Just trying to gage the interest out there for a diesel option for the Explorer. Think about peak torque higher than the V8 gas option with 5-8 mpg better in the city. What would you be willing to pay for such an option?

i'm not going to vote on this topic, but i would love the diesel explorer. but with the price tag i'd be better off with the F-250 SCrew 4X4 diesel that the family has. i'm not saying that it wouldn't be worth it, but with the extra $5,000.00 it would add to the price tag, you'd be better off getting a full size, IMHO.

i know not everyone is going to agree on this, this is my personal opinion so please don't hate, or flame or whatever

The purpose of this poll is to gage interest out there for a diesel version of the Explorer. This would obviously not be a heavy puller like a 7.3L SuperDuty, but assume it to have 300+ lb-ft torque (more than the V8 gas), 7-10 mpg better than the V8 in the city (more on-highway) and would cost no more than $2000 sticker over the base engine. Thoughts???

Well I voted, Sign me up... But I wouldnt be able to afford one... Thing is tho, I think they'd be really damn sweet... Diesels rock, and well, where I'm at, fuel isn't a problem for em.
Pete

I love diesels. We own two. A 2000 Golf TDI and a 2001 Ram Cummins.

Trouble is I wouldn't by a new Explorer (2002) design. I hate the IFS/IRS design. Now if they would revamp the Explorer sport, keeping the live rear axle and adding an FX4 option with the diesel I would be first in line.

I like diesels, unfortunately the diesel here is $1.50 a gallon and not many stations have it.

On a power standpoint I think it would be very interesting to see what Ford could come up with.

Yes, i would take one today. Like Rick that would make 3 diesels at my house.

Merged the threads together, this way all the info can be kept on one thread. :D

I'd also like to send out a welcome to the site. I'm sure you'll find some great info here.

IMHO, the Explorer the diesel should have been put in was mortally wounded in 1995, and died in 2001. If the diesel had made its way into the 1st-generation, I would love one. Or even into the 2nd- and late-2nd-generation X. But in the 2002, it's too late for me, I don't care for the IRS/IFS arrangement.

If they made a deisel that fit into a new X, I'd consider buying the crate version and installing it in the elder model. (91-94)

i'd buy a turbo diesel explorer sport

I wouldn't own a diesel if somebody gave me one. They are to damn noisy, they stink like s***, disel where I live is always at least $.10 a galon more.

I would be interested in buying one if some the new particulate filters were introduced into the exhaust system that I have been reading about.

I would love one IF it were like a 91-94 or solid axles front and rear.


NO IFS/IRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fire:

I work for Chrysler as a tech at a dealership. The word I have been hearing is that, Chrysler is going to be using the Mercadies diesel in the Liberty and small vehicles like that. Maybe Ford and other companies will get the hint. You get tons of more power out of a diesel compaired to gas, even out of a smaller engine. Better fuel millege is another thing. Longer lasting engines. I have seen many engine go 1 million miles and then they rebuild and they go another million. So the benifits of diesel over gas are endless. Just my two cents. I know more about diesels, so if you got any questions I can try to answer them. Not saying I know it all, but I went to college for the repair of them.



Eric

As a diesel mechanic, I only see the advantages of having a diesel. Come on the average rebuild I see has 300,000 miles!

And who says they stink? That's just POWER.
Nothing like a diesel hunkering down with all that torque...PURE POWER.

You could sign me up...Think of what you could tow!!! Around here diesel is about 20-30 cents cheaper a gallon.

I hear a diesel V-6 is in the works for explorer/exped frame

Where did you get that from???Someone was trying to tell me that a while ago and there was no way i was believing it. Though, i would like to see it!!

I would be there. However I wouldn't buy one based on the reasons others listed. I want the engine only just so I could stick that in my current rig, then throw some propane on it and make it GOOOO...

i said sign me up today.. but i'd rather have the engine and put it in my x also. i don't want to have to start all over witha new x.

Last summer I saw a guy driving on I-80 outside of Joliet in a 2002 Explorer. I remeber this because it was the first one of them that I had seen on the road. It had dealer plates, but the weird/cool thing was that written under the fuel door was (in big letters) DIESEL ONLY.

I am positive that this was an Explorer, but I couldn't actually hear the engine because we were going at highway speeds. I wonder if they already have a diesel version of the Explorer.

In any case, an FYI on the topic of Diesel Explorers.

Dave

I WOULD LOVE A DIESEL!!!!!!!

I'm in. But it needs to be a Super Duty X. Solid Axles front and rear and manual hubs for starters....

we can all dream can't we:smoke:

Alright, now that it has been brought up in a couple posts time for someone to do the swap!:D

the newer diesels are quieter and more efficient and it doesnt seem that you the big black rearend on them like older diesels did. and around here the gas stations try to trick you by posting a big sign that has diesel price first as if it were regular octane and it is always at least .25 cheaper than gas.
i saw a vintage model explorer in va beach va that had cummins badges on the fenders. he was an older phillipino guy and he was really cool i wish i kept up with him but that was before i was active on these boards.

I'd be interested in one, but there would have to be a turbo option, and solid axles front and rear for me to even think about getting rid of mine.:D

Well,
My Dad's company, Robert Bosch Co., is part of a group of companies working with auto manufactures to create new, cleaner burning diesel powered cars and trucks. over in eurpoe, the diesels have come along way since those old, loud, diesels that people remember with black smoke coming out of the tail pipe and all. Currently my Dad just picked up a 2002 Volvo S80 that was imported from Germany as a promotional vehicle along with 20 other diesel cars and truck that his company imported for this year. Other diesels imported include some Jeep Grand Cherokees and other Volvos.
The purpose of them bringing these cars is to display them and give people the opportunity to see how far diesel powered vehicles have come and all the advantages of owning a diesel vehicle.
When he brought this car home, I had expected what most people expect when they think of diesel. I expected that distinctive kakle they make and the vibration they tend to have. I must say, inside the vehicle.I turned on the key, expecting to see that little light come on that says "Wait to start", but with the new technology, there is no need to wait for glow plugs to heat. It just started right up. As I drove, I would never have known it was a diesel, except that it redlines at like 4,500 RPM. The power it makes (especially with the turbo and intercooling system) is just as good or maybe even better then the gas equivlent. i think that by far, the largest advantage with a diesel engine is the fuel economy.my Dad just got the car a month and a half ago, but already has a lot of mile son it due to his work. Average city/high mixed driving (with a heavier foot then most people) is in the 32-34 MPG range and on the highway cruising at 70 MPH his best milage was 44.2 MPG. on the inside, there is no annoying vibrations or noise and on the outside, there is no smoke or fumes emmitted from the tail pipe. Many people can tell that distinctive smell of a diesel vehcile's exhaust, but the exhaust on this Volvo smells like steam coming out of a coffee pot. There are no fumes at all, and the emissions on the new diesels are in some cases cleaner then the gasoline powered vehicles.
People who are against diesels may see a semi-truck driving down the highway pouring out black smoke and say that is their reason to not want a diesel vehcile. The only thing they don;t think about is all those other semis that you see on the road that do not smoke are still diesel. Unfortunatly these days the government is requiring tighter restrictions on diesel vehicles, while still using a low grade of diesel fuel all across the country. Over in Europe, they burn a much higher quality fuel, and since the Volvo my Dad got is built to run on that fuel, he has to add a Cetane booster stuff to his fuel tank.
Anyway, I believe once the general public starts to learn of the new diesels and the excellent fuel economy they offer, I believe that they will begin to opt for the diesel engines. Once more diesel engines sell her ein the US....more and more cars will begin to get diesels.
If anyone is interested in any more information about the new technologies for diesels, or if you want to find out where you can see one of these diesles, let me know and i'll relay the message to my Dad.

Originally posted by 01EB5.0
Well,
My Dad's company, Robert Bosch Co., is part of a group of companies working with auto manufactures to create new, cleaner burning diesel powered cars and trucks.

If anyone is interested in any more information about the new technologies for diesels, or if you want to find out where you can see one of these diesles, let me know and i'll relay the message to my Dad.

VERY INTERESTED!

I will begin co-op'ing for Robert Bosch Co. in Charleston, SC in January. I will be in the common rail fuel delievery group ~ so I'm sure I'll see all sorts of diesels!

As for a diesel Explorer ~ Oh heck yeah! 4x4's need TQ not HP. Trucks were made to be hard working, not to go fast! Give me a diesel over gas anyday.

Well, I doubt it'll happen. I know a good while back they were talking about a smaller diesel in the F-150 (makes more sense in that than an explorer) and it was proposed to have met or would meet the stricter emissions comming in o7 er whenever it is. Shot down, didn't happen. I think that was supposed to be for the 04 or 05 model. After looking at how things are going with the sploders, i retract my previous post from awhile ago and would say no, i wouldn't want one.

Originally posted by RFR2212
Well, I doubt it'll happen. I know a good while back they were talking about a smaller diesel in the F-150 (makes more sense in that than an explorer) and it was proposed to have met or would meet the stricter emissions comming in o7 er whenever it is. Shot down, didn't happen. I think that was supposed to be for the 04 or 05 model. After looking at how things are going with the sploders, i retract my previous post from awhile ago and would say no, i wouldn't want one.

It was shot down because they were trying to cut 2 cyl off the powerstroke block and make the engine work, but it ended up baing a failure...so we may still see at least F150, if not Explorer diesels in several years, but they have to create an engine first...which takes time.

I've thought about this before and....A DIESEL X WOULD BE AWESOME...diesels really arent that loud, only when cold. My dad's F-250 is very quiet on the highway. Hardly hear it.

Unfortunately i can't find the thread, but at rrorc.com they disappear frequently. IIRC Dale a long time board memeber there, and here (racinhound i think) went to some ford concept meeting by invite regarding the diesel, and it was proposed at the time a 4cyl model... Not a 6cyl... and that in the end was shot down because too many people believed that it was not going to be good enough under the new emissions rules. All in all, I doubt it'll happen anytime soon, and if it does, i doubt it'll be a result of this board. There have been issues that many have stood behind here, and have gone straight to Ford engineers and others, and the idea blew away in the wind. I see it as a lost cause.

Originally posted by RFR2212
I see it as a lost cause.

If gas prices keep climbing, diesel will be the way of the future. If you've ever been to Europe, you will see that EVERY auto manufacturer has a diesel option for every car made. They make great tq, mpg's, and are cleaner burning now. Bosch advertises all the time about the future of direct diesel injection and what it can produce.

The old school days of Mercedes's diesels that could be heard for miles are gone.

thats so true. DIesels of today are much quieter. As I said, my Dad's Volvo S80 diesel does not sould like a diesel, does not smell like a diesel and people say diesels are slow, but if you hve traction control off, that big car can still squeal the tires and take off pretty quick.

I dont; think this board will make for get a diesel explorer....I think the competition will. if Chrysler has several diesel cars and trucks, Chevy and Ford are going to follow also. Simply for the savings in fuel. My Dad;s S80 gets about 35 MPG average.....thats a lot higher then the gas version of the same car. He has also had the gas milage get as high as like 45 or 48 on a 6 hour trip on the highway.

My neighbor has a 2000 FOrd E350 super duty with the 7.3 powerstroke, and even when hauling 6,000 pounds he still says he averaged 24 MPG (And this is when it had 650,000 miles on the engine)....i know the V-10 gas equivlent would get half that, if you are luckey.

As long as I can keep my Four Wheel Drive, If it is possible and it is a FORD motor (especially if it is a TURBO Diesel. I will buy one. If someone knows where I can get one, how I can do it. Still get lots and lots of miles out of my ex (Not tear the tranny and Transfer case slam up in less than 300k) I will do it.

I'll pay another $5,000 and put one in mine. But there is the stipulation it HAS to be a GEN 2 4x4. I will not buy a Gen 3. If someone comes up with one about 2.5" higher off the ground and I can STILL do a TT and Shackles I MIGHT consider a Gen 3. If not, forget it.

Diesels stink! Almost no one I know who owns one has it serviced at the proper intervals. Without proper servicing they pollute the air more than conventional engines. When you ride behind one that is not properly serviced you could choke to death if you're asthmatic or have any pulmonary problems. I think they should ban them in passenger vehicles.

The old diesels may have an odor associated with them, but the new diesels...the ones they currently use overseas, and the new ones that will be introduced in America, make less noise and have no more odor then a gasoline powered vehicle.

What you said is true of any vehicle though. If the user does not have it serviced, the engine will pollute and smell. Gasoline powered vehicles do the same if not taken care of. i have seen gas vehicles blowing out thick smoke and smell bad, but people just keep using them.

In the Pacific countries ford has a model called the ford everest. Looks like an X, has a 4cyl diesel engine, and turbo option. Don't know specs.

I don't see any need for a diesel engine. All it will do is drive up the price of diesel fuel for our transportation delieverys. Also I would not be able to use a remote starter with a diesel! Research money would be better spent on something that does NOT require any OIL!!!

Originally posted by 01EB5.0
If anyone is interested in any more information about the new technologies for diesels, or if you want to find out where you can see one of these diesles, let me know and i'll relay the message to my Dad.

I would definitely be interested in more info on the new diesel technology. You can e-mail it to me at fordlover@myway.com Whether it be a website link or what have you.

As for a diesel X, I would own one in a hot minute. Who wouldn't. You get more power, better gas mileage, diesel fuel costs less than regular gas, and on top of all that, you don't have to worry about changing spark plugs.

Oh yeah baby! #100

AND, you know I'll take mine with an oil burner in it!

Infact a Cummins 4cylinder turbo to be exact, same one you would find in an NPR box truck. ;)




<------- has been doing top secret research.

I'd take one.

Let me throw in my 2 cents if I may.

Ok, here is what I have been thinnking, putting diesel engines in ANY vehicle is a good move, why? for three reasons:
1. More Power (torque) and better fuel efficiency
2. Cleaner for environment***
3. Future reductions of need for crude oil.

now let me clarify some of these points, for the first everyone knows the benefits for power and drivability of a diesel motor so enough there, for the second point running a diesel motor can greatly reduce the side affects of a gasoline engine (pollution). By running BIODIESEL, a renuable energy source made from organic oils such as soybean oil (vegitable/cooking oil) you can eleimate almost 78% of carbon monoxide pollution. With the increase of the number of people using biodiesel as opposed to traditional petroleum diesel the need for crude oil to support these vehicles will be lessoned, lowering the emphasis on foreign oil imports somewhat.

http://www.biodiesel.org/

Sean

I just wanna see some pics of this mysterious diesel Explorer better known in Asia and the Middle East as the Ford Everest and pics of it's engine.

Here is alink to see the truck...no engine pics though :-(.
I think the diesel is the same one as used in the european ranger for years....

http://www.ford.com.ph/

Cool :cool: . Kinda resembles the 1st Gen as well as a Montero.

i look on this and have to say " ya i want a desiel" I mean here in Alberta where I am Diesel is like 59 cents a litre while regular is 89cents. I dont care if it stinks and we all know that noise isent an issue. How many of you have put the exhaust kits and intake kits to make it louder and more powerful? This is better:D

I got no where to plug in the heater... and I park in really COLD weather

how cold??? 40 below? (celcius)

I voted not for $2000.
Reason is, I know nothing about diesel and can't stand the way they sound or smell. Though the power is nice. Nothing about power can be bad!

Diesel anything is very, very good these days.

1) The new diesel engines are very clean and smooth, nothing like diesels of old, or poorly running engines.
2)They are worth it alone on fuel economy.
3) We already have diesel availible nationwide
4) diesel is only getting cleaner
5) cheaper to fill up, cheaper to maintain

I work with marine diesels on a regular basis, and I'll take one over a gas engine any day.

Alright, now that it has been brought up in a couple posts time for someone to do the swap!:D

i volunteer. lets all start a fund for me. ill install a diesel in my truck and ill let u all know how it goes :) :smoke: but seriously, a diesel for a first gen would kick some major butt - i want to see my explorer hit well past 500k. esp cuz i goto school in iowa. can anyone say BIODIESEL?!

hell yeah sign me up for that

Here is alink to see the truck...no engine pics though :-(.
I think the diesel is the same one as used in the european ranger for years....

http://www.ford.com.ph/




holy crap that would be sweet to own


i myself am going to tech school for Diesel Mechanics

Do you think Ford would think about putting that Diesel they wanted to put in the "Concept Bronco's" with Its "gutsy turbo-diesel reaches peak 244 lbs./ft. torque at just 1,800 rpm, and provides limited-time overboost of 258 lbs./ft. at full throttle for steep climbing. For an even greater power kick, holding down the N20 button injects a stream of nitrous oxide, delivering a temporary 60-hp boost to clear that really tough off-road obstacle."(As Ford put it ever so nicely) I mean from rumors that sounds like a good SUV sized engine a 2.0L Diesel Engine w/ Nos and a Turbo Charger sounds good to me :D

i would jump at the chance to put a diesel in my first gen, i love the way the 1st gens look and with that much power and a little offroad capability, it would be unstoppable (almost)

Diesels are the rage in europe where gas and diesel is around 3-4 times what it is here. In austria 80% of new cars are diesels. A diesel in an explorer just makes sense...much more so then hybrids.... DC motors can haul but they have to weight so much they arent practical anymore... The explorers i believe have been diesels for YEARS in england etc... HP is nothing guys... put a six speed tranny and let it rev to 4k it will only have 180hp but it will tow a house and have 300+ ft lbs...

Diesels are coming, they are not noisy that is a notion that people developed in the 70s when diesels werent developed as they are today. Look at the gas engines of the same time period... Mercedes has brought back a diesel in the E class... guess what it is QUITER and will out accelerate the 3.2v6 it replaces...

2000 is reasonable given the increased service interval of a diesel (lasting 400-500K would be easy) and the lower price at the pump plus increased re sale... ever notice how well TDI jettas hold their value...

Bottom line ford can...should...and will.... its really the only choice.

B