I've read many 'free' mods about people connecting a dryer hose to a hole they've drilled in their air box to get much much more power. Is there a way to get my FIPK intake cool air? I like the dryer hose idea, but would i have to make my own airbox around the cone filter to keep it from pulling hot air in from the engine bay??? any ideas or anyone who has done somethin like this???

What do you expect the temperature difference ( over ambient ) will be?

I really have no clue what the temperature difference will be.... i'm guess it will depend on if someone can think of a way to get the filter to draw in the air coming from the dryer hose as opposed to drawing most in from the engine bay. Does anyone have ideas?

I thought about doing this. Problem is, will the air even have enough momentum to flow up the hose and into the intake?

Using one of the code scanners that can read sensors:
after adding a custom aluminum heat shield to block header heat and and adding some dryer hose, my intake temps are about 5-10 degrees cooler than before when above 35 mph. now once I'm moving, intake air temps are about 5-12 degrees above ambient.

Hmm, as i see it, the air won't need momentum to move up the dryer hose, am i wrong?

depends on how you do it. if you rig up the dryer hose so it firmly contacts the air filter (or a sealed airbox), the hose should create suction when the motor needs air. I on the other hand, just routed my hoses so they're "near" the air filter. I sometimes go through deep water and live in a wet climate, so I don't want any suction from below the filter. Above about 30-35 mph, the air has enough force to flow up through the hoses. Below that it doesn't do anything.

It's nice to be able to go through water over 3' deep :)

so lets say i had like a large heat shield over my fipk, and a few dryer hoses coming from it... they would create suction? and this shouldn't be a problem street driving, because there would be no water to suck up into the filter?

(this is what i was planning to do, i'm just not smart enough to figure out how to do it myself)

Alec, how did you mount your aluminum heat shield?

Alec, do you have any current pictures of your intake? I'm very interested.

sorry, no current pics. I tried, but even to my trained eye it came out like looking at a pile of junk (which is what it is ;) )

the al heat shield is just an aluminum sheet that's bent a bit into place with a few self-tapping screws in it to secure it. it goes from the 'floor' where the air filter is up to the bottom of the mas. up top, a strap that's screwed into the sheet runs under a hose clamp on the intake tube to secure it up there.

the dryer hose: one length extends from the opening of the stock air scoop to behind the bumper with a little scoop on it. another length starts in the front 'mouth' opening of the bumper, runs up behind the headlight, and exits to the front of the air filter.

with the shield i noticed the motor bogged a bit less in city driving. with the hose, i noticed a bit more throttle response on the highway.

Hey guys, i just picked up some aluminum flashing and a 4 inch aluminum dryer hose. Sucking up water is no issue.... so which set up should give me more acceleration? Making a sort of closed box of aluminum around the intake with the dryer hose coming out of it and going down to draw cool air in around the fog lights or bumper.... OR using the aluminum to just make a heat shield on one side of the intake, and use the dryer hose in the same way, only just placing it near the intake.... what do you guys think? personally i think the box idea would give cooler air/more power... but i don't honestly know.

unless you form a completely sealed airbox, the dryer hose wont create suction. so might as well go the easy route and just seal off the filter on one side from the engine heat and run the dryer hose close to it. don't expect huge power gains, but it will help.

the 4 in hose won't fit anywhere.... 3 in will do the trick... do they make 3 inch aluminum dryer hose?? I'm thinkin about using the 4 inch to cover my rubber intake tube

my dryer hose is vinyl. it's easier to bend w/o tearing and conducts less heat.

I used Cool Tape to insulate the air tube. Supposedly it reflects away most heat but since I have no IAT thermistor I can't verify this.

I'm gonna rig some sort of heat shield now, since I need to get my mod fix for the week hehehe

whats cool tape?, where can you get it :)

Do a search on the forum here about Cool Tape if u want to know about it.

fyi, Martel Brothers Performance

www.martelbros.com

I want to do something like this too.

Create a type of heatshield around the intake, and use dryer hose to bring in cooler air.

Has anyone done this with a first generation Explorer? If you have, where did you mount the dryer hose?

I can't find a really good location without the hose bending and twisting a lot. Or is that not really a problem if the hose bends and twists a lot?

Originally posted by diablo5969
I want to do something like this too.

Create a type of heatshield around the intake, and use dryer hose to bring in cooler air.

Whats the point?

If the hose has a lot of bends and twists, the air will lose momentum if you don't have a suction. I just don't think the benefits of doing this is worth the time.

Originally posted by aldive
Whats the point?

It makes me feel productive

Originally posted by Hartman
If the hose has a lot of bends and twists, the air will lose momentum if you don't have a suction.

I was afraid of that. So, back to my question about dryer hose locations on a first gen Ex...

If you measure intake air temp while moving, you will see that is very close to the outside ambient temp. I seriously doubt that anything will be gained from trying to get "cold" air.

Well then we can all just forget I asked about it

Aldive, my homemade heatshield showed a noticable change in the air intake temp at idle and slow speeds. Please don't be so quick to dismiss everyone's ideas.

As for the dryer hose, no it won't make a difference most of the time due to the kinks and stuff, but it was noticable for me on the highway.

Originally posted by Alec
Aldive, my homemade heatshield showed a noticable change in the air intake temp at idle and slow speeds. Please don't be so quick to dismiss everyone's ideas.

What temp at the intake did YOU get.

Both Ribert, who in my opinion is one of the brighest and knowledgable people here, and I have shown that the temp difference is not much.

Made about a 5 degree difference. Temps taken for a few days before and a few days after.

So that's what I got. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but the rest of us aren't as dumb as you always seem to think. We may have bad ideas and faulty opinions, but the world's not perfect and we're all entitled to say our piece without being shot down and yelled at. If someone wants to try a cheap mod for a few ponies, why not? I just usually try to steer people away from spending hundreds of dollars on somethings that's not worth it. And I personally enjoy modding my truck. So if a piece of dryer hose doesn't do anything, so what? I got some relaxation and wrenching time out of it.

Here are my results from some testing I did back in October 2001:

With K&N FIPK (Idle):
DATE AMBIENT IATS NOTES
10/18/01 94 143 sitting in trafic
10/18/01 91 154 parked for 10 min.
10/19/01 66 114 parked for 8 min.
10/19/01 93 158 parked for 8 min. in garage

With K&N FIPK (cruise):
DATE AMBIENT IATS NOTES
10/18/01 93 98 45, 50, 70 MPH
10/18/01 92 105 35 MPH
10/18/01 92 98 50 MPH
10/19/01 64 64 50 MPH
10/19/01 66 66 65 MPH
10/19/01 95 98 70 MPH
10/19/01 94 96 70 MPH

And with my heatshield my temps would be 5+ degrees cooler at those "idle" readings.

Robert, I have seen virtually the same temp data as you reported.

I am always interested in finding a mre effecient way to do things and therefore benefit in increased gas mileage. However, I see no justification of any type "cold air" modifications.

Tiye data further supports what i found.

Originally posted by Alec
And with my heatshield my temps would be 5+ degrees cooler at those "idle" readings.

How did you measure the temperature?

Thanks

Sheesh Grouchy Smurf!

So maybe it does something, maybe it doesn't. Just let people try it for themselves and see. Maybe if it doesn't do anything, it will have a placebo effect, and they think it does and they feel better about their trucks. I mean we are talking about a cheapy mod here.

Let the people try want they want and quit dissing everything. Geez

Robb

I for one appreciate it when folks here report both things that work and those that don't; it saves me valuable time not having to reinvent the wheel.

a plug in $3000 code scanner

Originally posted by Alec
a plug in $3000 code scanner

Great, what was the ambient temp during your tests? Do you have the temp comparasons at idle and various speeds as Robert posted?

Thanks....

A heat sield blocks heat, blocking heat means less of it, that means a lower temperature. Just accept it and move on.

So I guess I can ask my question now:

Does anyone know of a good location to put the hose on a first gen Ex?

Aldive, I know I speak for everyone here when I ask you to stop wasting everyone's time with this. If you want to argue with Alec about his findings (no one else seems to care) then do it over PM. This website isn't for you to flex your ego.

Drop it or I'll close the thread, this isnt helping anyone.

PS, Chase, I apologize that I can't answer your question, not my area of expertise. Hopefully someone else can.

Are you talking about relocating your air filter?
If you are... i don't know about first gen, but on my 96 i was looking at puting a dryer hose down off to the side of my fog lights.... you might want to look there even though i'm not exaclty sure what you mean

Psychotic, I want to keep the air filter in the stock location, but I want to route some dryer hose from the front of the Ex back to the filter. I just can't find a good, straight location for it.

PS, Stephen, thanks for the good word

On my 96... not sure if you can find somethin similar on your ex... i fount a spot right behind the opening in my bumper and right behind the opening beside the fog light. The only problem is my 4 inch dryer hose won't fit, but 2 3inch ones probably will for me. It goes pretty much up and down with a slight bend off to the left. good luck in finding a route for yours!

I don't have foglights on my Ex, so I don't know exactly where you're talking about, but I'm going to check the openings in the bumper. I think they're too low in my Ex, but I'll take a look to doublecheck. Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, where is the intake on the second gen Ex? Is it directly behind the right headlight?

2nd gen. right behind right headlight.. yup.

Hmmm, that's what I thought. On the first gen, it's behind the headlight but it's all the way in the back of the engine compartment. That's part of the reason why I'm having so much trouble finding a good route to it.

Thanks for the quick answer!

Oh, that could prove to be a heck of a lot trickier. Drill a BIG hole in the fender next to in and graft one them thing that you see on the side of mustangs!

Yeah, LOL, for some reason I just can't picture that on my Ex :)

Actually, a long time ago I briefly thought about cutting a hole directly below the intake on the inside of the wheelwell and route the dryer hose there. That was until I realized I would be sending water, mud, and road grime straight into my engine compartment :(

Don't you hate a really great idea that just plain won't work

Chase, you could do the intake relocation mod. This is where you basically relocate the battery, fluid bottles, and intake to the 95+ locations. From what I hear it's actually not that hard to do.

"Not hard to do" heheh.

Well maybe if you switch the locations of the batt and air filter it wouldn't be too hard....it's just I wonder if the cables would reach...and besides, my Duralast batt is too big to fit up there...I've tried it...maybe if you have a smallish batt like an Optima you could do that.

but If you want to move your battery to the driver's side of the engine bay, then you're talking a real job. I find it difficult re-routing batt cables, namely the positive one which branches off many times. If I knew exactly what things I had to hook the + cable to I would probably do it.

I also debated in my mind whether or not the time and effort spent doing this would result in any worthwhile performance/mileage gains. Even so, I am a gearhead and something like this intrigues me. One of these days when I need to replace the + batt cable I will give it some serious thought.

seems you wouldn't really have to reroute the battery cables, (well, the neg is easy), just extend them with beefy 0 gauge or something.

good point. So you mean you would recommend just cutting the positive cable with wire cutters and soldering the extension wire to it?

sure, why not? :D

i wouldn't soder.... i dunno high heat high voltage... just doesn't seem very good, i'd use a connector made for connecting the wires together. Most car audio stores can have what you need.

Solder doesn't melt to above 600 F I believe. It shouldn't get hot enough to cause any problems.

If it isn't perfectly sodered.... couldn't the wires arch or something and heat it up hot enough...? like how a fuse blows.

I don't know, rearranging my whole engine bay seems like more trouble than it'd be worth. I might just try to wrap some dryer hose through the engine compartment somehow.

But thanks for all the ideas :D

Originally posted by psychotic
If it isn't perfectly sodered.... couldn't the wires arch or something and heat it up hot enough...? like how a fuse blows. Actually, if you have the ends of the wires inserted into each other good and use plenty of solder, there would be no problem. You just have to remember to heat from the bottom side of the wire and feed the solder from the top. That way the solder will actually flow completely through the wire at that point and leave no gaps. It'll actually suck the solder through like a sponge.

cool, just wonderin :)

I did it, routed 4 inch aluminum dryer hose up from next to my fog light up to right in front of the intake aimin at it. Also have 2 pieces of aluminum flashin wraped up the side and back from the bottom where the FIPK bolts on to block some engine compartment heat. My dryer tube just pokes in an opening on the front of this "heat shield". Notice power increase actually.. maybe its just me... but esp at speeds around 40 mph on cool evenings :)

Cool. I'm glad it all worked well. Now I have inspiration :)

I hope there was no pun intended by that, sheesh!

hopefully i'll wash my car today and take some pics

http://missionsociety.itgo.com/explorer2.html

project ghetto air as i like to call it

WOW!!...............That is GHETTO!!

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