Lucas Oil Stabilizer - Ford Explorer Ranger Enthusiasts "Serious Explorations"®

02expsport · 08-08-2002, 09:48 AM

Has/does anyone use any of the Lucas products - and - if so...what do you think of them???

FYI - it does NOT contain PTFE, Chlorine or other 'harmful' additives.

**410Fortune** · 08-08-2002, 11:05 AM

Lucas is some of the best on the market.

with my 2.9L I got a bunch of compression back by running some in my crankcase. It is also great for Diff's and dying slush boxes.

What do you want to use it for on a 2002?

*aldive* · 08-08-2002, 11:13 AM

I see no use for these type products.

*Raceit* · 08-08-2002, 11:55 AM

Why don't you use a thicker oil? Like 20w-50 during the summer time?

**410Fortune** · 08-08-2002, 12:04 PM

Actually the use for Lucas is mostly to squeeze more life from worn diff's engine's, etc...high mileage.

The Lucas oil addative (honey) is pure petroleum. It sticks to everything, unlike 20W-50 which will drain down into the crankcase. Lucas is good stuff and has a ton of applications. There are some good products out there, you are right most of them are gimmiks, but there are a few that work, like BG fuel system cleaner. It works, so does there radiator sealer, and their oil addative. Red Lines watter wetter and fuel system octane boost are also highly regarded.

I only know this stuff because one of my best friends has been in the business for years, his brothers are master mechanics, and they have years and years of experience in just about everything automotive. They basically know their $%&# and when they speak I listen.

*FMExplorer* · 08-08-2002, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aldive
I see no use for these type products.

Why not? You seem to be a proponant of many different types of "hype" products that through your own testing seem to actually work. What experience do you have with Lucas Products specifcally don't you like, or is this intended to be as general a comment as it sounds? And if it is general, what are you basing your comments on?

J

*Hank* · 08-08-2002, 01:14 PM

Damn Jon,

Who went pee-pee in your oatmeal this morning...

*aldive* · 08-08-2002, 01:26 PM

Right on, Hank, that scarisum doesn't deserve me answering.

BUCHVILLEMAN · 08-08-2002, 01:37 PM

ive been thinking about using this product. what kind of cons have you heard or experienced with it? seems like it would work to me.

*FMExplorer* · 08-08-2002, 01:58 PM

Actually Al, it wasn't sarcasm - it was an honest question. If you don't feel it deserves an answer then fine. But it isn't like you to make a judgement without reason. By far, you study the different products you use and each and every result more than anyone I have noticed. Knowing that, I figured you had a basis for your comments. If you don't - that's ok too...

J

*jimbo74* · 08-08-2002, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aldive
Right on, Hank, that scarisum doesn't deserve me answering.

i totally agree with jon.... i too would also like to know aldives answer..... (if you anser it, youll get to add 1 more post to your post counter

:rolleyes)

02expsport · 08-08-2002, 03:22 PM

Lucas is an OK product??? I have read a little about the product and it seems that I could use 1/2 quart per oil change and get CLOSE to the results I would with a synthetic oil. Eliminates dry starts, more resistant to thermal breakdown, etc.

I think I will try it in the rear diff. first. Iwould guess 1/2 Lucas and 1/2 gear oil should do the trick.

Any thoughts????

**410Fortune** · 08-08-2002, 03:25 PM

Lucas has it's purposes, it just depends on what you want to use it for. Obviously dont go pouring a litre of it in a new engine, thats not what it;s made for.

If you have a dying 5 speed or a diff thats worn out, Lucas can help.

It is as thick as honey, it doesnt have all the other unnecessary crap added in it (it;s pure petroleum oil) and it just plain works great, in the right application.

Just like Marvel Mysteery oil, You wouldnt find me adding this stuff to my trucks oil, but I may use it to hel out that old rusty chainsaw, or a few capfulls in the 2 stroke mix can help sometimes too....

*FMExplorer* · 08-08-2002, 03:28 PM

Well - 1st question I have is do you have a LS rear end? If so, I would be careful using it. The Ford LS doesn't like synthetic oil (at least the 1st gen Ex doesn't - and I think they are all the same). For the rear axle with a LS you should be running 80W 90 (5.3 pints) with 3-5 oz. of LS additive.

I would have no oproblems running it in an engine. It isn't the kind of stuff meant to seal leaks - it is designed to help oil stay where it belongs when the enginge isn't running.

J

**410Fortune** · 08-08-2002, 03:28 PM

There is no need for Lucas in a 2002. It is made for WORN out parts.

You would be better off with a bottle of Pro Long or slick 50 if you are worried about dry starts. Personally I just stick with Mobile One full synth 10W-30, it worked for years in my 180K mile 2.9L and now in my 100K mile 4.0L.....

Pro Long and slick 50 may help when you are starting, but dont expect it to keep your 2002 SOHC running with a firehose spraying at the crankshaft while you pour sand into the valve covers.......

A little lucas will never hurt, but there is really no need for it in your 2002.

BUCHVILLEMAN · 08-08-2002, 03:36 PM

so what benefits would it serve for my 150k+ motor? tranyn should be okay as its my third. gear lube is cool just got changed - tcase earl is all brand new... but the motor is getting alittle aged. i used "engine restore" one time and i think it worked i felt a little more peppy and it was before a long trip and i felt that i got better mileage than normal - but the exhaust smelt liek rotten eggs. thought my cat was bad changed oil and cleard up fine.... wow im on a bunny trail....

so any motor benefits?

*aldive* · 08-08-2002, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FMExplorer
The Ford LS doesn't like synthetic oil (at least the 1st gen Ex doesn't - and I think they are all the same). J

My 99 sure like it; I have been running Mobil 1 for 40k miles with no troubles.

Ask AgExplorer what he thinks of using Amsoil in the LS rear.

**410Fortune** · 08-08-2002, 04:00 PM

If you smelled rotten eggs then most likely you will smell them again and you cat is clogged/all used up.
Besides just being old there is one thing that will kill a cat converter, raw fuel. If your cat goes bad it is most likely because something else is wrong, an 02 sensor is bad, the fuel pressure regulator went out, your MAS is not working properly, etc...

Does your 4.0L leak oil? If yes the Lucas can slow these down

If you do a compression test on your engine before and after the addition of some Lucas you will see an improvement. However I dont really consider 150K mile high miles on a 4.0L, 200K is getting up there, 150K is just slightly used as far as the shortblock is concerned.

Your valvetrain may need some work, but as far as piston rings and what not you are fine. You can crack open a 200K mile 4.0L and you will still not see much wear inside the cylinder walls, they are bulletproof.

Here's the deal. If you want to add lucas go ahead. It is an excellent product and will not hurt anything, But you dont need to add much to your crankcase. When you use Lucas it's all about how much you use.

If you use 3 quarts of lucas and 2 quarts of oil you are going to stress your oil pump big time and do more harm then good.

If you use 4-1/2 quarts of oil and 1/2 quart of Lucas, now you are talking. The lucas will stick to the engine internals and help reduce wear upon startup. The lucas will also help lubricate any worn seals and bring back some lost compression.

read the back of the LUCAS bottle, its got you covered.

Oh and there isnt a Ford engine out there that doesnt benefit from synthetic oil, you wallet benefits the most because it more then pays for itself in gas mileage....

*FMExplorer* · 08-08-2002, 04:01 PM

That's why I referenced the 1st gen in my post - the manual specifically states not to use synthetic...

J

*jimbo74* · 08-08-2002, 04:02 PM

hmmm. what about lucas oil and synthetic oil? or, is this just cancelling out each other?

08-08-2002, 09:48 AM	#1
02expsport Wannabe Elite Explorer Miami, FL. 2002 Explorer Sport Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 46 Vehicle Specs	Lucas Oil Stabilizer Has/does anyone use any of the Lucas products - and - if so...what do you think of them??? FYI - it does NOT contain PTFE, Chlorine or other 'harmful' additives. __________________ Custom exhaust @ 2.5" with a Magnaflow muffler and a SS oval tip, Westin side steps. Sylvania SilverStar bulbs, M1 oil & filter, M1 gear lube, MAC intake.

08-08-2002, 11:05 AM	#2
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 21,658 Vehicle Specs	Lucas is some of the best on the market. with my 2.9L I got a bunch of compression back by running some in my crankcase. It is also great for Diff's and dying slush boxes. What do you want to use it for on a 2002? __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates

08-08-2002, 11:13 AM	#3
aldive Elite Explorer Sarasota, Florida 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,208 Vehicle Specs	I see no use for these type products. __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30

08-08-2002, 11:55 AM	#4
Raceit Elite Explorer Overland Park, KS '91 Explorer 2DR 4WD XL Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 1,189 Vehicle Specs	Why don't you use a thicker oil? Like 20w-50 during the summer time? __________________ -Steve The Kansas City Area Ford Explorers Club

08-08-2002, 12:04 PM	#5
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 21,658 Vehicle Specs	Actually the use for Lucas is mostly to squeeze more life from worn diff's engine's, etc...high mileage. The Lucas oil addative (honey) is pure petroleum. It sticks to everything, unlike 20W-50 which will drain down into the crankcase. Lucas is good stuff and has a ton of applications. There are some good products out there, you are right most of them are gimmiks, but there are a few that work, like BG fuel system cleaner. It works, so does there radiator sealer, and their oil addative. Red Lines watter wetter and fuel system octane boost are also highly regarded. I only know this stuff because one of my best friends has been in the business for years, his brothers are master mechanics, and they have years and years of experience in just about everything automotive. They basically know their $%&# and when they speak I listen. __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates

08-08-2002, 01:14 PM	#7
Hank Elite Explorer Cape Coral, FL '91 EB Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 996 Vehicle Specs	Damn Jon, Who went pee-pee in your oatmeal this morning... __________________ "Pain heals, chicks dig scars, glory lasts forever..." www.grimmick.com/personal www.flexplorers.com Bye bye Army Bauer It's been fun I bought an AWD Astro Van :p New project time!! Project Army Bauer My A4LD Project:But not near as good a Glacier's A4LD diary Page 1-5 parts sources and babbling, page 6+ is where the story gets good.

08-08-2002, 01:26 PM	#8
aldive Elite Explorer Sarasota, Florida 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,208 Vehicle Specs	Right on, Hank, that scarisum doesn't deserve me answering. __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30

08-08-2002, 01:37 PM	#9
BUCHVILLEMAN Wannabe Elite Explorer Buckville, Florida 95' xlt Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,317 Vehicle Specs	ive been thinking about using this product. what kind of cons have you heard or experienced with it? seems like it would work to me. __________________ Gabe

08-08-2002, 01:58 PM	#10
FMExplorer the original tramp Fort Myers, FL '99 Explorer EB Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 1,996 Vehicle Specs	Actually Al, it wasn't sarcasm - it was an honest question. If you don't feel it deserves an answer then fine. But it isn't like you to make a judgement without reason. By far, you study the different products you use and each and every result more than anyone I have noticed. Knowing that, I figured you had a basis for your comments. If you don't - that's ok too... J __________________ Jon McLeod 2002 Harley Davidson F150 #6792 visit Florida Explorer Club

08-08-2002, 03:22 PM	#12
02expsport Wannabe Elite Explorer Miami, FL. 2002 Explorer Sport Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 46 Vehicle Specs	Ok, then Lucas is an OK product??? I have read a little about the product and it seems that I could use 1/2 quart per oil change and get CLOSE to the results I would with a synthetic oil. Eliminates dry starts, more resistant to thermal breakdown, etc. I think I will try it in the rear diff. first. Iwould guess 1/2 Lucas and 1/2 gear oil should do the trick. Any thoughts???? __________________ Custom exhaust @ 2.5" with a Magnaflow muffler and a SS oval tip, Westin side steps. Sylvania SilverStar bulbs, M1 oil & filter, M1 gear lube, MAC intake.

08-08-2002, 03:25 PM	#13
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 21,658 Vehicle Specs	Lucas has it's purposes, it just depends on what you want to use it for. Obviously dont go pouring a litre of it in a new engine, thats not what it;s made for. If you have a dying 5 speed or a diff thats worn out, Lucas can help. It is as thick as honey, it doesnt have all the other unnecessary crap added in it (it;s pure petroleum oil) and it just plain works great, in the right application. Just like Marvel Mysteery oil, You wouldnt find me adding this stuff to my trucks oil, but I may use it to hel out that old rusty chainsaw, or a few capfulls in the 2 stroke mix can help sometimes too.... __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates

08-08-2002, 03:28 PM	#14
FMExplorer the original tramp Fort Myers, FL '99 Explorer EB Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 1,996 Vehicle Specs	Well - 1st question I have is do you have a LS rear end? If so, I would be careful using it. The Ford LS doesn't like synthetic oil (at least the 1st gen Ex doesn't - and I think they are all the same). For the rear axle with a LS you should be running 80W 90 (5.3 pints) with 3-5 oz. of LS additive. I would have no oproblems running it in an engine. It isn't the kind of stuff meant to seal leaks - it is designed to help oil stay where it belongs when the enginge isn't running. J __________________ Jon McLeod 2002 Harley Davidson F150 #6792 visit Florida Explorer Club

08-08-2002, 03:36 PM	#16
BUCHVILLEMAN Wannabe Elite Explorer Buckville, Florida 95' xlt Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,317 Vehicle Specs	so what benefits would it serve for my 150k+ motor? tranyn should be okay as its my third. gear lube is cool just got changed - tcase earl is all brand new... but the motor is getting alittle aged. i used "engine restore" one time and i think it worked i felt a little more peppy and it was before a long trip and i felt that i got better mileage than normal - but the exhaust smelt liek rotten eggs. thought my cat was bad changed oil and cleard up fine.... wow im on a bunny trail.... so any motor benefits? __________________ Gabe

08-08-2002, 04:00 PM	#18
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 21,658 Vehicle Specs	If you smelled rotten eggs then most likely you will smell them again and you cat is clogged/all used up. Besides just being old there is one thing that will kill a cat converter, raw fuel. If your cat goes bad it is most likely because something else is wrong, an 02 sensor is bad, the fuel pressure regulator went out, your MAS is not working properly, etc... Does your 4.0L leak oil? If yes the Lucas can slow these down If you do a compression test on your engine before and after the addition of some Lucas you will see an improvement. However I dont really consider 150K mile high miles on a 4.0L, 200K is getting up there, 150K is just slightly used as far as the shortblock is concerned. Your valvetrain may need some work, but as far as piston rings and what not you are fine. You can crack open a 200K mile 4.0L and you will still not see much wear inside the cylinder walls, they are bulletproof. Here's the deal. If you want to add lucas go ahead. It is an excellent product and will not hurt anything, But you dont need to add much to your crankcase. When you use Lucas it's all about how much you use. If you use 3 quarts of lucas and 2 quarts of oil you are going to stress your oil pump big time and do more harm then good. If you use 4-1/2 quarts of oil and 1/2 quart of Lucas, now you are talking. The lucas will stick to the engine internals and help reduce wear upon startup. The lucas will also help lubricate any worn seals and bring back some lost compression. read the back of the LUCAS bottle, its got you covered. Oh and there isnt a Ford engine out there that doesnt benefit from synthetic oil, you wallet benefits the most because it more then pays for itself in gas mileage.... __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates

08-08-2002, 04:01 PM	#19
FMExplorer the original tramp Fort Myers, FL '99 Explorer EB Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 1,996 Vehicle Specs	That's why I referenced the 1st gen in my post - the manual specifically states not to use synthetic... J __________________ Jon McLeod 2002 Harley Davidson F150 #6792 visit Florida Explorer Club

08-08-2002, 04:02 PM	#20
jimbo74 Elite Ranger NorCal 98 XLT Supercab 4x2 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,627 Vehicle Specs*	hmmm. what about lucas oil and synthetic oil? or, is this just cancelling out each other? __________________ My Truck