On Ebay..What is it??? - Ford Explorer Ranger Enthusiasts "Serious Explorations"®

**Bill Kemp** · 08-08-2002, 04:32 PM

Anyone have an idea as to what this new (Scam?) thing is?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1849786396

**section525** · 08-08-2002, 04:33 PM

Scam. We've talked about these things on here pretty recently.

*jimbo74* · 08-08-2002, 04:34 PM

your stock exhuast already does that.... Exhuast Gas Recirculation Valve-- EGR Valve

GR899V8 · 08-08-2002, 05:19 PM

Maybe he'll trade for magnets on the gas line!

*jimbo74* · 08-08-2002, 05:35 PM

if i add that to my tornado i will have a lot of extra power

lol

*Positive Vibes* · 08-08-2002, 05:36 PM

You funny Jim!!! LOL

*dogfriend* · 08-08-2002, 07:41 PM

Not only is this a scam, but check out this guys rating by people he has sold to. He has 7 negatives / 17 total. A couple of negatives are for people that bought the 'exhaust recirculator' and never got it after sending payment.

He is also selling another device he calls 'oxygen sensor recalibrator'. If you read the description of how it supposedly works, there are some inconsistent statements which make me believe that he doesn't really know how it is supposed to work either.

**Doug** · 08-08-2002, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimabena74
if i add that to my tornado i will have a lot of extra power lol

Dont forget to add the electric supercharger in there they help out alot too!

**james t** · 08-09-2002, 01:43 AM

actually, what he is selling is supposed to eliminate the EGR. in theory, you "block off" the EGR, now you no longer have small amount of exhaust gas going into the intake charge, intake charge is now cooler/denser, thus creating more power. my question, (as i have asked before) is this guy says it wont throw a CEL. how? EGR is tied into program, i say there is no way. it HAS to throw a CEL... i think im gonna make a hose that runs from A/C ducts to intake. that way you get much colder intake charge than outside temps. think it would be worth $50 on e-bay?

*jimbo74* · 08-09-2002, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Namitey

Dont forget to add the electric supercharger in there they help out alot too!

maybe ill get a 5 gallon air tank and plumb it into the intake tube.... it will be like nos but isnt explosive!--forced air induction, baby!

**james t** · 08-09-2002, 02:03 AM

thats even better than my A/C idea! it will also reduce emissions, due to the leaner intake charge. what about running the air line through the electric charger? then, you would proly get at least 6-8 lbs of boost.

*Robert* · 08-09-2002, 12:08 PM

What about running the end of your tail pipe into your intake hose? That way you can have not only forced induction, but since it will be come a closed loop system, once you fill your gas tank up, you will never need gas again.

MyExpWork · 08-09-2002, 02:08 PM

LMAO Robert...

*dogfriend* · 08-09-2002, 04:42 PM

What does Ebay do if someone reports that this guy is scamming people? Would they take him off or do they just ignore it?

I feel bad for people that waste their money on something like this. I'm usually all for Darwinism but not many people in the general population would have the knowledge to see through this.

I'm also amazed that he has gotten positive reviews from some people on this crap. He does have a really high number of negatives though. I've seen other people have hundreds of transactions with no negatives, yet this guy now has 8 neg /17 reviews.

Oh, on the subject of disabling EGR to improve performance, I reread that section in the Ford Fuel Injection and Engine Control book by Charles Probst (very highly recommended if you are interested in this stuff and I am because I'm an engineer

).

Basically you probably shouldn't bother because the EGR only is on during warm cruise strategy (read the book to see what a strategy is). It gets turned off the rest of the time so it doesn't really affect power during acceleration. If you disable it you will probably adversely affect gas mileage and emissions during warm cruise because the computer adjusts fuel/air ratio to compensate for EGR flow. And it will probably turn on the CEL unless you come up with some scheme to fool the EGR pressure sensor.

Also if you read this book and the info of how fuel / air ratios are controlled by the computer, then read his(ebay) description of how his "oxygen sensor recalibrator" works, it becomes very apparent that Mr. Scam is a moron on that concept as well.

*dogfriend* · 08-09-2002, 06:01 PM

I just posted this to the rules and safety people at Ebay:

Item 1849786396

I believe that this item is fraudulent. I believe that it does not perform the function described by the seller. Furthermore, even if this item works as described, I believe that it is illegal to sell or use this item in some states (i.e. California) because it attempts to defeat certain functions of the emission control system. The seller is also offering other items which I believe are fraudulent or illegal for the same reasons above.

The message on the Ebay site says to give them up to 36 hours to investigate.

*Muskrat* · 08-09-2002, 07:18 PM

I love it when a plan comes together

*dogfriend* · 08-14-2002, 08:26 PM

I just did a search on ebay to see if this guy is still scamming people and I got " This seller is not currently offering any items for sale. "

woohoo

*diablo5969* · 08-14-2002, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Sorry, I do not have a picture of this so please do not ask.

Can we say scam?

08-08-2002, 04:32 PM	#1
Bill Kemp Elite Explorer Moderator Greenville, MI 98 Mountaineer 5.0 AWD Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 4,575 Vehicle Specs	On Ebay..What is it??? Anyone have an idea as to what this new (Scam?) thing is? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1849786396 __________________ Bill Kemp Mods to come..... 07 Lincoln MKX Clones are people two.

08-08-2002, 04:33 PM	#2
section525 sextion525 Red Bluff, Ca 1996 XLT V8 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 13,096 Vehicle Specs	Scam. We've talked about these things on here pretty recently. __________________ 1996 Explorer 5.0L 2004 F250 6.0L 2009 Jetta TDI

08-08-2002, 04:34 PM	#3
jimbo74 Elite Ranger NorCal 98 XLT Supercab 4x2 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,627 Vehicle Specs*	your stock exhuast already does that.... Exhuast Gas Recirculation Valve-- EGR Valve __________________ My Truck

08-08-2002, 05:19 PM	#4
GR899V8 Wannabe Elite Explorer Oregon City, Oregon '99 Limited V8 4WD Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 218 Vehicle Specs	Maybe he'll trade for magnets on the gas line! __________________ '99 Limited V8, BW 4406 maunal xfer case, 305-70-16 Pro Comp XTerrain's, Optima red top, 200 amp alt., (6) KC lights on motor-driven light bar, Warn 8000# Multi-mount winch, 4" Superlift, 3" BL, TT & shackle lift, onboard air, ARB locker in rear, 4.56 gears, Apten chip.

08-08-2002, 05:35 PM	#5
jimbo74 Elite Ranger NorCal 98 XLT Supercab 4x2 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 17,627 Vehicle Specs*	if i add that to my tornado i will have a lot of extra power lol __________________ My Truck

08-08-2002, 05:36 PM	#6
Positive Vibes Elite Explorer Santa Cruz, Ca '94 XLT Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,090 Vehicle Specs	You funny Jim!!! LOL __________________ '94 XLT, 5.5" superlift, cat back flowmaster, KKM, custom rocksliders, 33X12.5 XTerrains, 4.10's, custom bumpers, Detroit in 8.8, on board air, ARB locker in front winch,etc. What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor have it, The rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?

08-08-2002, 07:41 PM	#7
dogfriend Human-Animal Hybrid Carmichael, CA '97 Sport 4x4 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8,234 Vehicle Specs	What a scam Not only is this a scam, but check out this guys rating by people he has sold to. He has 7 negatives / 17 total. A couple of negatives are for people that bought the 'exhaust recirculator' and never got it after sending payment. He is also selling another device he calls 'oxygen sensor recalibrator'. If you read the description of how it supposedly works, there are some inconsistent statements which make me believe that he doesn't really know how it is supposed to work either.

08-09-2002, 01:43 AM	#9
james t moderation Texarkana AR/TX 94 SAS sport Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,642 Vehicle Specs	actually, what he is selling is supposed to eliminate the EGR. in theory, you "block off" the EGR, now you no longer have small amount of exhaust gas going into the intake charge, intake charge is now cooler/denser, thus creating more power. my question, (as i have asked before) is this guy says it wont throw a CEL. how? EGR is tied into program, i say there is no way. it HAS to throw a CEL... i think im gonna make a hose that runs from A/C ducts to intake. that way you get much colder intake charge than outside temps. think it would be worth $50 on e-bay? __________________ my rebuild

08-09-2002, 02:03 AM	#11
james t moderation Texarkana AR/TX 94 SAS sport Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,642 Vehicle Specs	thats even better than my A/C idea! it will also reduce emissions, due to the leaner intake charge. what about running the air line through the electric charger? then, you would proly get at least 6-8 lbs of boost. __________________ my rebuild

08-09-2002, 12:08 PM	#12
Robert Elite Explorer Mesa, AZ '97 4x4 Sport Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 3,974 Vehicle Specs	What about running the end of your tail pipe into your intake hose? That way you can have not only forced induction, but since it will be come a closed loop system, once you fill your gas tank up, you will never need gas again. __________________ 4.56 Powertrax No-Slip, SOHC V6, SuperChip, K&N FIPK (#57-2513-1), Borla cat-back (#14748), 2" torsion lift, 3" PA body lift (#853), Monroe Reflex shocks, 285 75R16 BF Goodrich T/A ko, 2WD mod Earnhardt Ford, Berge Ford, U-Haul My Explorer Last edited by Robert; 08-09-2002 at 03:02 PM.

08-09-2002, 02:08 PM	#13
MyExpWork Wannabe Elite Explorer Camarillo, CA 1991 4-door 4X4 XLT Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,371 Vehicle Specs	LMAO Robert... __________________ 1999 MBZ C280 2005 Ford Escape

08-09-2002, 04:42 PM	#14
dogfriend Human-Animal Hybrid Carmichael, CA '97 Sport 4x4 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8,234 Vehicle Specs	seriously What does Ebay do if someone reports that this guy is scamming people? Would they take him off or do they just ignore it? I feel bad for people that waste their money on something like this. I'm usually all for Darwinism but not many people in the general population would have the knowledge to see through this. I'm also amazed that he has gotten positive reviews from some people on this crap. He does have a really high number of negatives though. I've seen other people have hundreds of transactions with no negatives, yet this guy now has 8 neg /17 reviews. Oh, on the subject of disabling EGR to improve performance, I reread that section in the Ford Fuel Injection and Engine Control book by Charles Probst (very highly recommended if you are interested in this stuff and I am because I'm an engineer ). Basically you probably shouldn't bother because the EGR only is on during warm cruise strategy (read the book to see what a strategy is). It gets turned off the rest of the time so it doesn't really affect power during acceleration. If you disable it you will probably adversely affect gas mileage and emissions during warm cruise because the computer adjusts fuel/air ratio to compensate for EGR flow. And it will probably turn on the CEL unless you come up with some scheme to fool the EGR pressure sensor. Also if you read this book and the info of how fuel / air ratios are controlled by the computer, then read his(ebay) description of how his "oxygen sensor recalibrator" works, it becomes very apparent that Mr. Scam is a moron on that concept as well. Last edited by dogfriend; 08-09-2002 at 06:09 PM.

08-09-2002, 06:01 PM	#15
dogfriend Human-Animal Hybrid Carmichael, CA '97 Sport 4x4 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8,234 Vehicle Specs	busted? I just posted this to the rules and safety people at Ebay: Item 1849786396 I believe that this item is fraudulent. I believe that it does not perform the function described by the seller. Furthermore, even if this item works as described, I believe that it is illegal to sell or use this item in some states (i.e. California) because it attempts to defeat certain functions of the emission control system. The seller is also offering other items which I believe are fraudulent or illegal for the same reasons above. The message on the Ebay site says to give them up to 36 hours to investigate.

08-09-2002, 07:18 PM	#16
Muskrat Elite Explorer Califon, NJ USA!! 97 Ranger STX Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,520 Vehicle Specs	I love it when a plan comes together __________________ I'm the evil little leprechan, according to Tuna

08-14-2002, 08:26 PM	#17
dogfriend Human-Animal Hybrid Carmichael, CA '97 Sport 4x4 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8,234 Vehicle Specs	In case anyone is interested... I just did a search on ebay to see if this guy is still scamming people and I got " This seller is not currently offering any items for sale. " woohoo