I was driving up to school in buffalo. I stopped by cornell to visit a friend. it was snowing and maybe about 3 inches on the ground. maybe a little more. Roads werent plowed, but who needs plowed streets wtih an X. lol.. ME !~! My friend told me of this shortcut from cornell to buffalo rather on some small road, rather than going around to syracuse and then to buffalo. I took his advice and started my adventure. Im going about 30 behind this toyota 4runner on a 55. I knew he was capable of going a little faster, but just followed him for about 20 miles. I was getting impatient, being about 730pm, and having left my house at 7 am to go snowboarding and now on my way up to school. So i decided to pass him. Idiot that i was, didnt think i needed to put on 4 wd. Im accelerating to about 55 or 60, and the snow inbetween the oncoming traffic lane and my lane f*cked me over, i start fishtaling. Going about 20 mph faster then the 4runner, i slide towards him. My right passenger door slammed into the 4runners left rear edge. He spins out, and so do i. I slide sideways into a ditch on the left, and flipped sideways 2 and a half times, ending up upside down in the ditch. THe 4runner rolls over once, and ends upright in the ditch. My car looked fine surprisingly. Only the front and back bumpers gone. Front of the hood dented in a little, headlight and taillight lenses shattered, and right roof rack dented in a little and so my trunk doesnt fully open. No windows broke. THe 4runner looked worse, his front celing caved in about 6 inches. front windshield ad front windoes broke. Well im screwed now. but ill see what i can do to fix my X.

I would worry more about increased insurance, lawsuits, med. bills, etc....

Thats just me though....


Dave

yeh, i know.. gonna be a b*tch to settle all this. Just got off the phone with the collision shop. He said its not worth fixing the car up. suspension , frame damage, possible engine. what am i to do.. :hammer:

Originally posted by jssong
...what am i to do...

Give up your license...

I overreacted a bit before, I was just remembering the accident that totalled my 95 X, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE drive more safely....thats my PSA for the day...

ever heard the phrase "never dirve faster than conditions allow"? thats what the 4runner was doin. and now your SCREWED!!:shoot:

Well lets not rip his throat out all at once. Im sure he knows what he did was a dumb thing todo and now he's paying the price.

I'm with Nick..I'm sure he knows what he did was stupid. I know all of us at one point in our life have done something stupid as well, but gotten away with it. He just got the bad end of the stick. I'm sure our words are gonna hurt much less than what happens to his checkbook. However, if you haven't learned your lesson, then I join the others in sayin "moron."

Well I know that you already feel like a moron. I'm not going to say give up your license or hope you learned your lesson. I had a stupid accident once as well. The accident itself makes you feel like the stupidest person on earth. I don't think we need to be telling him that he was wrong. I'm glad to hear your ok. Hopefully your insurance and whatnot won't go up too much.

:nono:
There were 3" of snow on the ground and you sped up to 55 to pass someone? How old are you anyways? Ever heard of using common sense? :rolleyes:

All I can say is be glad it wasn't me you slid into.

I didn't mean to start an inquisition, as I am sure that you learned your lesson (albeit in a most difficult way).

I had a similar experience....I had been driving 55 through a snow storm on a two lane road on two inches of packed snow/ice. I then got to the freeway (four lane divided highway) and saw blacktop. I thought to myself all right, the road has been plowed/salted and started down the ramp and up the highway a little too quickly. Well I hit a patch of black ice and the rear end came out on me and 180'd and slid off the side. I was very lucky that there was no one around me and that the side was not a ditch or steep drop. I whacked a reflector poll cracked the fiberglass body molding under the rocker panel. I learned to accelerate a little slower when I think that the road is clear in conditions that could cause black ice, but I had no experiece to go on before that as I had never hit black ice before....

The point is live and learn, I hope that the other driver was ok. You can always replace the X.

On a funny side note to my story. A lady stopped to make sure that I was ok and offered to help push me out the 1.5 feet of snow I was in on the side of the road. Now this lady had to be about 5 feet tall and weigh about 100 pounds. I told it she didn't have to as I had the 4x4 to get me out, but she insisted and got behind the vehicle to help push. I feel bad that I got mud/dirt/water all over her clothes from the spinning wheels, but it is funny to think about now.

Dave

I know It's been said already , but dam . Driving like an ass is one thing when it's yourself or your own property thats involved . When you risk the lives of others is a totally different thing . Shame on you . Who cares about your X or probs ? What about the inocent drivers 4 runner and his new situation . :bounce:

for those that understand how stupid i feel, thanks, but for those that just keep saying how stupid i am.. what gives you the right to judge me for one mistake. if you've lived all your lives without making one mistake, then your either a lying *****, or one severly deprived person. i know i made a mistake. and you all can say im stupid, but im not some arrogant ******* that didnt claim responsibility. I knew what i did, and im ready to accept the consequences.

Sorry to hear about how that happened. I hope everyone was okay. It's a real shitty feeling when you make a bonehead move like that. Trust me I know. I know you realize what a huge mistake it was to try and pass the other guy so on't worry about the others who are giving you shit. I'm sure that they have never done anything wrong before. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jssong
for those that understand how stupid i feel, thanks, but for those that just keep saying how stupid i am.. what gives you the right to judge me for one mistake. if you've lived all your lives without making one mistake, then your either a lying *****, or one severly deprived person. i know i made a mistake. and you all can say im stupid, but im not some arrogant ******* that didnt claim responsibility. I knew what i did, and im ready to accept the consequences.


What did you expect posting on the LARGEST Explorer site in the world?

2001 has a point... But really? I've done stupid $hit in my life, but I think most of it, has been fairly controled... If ya wanna call me "deprived" the so be it.... But, I've seen alot... and sure, it's unfortunate for ya, but, I wouldn't have tried to go haulin past in 2x4...
Pete

Everyone at one time has done something stupid. Driving a vehicle takes responsibility; this isn't something to be taken lightly. What if they guy you hit was killed in the rollover due to your stupidity? No one would be telling quirky little stories or sympathizing with you now.

chop the top (a/b/c/d pillars) get a bone yard to salvage you a windshield "a" post frame and section it in, thenfind someone to fab you a full cage (from "a" post to "c or d"), then goto an army/navy surplus and buy canvas field tarping (20x30), and design your own removeable top, if you stencil the fabric, there are places that will cut and stitch it together for ya, you could have pretty neat and functional rag top x.

i know this sounds like a joke and it kinda is, but honestly i had a friend that did almost exactly what i just said with a international travelall he rolled.

might be an alternative :hammer:

Never go faster then conditions allow.. I couldn't agree more. one time I was out in east aurora doing donuts in the high school parking lot in my mom's subaru. I got her up to 55 mph. Then i realized that i won't be able to stop. Crashed into deep snow on the side of the parking lot. no damge though. :confused:

I live in NJ were we dont always get alot of snow and its fun (for me) to watch all the retards in their 4wd cars/trucks book down the roads then come up on them 5 minutes later where they either spun out and got stuck or they hit something... hard. I dont understand it I ALWAYS drive slow in the snow i learned that early on after owning a Bronco II which couldnt get out of its own way.

Wow that sucks looiks like those '96 EB's love to roll........ Rolled mine 8-9 times

I am sure, scratch that, I know I have done stupider, just got lucky I guess. Sorry to hear of your misfortune. Hope everything works out OK.

Sorry i gotta say! YOUR A DUMB A$$. Learn how to drive you could have killed someone cause you were in a hurry. Hope you learn for this one buddy!

Screw what happened to the vehicles! :rolleyes:

You never mentioned if the other passenger's in the Toyota where injured or not. :(

I pray to God everyone came out of this unfortunate ordeal unscathed! :eek: :eek:

Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean to be hateful, but it's :confused: like you that really get me:fire: when I gotta come outta the firehouse into the cold because some knuckle head is tryin' to hotrod on bad roads just because they gotta truck. Sorry just a pet peave. I'll still be there to cut you outta your truck no matter the weather or how dumb people get.

guess i should have mentioned everyone was fine. i know i might come as some reckless person, and maybe for a split second i made a bad choice, but everyone came out fine. no injuries, no deaths. The x is gone, but ive learned my lesson. Im gonna work my @ss off and try to get a new sport. So everyone that thinks im some @sshole. what do you want me to say? the past is past and im moving on. but can u get off my back about my mistakes?

Its a hell of a hard way to learn a lesson but sounds like you are a little wiser now.;)

Not one single person has mentioned driver education.

Better driver education would stop most accidents like this one.

Another thing, it's funny to me how Americans tend to view driving as a right. It's a privilege, that's it.

There's no amendment to the Constitution saying that you even have the right to own a car, truck etc. But there is for guns?!? And year-to-year, car accidents kill more people than guns do in America.

Go figure. Just my 2 cents.

Jon

(I too am an American who loves his vehicles, all 5 of them. I'm not anti-gun or gun control advocate either. What I love more than both are the freedoms all Americans enjoy - let's keep them all!)
;)

hMm.. little patriotic are we

Well I have to say I know where you are coming from, and am not going to give you a hard time. I have done something very similiar with better results but still learned my lesson.
I was driving from Minnesota to Arizona (moving in the military) in an '80 Trans Am. I was in Iowa and it had snowed and the freeway was only plowed in the right lane. The car in front of me was only doing 25 mph and there was a long line of cars behind us. I felt it would be safe to do about 45-50 so I decided to pass him. I started to get in the left lane which hadn't been plowed yet and the car suddenly went completely sideways a full 90 degrees. I was looking out the passenger side window to see where I was going and looked out the drivers side window to see the lady behind me doing this :eek: . I was fortunate enough to be able to countersteer it back into control and managed to get the car back into the right lane. The person in front of me got the point and sped up to 45 and nobody tried to pass anyone again.

So I know where you are coming from. Don't drive faster than the conditions allow is all fine and good, but the person in front of you will probably be driving alot slower than the conditions allow and it is nearly impossible to pass them in the snow safely.

Originally posted by spiper
Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean to be hateful, but it's :confused: like you that really get me:fire: when I gotta come outta the firehouse into the cold because some knuckle head is tryin' to hotrod on bad roads just because they gotta truck. Sorry just a pet peave. I'll still be there to cut you outta your truck no matter the weather or how dumb people get.


You really have to appreciate people like that. I came across an accident on my way home from Moab. it was snowing and the roads were covered.

The accident was really bad and they were cutting the occupants out. Thing is there were only like 4 rescue guys there. In a more urban area the same accident would have brought out a huge response team. I really admired those guys working out in the wet and cold helping someone else.:thumbsup:

as soon as the accident happened, a local sheriff came within a min.. then the local police came within 3 mins. nobody was hurt, and no rescue team was needed. i was fortunate enough to walk away with no injuries( built ford tough) and the other people were fine too. ive learned my lesson, and will definately not do anything this stupid again.

got any pics of your X after this?

yeh.. is an elite member willing to post for me? im currently home. will be returning to school where the pics are on mon. if someone can post them for me.. i can send them mon..

im sure ill get alot more heat because the car isnt that bad. it would definately been a good fixerupper. i was planning on either dropping it or lifting it after a few more years and makin it trully an off road car. but i got into the accident 300 miles away from home.. and with towing the car back hom was almost $1000. the rear axle was not aligned properly, and the rear roof was a bit sunk in,, but nothing too bad. i could have just driven it after i got a new rear axle.. but it would have cost too much to tow it home and fix it myself, or to get it done, so i had to sell it. im working now, looking into police and federal auctions, to get a 01 sport. once you go exploder, you never stray....

yeah ill post em for ya, my e-mail is TarHeel085@explorerforum.com

sorry i got to go to work but i put them up at web photos (http://www.webphotos.com/list_photos.asp?mi=3&smi=1&a=63829)

It actually looks like it held up pretty well considering...

Were you banged up at all? Seat belt marks?

Bummer, dude.

Jon

i didnt get a scratch.. except a little burn on my pinky from my steering wheel.. guess it rubbed a little .. but nothing.. no whiplash, no seat belt marks. i really wish i kept the car to fix.. but would have cost money that i dont have

jssong, (Edited for Content, By CBoug76-Moderator), my elantra combined with my |337 driving skillz would have never rolled.