistance from pressurized oil, resulting in a broad torque curve
* Camshaft torque will advance or retard camshaft timing based on internal routing, via one-way valves, resulting in more immediate response across a wide range of engine speeds

DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 28, 2009 – Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Ti-VCT) will allow drivers of the 2011 Mustang GT to balance high performance and fuel economy.

“Ti-VCT is a win-win-win technology,” said Barb Samardzich, vice president, global powertrain development. “It helps our new range of engines to deliver high performance with unsurpassed projected highway fuel economy of 25 miles per gallon and reduced emissions.”

Ti-VCT provides extremely precise variable – yet independent – control of timing for intake and exhaust valves. Drivers of the 2011 Mustang GT will notice abundant torque and class-leading fuel economy. An additional benefit of Ti-VCT is a reduction of emissions, especially in situations when the throttle is partially open.

Independent adjustment of intake and exhaust valve timing allows maximum fuel economy at part-throttle, while delivering optimized power in full-throttle situations. An added benefit is improved drivability and responsiveness across the torque curve.

How Ti-VCT works
The new 5.0-liter V-8 in the 2011 Mustang GT is a double-overhead-camshaft configuration that employs two camshafts per cylinder bank – one camshaft to operate the intake valves and one camshaft to operate the exhaust valves. Ti-VCT rotates the camshafts to advance or retard the cam timing, based on several measures including throttle opening.

An element unique to the Mustang GT 5.0-liter V-8 application is that Ti-VCT is actuated by camshaft torque, with assistance from pressurized oil. Using camshaft torque energy provides faster throttle response and maximizes use of existing energy, to aid fuel economy. Camshaft torque energy Ti-VCT actuation is a Ford innovation, introduced first on the 3.0-liter V-6.

Working like a ratchet, the one-way valves allow precise timing of camshaft events, continually optimizing timing to provide maximum thrust or fuel economy, based on driver input.

“Ti-VCT technology will continue to proliferate across the Ford powertrain portfolio,” said Samardzich. “By 2013, you can expect to see this advancement available on 90 percent of our nameplates.”

^Not a chance. Not even Ecoboost. 3.5, or 2.0 turbo. :(

So what can be done to make "Ford come back kid" Mr. Alan Mulally understand that we don't need another Taurus X or Flex. If Ford needs to expand the Flex look a like line-up than better add a car in Mercury or in a Lincoln format. Why ruin a genuine purposeful SUV into nothing-ness. Ford should make Explorer better to be class leader more like VW Touareg or what a Ranger Rover or Toyota Parado can do.

Its the biggest let down by FoMoCo. The guys got it all wrong even after bringing back the excellent Taurus SHO. Just check this out the new Ford line-up

Ford Feista - FWD - Hatch/Sedan
Ford Focus - FWD - Hatch/Sedan
Ford Mustang - RWD - Coupe/Convertible
Ford Fusion -AWD - Sedan
Ford Taurus -AWD - Sedan
Ford Taurus X - AWD - CUV/XUV/Station Wagon
Ford Flex - AWD - CUV/XUV/Station Wagon
Ford Edge - AWD -CUV/XUV
Ford Escape - 4WD - (Ouch!) This will be the company's Flag bearer, though dont know for how long
Ford Explorer - AWD - CUV/XUV/Station Wagon
Ford Expedition - AWD - Big SUV

Please ammend at your will. Thanx

^Not a chance. Not even Ecoboost. 3.5, or 2.0 turbo. :(

Quoting myself. NOW, Truck Trend stated engines will be 3.7, and 3.5 Ecoboost! They may add 2.0 Ecoboost later. I don't think anyone knows for sure -- as I keep reading conflicting stories.

[QUOTE=alexk;2324045]Interior pics:

http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/content/september2009/ford-explorer-119-3.jpg&w=900
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Well, at least we know it will have the new MyFord Touch system...

What I myself don't understand is what is the difference between the new Edge and the new Explorer other than the Explorer being a little bigger. Both now are unibodies, and both are basically the same car. Why oh why ford are you producing two vehicles of the same basic size with two totaly different names?

^Explorer will have a third row seat, the edge does not.

You seem to have missed the point of my question so let me clairfy: I see both "cars" now and say why? Why is it that ford has now decided to produce two vehicles of basically identical stature. Is this the fate of the now current Expedition as well? are we going to see a full sized unibody vehicle the size of an Expedition? Why not just skip the Edge and make the new explorer more sporty and eliminate a vehicle all together?