i am thinking of buying a paintball gun for home pretection. better then a real gun cause if it gets into the wrong hand, the likelyhood of getting killed is less, but still possible..i know. so, what do u guys recommend. i looked at ebay and there is a lot out there. so i have no idea what is good. i know all metal is good. not too expensive. i know there are thosr that runs 150 and up. i wanna keep it as low as possible but still in good condition.
so, waht do u guys recommend and what to look for when purchasing.

Well I'm not too sure how to answer. I've never thought of using a paintball gun for home protection. If someone is in my house and needs to be shot, I'm going to be sure that it's a real gun with real bullets.

If you just want to use it to scare people then any paintball gun will do. They have reasonably priced guns at Wal-Mart that work just fine. If you were actually going to go out and play then I would have more to recommend.

As for me, I'm just starting to get back into paintball after a 9 year break, and I'll be getting a Black Magic AutoCocker. Used one for years (91-94) back in the day. Awesome gun. It shoots straight and far, but it runs for about $700. There are some that are up to $1800 for the full customs.

Get a good clean Tippmann 98. They are very very reliable and shoot very well.

is there such a thing as fully auto or semi auto? should i make sure that the one i get is semi auto? what does it mean...shotting out 5 balls continuesly?

90% of guns now are semi-auto. The Automag is fully auto. Also, if you want to spend some big bucks, you can get an electronic triger, which can be programmed as semi or full auto.

I have a Tribal Fluster that can shoot 14-16 balls a second.

holy cow...who needs a 9mm when u can shot 14-16 balls a sec. that can cause some serious pain, especially if u get someon on the face.

Originally posted by swak6287
holy cow...who needs a 9mm when u can shot 14-16 balls a sec. that can cause some serious pain, especially if u get someon on the face.

A 9 mm hurts more, trust me.

Originally posted by Black Magic
Get a good clean Tippmann 98. They are very very reliable and shoot very well.


good gun and almost impossible to break

Angel IR3?

20 balls per second? Sure, the IR3 can do that
http://www.warpedsportz.com/20bps.htm

More info
http://www.warpedsportz.com/warped/800/Paintball/markers/DaIr3/dair3ntr.htm

Yes but the Angel IR3 costs $1200. That's a bit far from the $150 he wanted to spend.

Doc, you are always runing my fatasies! :D I bet you could get one for about $500 used.

u are right about that, chris. dang...caught inbetween. guess i better go get my black belt then eh..lol.

now if you freeze the paintballs, thatll do a little more damage
Ummmmm you dident hear it from me but a 5/8" steel ball bearing works awsome in a PB gun.
My earon carter autococker can throw out 8-10bps semi auto:p

Also, if you freeze the paintballs, they may shrink a bit and wouldn't fire as well. OR actually they would expand, as the paint is water based, and wouldn't load properly. If you are trying to shoot a burglar, last thing you want is a jam.

Hotweels: I hope you're using a cheap barrel to shoot the bearings, as it's going to screw up the one you have.

I've tried freezing paintballs in my subzero... it didn't work. I think they have some sort of antifreeze to them.

and back to the original question: you are certifiably delusional if you think you're going to 'defend' yourself and/or your house with a paintball gun. I'd recommend getting a real gun, but first you'd definitely benefit from a little research about firearms and their uses. Try glocktalk.com. Basically everything under the sun is covered there, and it's a good place to start since everyone is pretty civil to n00bs.

Has anyone tried airsoft? Great alternative to paintball- I just got a MP5-SD5 and you'd swear it was the real thing. With the 1000 motor, that thing really shoots (full auto is simply stunning)!!
Back to the issue, I would get a real gun for defense as I have been shot relatively up close with a paintball gun and it only angered me greatly. Had I been shot with a shotgun, well...I wouldn't be here:p . For home defense, nothing beats a good ol' 12 guage!
Greg

Yea, just the sound of a pump Shotgun cocking will send chills down your spine if it is directed at you.

Heres my theory. Get a 12ga. First two are blanks. Cock them and fire at the ceiling if you know someone is in your house. If they dont leave by then (they will) the next shell is salt. Fire it at their foot or curtains or something. when they see the damage the shell does, they will run. If all else fails, your last two shells are real.

how many sheels u can put in a 12 gauge, without reloarding? that sounds better then a little 12mm. at least with a 12 gauge, u dont have to be that great of a shooter, right? and the empty shells theory sounds better and better now. are theyexpensive...the 12 gauge? guess ihvae to get a licence too.....kinda hard to conceal a 12 gauge...lol.

Shotgun capacity depends on the model. Usually 4-5 shots. In theory, if you need more than 5 shots, you're in big trouble.

A shotgun is also great, becuase some rounds will not penetrate walls. A pistol is a risk because even a .22 can go right through a normal wall.

There are some special bullets called glaser rounds that are a plastic bullet that has small buckshot in it. When it hits a person it will take them out, but they won't penetrate walls, etc. Great for home defense.

With a 12ga... point in the general direction of the heart... have a large hole in the general area of the chest ;)

i can saw off the handle and be arnord in terminator? lol. but yah... i am just thining about if someone breaks in my house, i have no security to protect my family. police takes a qhile to get there. my philosophy is, we have to rely on ourself to get things done sometime. hhmm... 12 gauge....hhmmmmmm.

put one behind the headboard and one in the attic with an emergency phone in the attic. that shold be good. are 12 gauge shotgun expensive?

Nope, most are actually really cheap. You should be able to find one for $150. Once again, try Wal-Mart.

12 GAUGE......hhmm.....any 12 gauge would do eh. wonder if i can go hunting with that 12 gause....lol. vaporize some deer or somehting. lol. hey, thank guys for the info.. again, this is the best place intown for the best info.

I would like to add here the i strictly in no way reccomend ever shooting anyone for any reason, I was simply trying to answer your question. ;)

understood!

Originally posted by nweibley
...i strictly in no way reccomend ever shooting anyone for any reason...


Actually, if someone breaks into your house, I do recommend shooting them. They have absolutely no reason to be there; none whatsoever. If someone breaks into my house, they are not leaving it alive.

Actually, if someone breaks into your house, I do recommend shooting them. They have absolutely no reason to be there; none whatsoever. If someone breaks into my house, they are not leaving it alive.

:chug: Couldn't have said it better myself! Seriously, if someone is in your house with the intent of doing you or your family harm, why WOULDN'T you want to blow his chest apart??!?!

Holy sh!t... where to start.
First of all, having two blanks, rock salt, etc in your home defense weapons is IDIOTIC. Only slightly less idiotic is the "shoot to maim" idea that has been presented.
Get one thing straight people, if you shoot someone you are going to jail. Period. The thing that will alter the length of your stay in the slammer is whether the shoot was justified.
I know most of you wont care, but here's the the GoldenRule: You can only shoot if you, or your loved one, is under threat of great bodily harm or death. If some punk is running out your front door with your 5K stereo system, or some other punk is stealing your X, and you shoot them, you'll easily be convicted of murder. Your life is essentially over.
If you are under attack and fear for your life, then you do not shoot to "hurt" or "maim". You also do not shoot to kill. You shoot to stop. To stop the threat that is about to kill you (or so you better think). Dead men tell no tales, and hire no attorneys to sue the sh!t out of you for blowing their foot off.

Generally handgun ammo will over penetrate the most in an indoor setting. Buckshot also penetrates most walls thru and thru. Birdshot is marginally less susceptable to over penetration. I know it sounds weird, but some of the least penetrative rounds (once the hit something @ 3000+fps) are in .223 caliber (AR-15/M-16 type rifles). Yes, there are franglibles out there like the glaser, and they are a bargain at only $2/round.

Sorry for the fatherly like lecture, but these are things you should DEFINITELY know if you are planning on investing in a weapon. You have a bad shoot and you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

The whole point is to avoid a confrontation with the person by firing the blanks and rock salt. There is nothing idiot about it. By the time you are to the real shells, you will know damn well if you are going to realistically need to use them.

Originally posted by DrEVS
Get one thing straight people, if you shoot someone you are going to jail. Period. The thing that will alter the length of your stay in the slammer is whether the shoot was justified.


Not quite. It all depends on state law. For exapmle Texas still has the Old West laws on its books that allows you to shoot trespassers on your property. It was originally meant to deter poachers and cattle rustlers, but as it does not specifically say this, any interloper is a fair target. Modern law is less flexible, and they often over-rule this old law, but it could be used as a technicality if it did go to trial.

However, the fact remains that it is very hard to quantify the threat a person feels. If someone is breaking into your house and you shoot them, you will likely NOT go to jail. Only if there is a clear cut case of wrongful shooting, such as shooting him in the back as he's leaving with that $5000 stereo. That will indeed send you to jail. However, in the stressful situationof confronting a ribber in a dark house in the middle of the night, it's very difficult to say that you did not feel threatened.

yah, i mean, if u are sleeping at nite and at 3am, u hear break window and russling. the first thing i would grab is my gun, then call 911, then secure famioy, then check out what the hell is downstairs. i dont see ianything wrong if someone is walking up my stairs at 3am and i shot their head off. i am sure they did not come to tell me that i left my light on in the garage at 3am. good stuff are all downstairs... and if they are coming upstairs, that will be the last stairway they are walking on.
am i right or what? i am not going to sit there and wait for 2 instruder to come close to my wife and child before i blow their heaaad off. "oh, u did not hurt us, just rob us. ok, i will not shot u!" i dont think it works that way.

Originally posted by nweibley
By the time you are to the real shells, you will know damn well if you are going to realistically need to use them.
By the time you get to the 'real' shells, the police will be there to write the report, and the coroner will be there to outline the sillouette of a man trying like hell to cycle the dummy rounds out of his shotgun while some freak hopped up on meth is stabbing him. Great plan! Glad I'm not your roommate ;)

Not quite. It all depends on state law... any interloper is a fair target...
Let me know how that turns out for you.
TX is one of the last bastions of freedom... but even they have had many successful challenges to the "shoot to defend your property" concept. You length of jail time may only be a few hours, but the point is that it is a big frikking deal to shoot someone. The very least of your worries will be the tens of thousands of dollars it will cost to defend yourself from the DA. Basically most things that someone could steal from your house, are worth much less than the cost of shooting that same thief. I know, it's pretty unfair to us law abiders, but that's the way it is.
Threat is impossible to quantify, especially for people other than yourself. That's why it better be pretty darn obvious to everyone that the threat to your physical well being was real.
Swak... you are almost right. Actively "investigating" the disturbance downstairs could be construed as you "instigating" or "escalating" the confrontation. However if someone comes up your stairs at 3 am and does not yeild to your verbal commands, then you are likely justified.

Originally posted by DrEVS
Glad I'm not your roommate ;)
The feelings mutual

I know most of you wont care, but here's the the GoldenRule: You can only shoot if you, or your loved one, is under threat of great bodily harm or death. If some punk is running out your front door with your 5K stereo system, or some other punk is stealing your X, and you shoot them, you'll easily be convicted of murder. Your life is essentially over.

That's why I said in my previous post,
Seriously, if someone is in your house with the intent of doing you or your family harm, why WOULDN'T you want to blow his chest apart??!?!
;)
Ultimately I would contest that living with the possibility of being sued is a hell of alot better than not living at all! Swak and nweibley are absolutely right in their points of view, nobody is saying to blow someone's head off if their stereo is being stolen.


Actively "investigating" the disturbance downstairs could be construed as you "instigating" or "escalating" the confrontation.
:rolleyes: Not quite. Remember, they are breaking into your house and should they choose to resort to violence whether or not a verbal insult or visual contact has been made, they will be susceptible to the repercussions of such actions...period. I think that we're all on the same side here...
Greg

I've heard somewhere that if you decide to shoot, you need to keep shooting until it's empty.

If it's just one or two shots, they seem deliberate, and not acting on 'fight or flight' mentality. It's harder to convince a jury (if it gets to that point) that you felt threatened and panicked if the shots were calculated and precise.

I don't know much about the law though.. And I do live in Texas, so maybe that only applies here.

Originally posted by DaHeinah
Not quite. Remember, they are breaking into your house and should they choose to resort to violence whether or not a verbal insult or visual contact has been made, they will be susceptible to the repercussions of such actions...period. I think that we're all on the same side here...
Greg

We're definitely all on the same side here. The reason I jumped in was because I saw some catastrophically flawed logic, underscored my a misunderstanding of the law and it's potential interpretations.
I would urge you to do a little case history research regarding home invasion shootings, and 'defensive shootings' in general. Whenever I think about ramifications of those types of situations, I always look at it from the DA's perspective, cause ultimately he/she (not one of us keyboard QB's) is going to decide your fate.

I'm not sure I completely agree with the idea of 'shooting till empty', but I understand its merits. Using the above perspective, though, could you see how a DA could argue that "the vicious blood thirsty shooter just wanted to kill my client, ravaging his corpse with 15 bullets in a spectacle of testosterone fueled vengance" or some equally ridiculous crap?
Also, shooting to excess could lead to multiple misses and collateral damage downrange.
I still think the 'shoot to stop' rationale is the most appropriate, but of course it's open to interpretation.

Originally posted by DrEVS
Actively "investigating" the disturbance downstairs could be construed as you "instigating" or "escalating" the confrontation.

So what you are saying is that to avoid any possible legal problems, you should just hide under the covers if you hear a disturbance downstairs. Sorry, it's MY house, and I'll go wherever I want to in MY house. The robber has no rights in MY house. If some intruder is in MY house I have every right to "investigate" the disturbance. See the trend here? I live here, not the criminal. He has no reason to be there. He "instigated" and "escalated" by entering MY house in the first place, and he will die. The very fact that some stranger with dishonest intentions is in MY house means I will act. I'm not going to sit around and wait to see if he goes into my son's room or tries to rape my wife or assault me. By him simply breaking in, those assumptions are already decided.

If this ever happens, I'm not worried about being jalied. Any decent lawyer will be able to defend your actions. It'll be your word against the criminals. And he was doing what at the time? Oh yeah, he was commiting a crime.

I think alot of people have become so afraid of legal action, being sued or arrested, that often times many can lose sight of the most important objectives- to keep yourself and your family safe. I agree with the Doc, why shouldn't I be able to investigate a disturbance on my own property?!?! Doesn't that seem a little convaluted? The law states that if you or a member of your family feels threatened, you have the right to defend yourself- well, a 12 guage can only "defend" so well. ;)

I would urge you to do a little case history research regarding home invasion shootings, and 'defensive shootings' in general.

I reciprocate that and I bet that you would find many MORE cases where the shooter was not prosecuted. It will depend on state and circumstances such as whether or not the suspect was shot in the back. Hell, let's even say that you do get prosecuted, I know I would rather be in the slammer than let my wife or child be killed or even something worse. You have to stand on principle and what's right, not simply cower because you're afraid of the legal repercussions that may arise for defending your family. You aren't of much help to them if your dead.
Greg
BTW- I'm not implying that anyone HERE is cowering because they're afraid of being sued, it was just a point.

Heh, I am behind both of you guys 100%. I just have seen too many cases where the good guy gets screwed. We live in a a world that is so PC is makes me ill. The criminals are no longer the criminals. It is the law abiding americans like you and I that need to be careful, because we have so much to lose.
And by all means, if someone is threatening yourself or your family, you HAVE to shoot (to stop). I don't know where I ever said not to, as has been implied. My point was, legally speaking in this day and age, just being in someones house is not always just cause for getting perforated. That intruder needs to be presenting as being a "deadly risk" to the homeowners. Sad, but true. Unfortunately, my opinion is not based on my personal feelings about the issue, but rather cases that I've read about.
I also whole heartedly agree with the notion that it's better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6.

And unless you're in TX, don't forget the GoldenRule. You can only shoot to stop if the intruder presents a risk of death or great bodily harm to you or your family. Just being in someones house uninvited does not neccessarliy constitute life or death risk. You better be pretty darn sure that you are truly scared for your life. Ultimately "if you were scared for your life" will be decided by a jury of societys' lowest common denominator. With that in mind, it better be pretty convincing!

This reminds me of the movie Chicago.... "Oh yes, Oh yes, Oh yes they both, Oh yes they both, Oh yes they both reached for, the gun, the gun, the gun, the gun, Oh yes they both reached for the gun!"

First, let me also say that if anybody breaks into my house, I am going to do whatever it takes to protect my family. Materials such as stereo, the x, etc.. are just that materials. Materials can be replaced, my family cannot. If that means shooting and possibly killing someone, then so be it.

Second, there is such a big selection of shotguns to choose from. You don't necessarily have to have a 12 gauge. You could go with a 20 gauge and still protect your family just fine. Five shells is just about the standard for shotguns. You can get some with extended chambers that hold more shells. I work parttime at a sporting goods store selling shotguns and fishing reels. The most shells in one that I have seen there has been 9. Mossberg has some that are really good for home protection. They come with a shorter barrel. Just 1/2" away from being illegal, plus comes with a pistol grip that you can put on. It usually runs for about $250. I have a regular Mossberg 500 20gauge pump that I keep relatively close to the bed. And the pistol stays in the very top of the linen closet where I am the only one in the house that can barely reach it.

Just my two cents.

Or.... for the ultimate in preventitive maintnence, get a good alarm installed... and get a dog.

Yep. I've got an alarm and two dogs (one 70 pounds and one 120 pounds). By the time I load my gun, I may not even need to shoot.

wow..thank u guys for all this info. dogs are good and all but u never know what people can do to dogs. alrams only warn u someoje is in the house and the police in on the way, not there yet. so, it is stll up to us to protect the family.
reason for me to get a 12 or even a 20 gause, not a handgun, cause i suck at shooting. so, hopefully the big-ass bullet can get those intruders before they get to my 2 year old and my wife.
i know in this day and time, everything is a catch 22. but when my family safety in danger, there is no if or but about it. intruder is someone that comes into the house uninvited.....whether it is 3 am or 9 am. they walk in the door uninvited. they better leave before they get cap in the head or ass.
is my life worth losing for the safety of my family, yes. definitely. and there will be a shotgun in the attic where my family is hiding with the cell phone, just in case.

Haha, I WISH I could own a dog... not until I move out of this tiny apartment. What kind of dogs do you have DocV?
An alarm is a good idea just as a car alarm is a good idea. It can be an effective deterrent.
It's nice to see you guys wanting to protect your families. So many people that I run into just think to police will do it for them. You've go to take ultimate responsibility for your well being and the protection of your family.
Something I was going to say earlier, but forgot. Handguns are a pretty good option for home defense too. A Glock is my first go to gun in case of emergency. They don't pack the punch of a shotgun, but are much more manueverable in tight quarters and hold 2-3x more rounds than a shotgun.
It may sound excessive, but an AR15 is a good one too. High capacity, low recoil, cheap ammo (so you can practice often), good knockdown power, and low over penetration. They are darn fun guns to shoot recreationally too!

swak, you and the wifey should go to the range and practice with your new gun every few months. Also make sure it's securely stashed so as to prevent your kid from finding it.

I've got a Weimaraner and a Siberian Husky. The Weim has actually picked up a basketball in his mouth before, if that's any indication of his size.

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I also prefer a pistol. More easily controllable, higher capacity. I use glaser fragmenting rounds to prevent over-penetration.

wow...nice dogs. i like those siberian huskies. they are pretty and the eyes look mean too. how about a few unfed rockrowlers prowling inthe yard....hehe.. i wish.

Man, those are some great dogs! I'd love to get one... someday hopefully I'll have two as well!

If you want a paintball gun ill sell you mine cheap. I never use it anymore. It's a spyder compact with a taso SS barrel. Also, if someone comes in your house and youre gonna shoot him, you better make sure he's dead and inside the house. The cops wouldn;t bother you much if they can tell he broke in. You just say that you thought he was armed. At least in the south that is.

-Justin