2006 Explorer 6 speed transmission shifting issue - update

[Bill MacLeod]

An issue that occurs early in a vehicle while it is still under warranty means it will get fixed under warranty. When the issue re-occurs or occurs later when the vehicle is out of warranty should constitute a warranty fix.
Also when a vehicle is surging 12 inches when comming to a stop due to a known mechanical defect it is a safety concern and that constitues a recall. The unfortunate thing is that people will need to be injured or killed before Ford will even blink.
Firestone??? I still remember.

Fire488
A TSB is a guide issued to all ford dealers with respect to a repair of a certain problem. This "guide' is for the technician. A TSB is not a recall, but the repair will be honoured under the bumper to bumper warranty. When a vehicle is out of warrant, at least the bumper to bumper, then the cost to do the repair is billed to the owner.
I agree with you than this bump shift is a safety hazard, but a recall has not and probably won't ever be issued.
My 06 had the TSB done in June of 2008, 6 months prior to my purchase and was done with very low miles on it. I do have a slight hesitation on the 2-1 shift at times, coming to a stop, but does not kick/slam into gear. So the "fix" does work.
If you read the TSB, there is a certain procedure that must be followed. If a tech was to take a "shortcut", then the results may not be satisfactory.
Hopefully you get this sorted out to your satisfaction.
Best Regards

 

[waskly]

An issue that occurs early in a vehicle while it is still under warranty means it will get fixed under warranty. When the issue re-occurs or occurs later when the vehicle is out of warranty should constitute a warranty fix.
Also when a vehicle is surging 12 inches when comming to a stop due to a known mechanical defect it is a safety concern and that constitues a recall. The unfortunate thing is that people will need to be injured or killed before Ford will even blink.
Firestone??? I still remember.

you, yourself stated you dealth with it for over 2 1/2 years.... i mean... really...

its your fault. not fords. period.

its like the your mechanic says you need brakes, you go im in a hurry and cant do them, then cry 2 months later why the car dont stop and the pedal is to the floor, and a 200 dollar brake job now is over 1000..... since you need calipers, rotors, and brakes now.

your person killed its your car, go get it fixed, or deal with it.

ford does not drive your vehicle you do.

 

[Fire488]

Fire488
A TSB is a guide issued to all ford dealers with respect to a repair of a certain problem. This "guide' is for the technician. A TSB is not a recall, but the repair will be honoured under the bumper to bumper warranty. When a vehicle is out of warrant, at least the bumper to bumper, then the cost to do the repair is billed to the owner.
I agree with you than this bump shift is a safety hazard, but a recall has not and probably won't ever be issued.
My 06 had the TSB done in June of 2008, 6 months prior to my purchase and was done with very low miles on it. I do have a slight hesitation on the 2-1 shift at times, coming to a stop, but does not kick/slam into gear. So the "fix" does work.
If you read the TSB, there is a certain procedure that must be followed. If a tech was to take a "shortcut", then the results may not be satisfactory.
Hopefully you get this sorted out to your satisfaction.
Best Regards

I agree with most of what you wrote here. I am hoping that it improves. I will most likely trade it in if it doesn't. The dealer i spoke with said that it woill not be held against me.

 

[Fire488]

you, yourself stated you dealth with it for over 2 1/2 years.... i mean... really...

its your fault. not fords. period.

its like the your mechanic says you need brakes, you go im in a hurry and cant do them, then cry 2 months later why the car dont stop and the pedal is to the floor, and a 200 dollar brake job now is over 1000..... since you need calipers, rotors, and brakes now.

your person killed its your car, go get it fixed, or deal with it.

ford does not drive your vehicle you do.

Forgive me for not totally comprehending your meaning here. Are you suggesting that when there is a mechanical defect in a vehicle that it is the driver's fault for driving the vehicle?

The problem with the Tranny is software related and according to the dealer will never hurt the car in any way by driving it this way.
I could not bring the truck back that is true, but you read my reasons, the problem was there when the vehicle was new and is still there so it is ABSOLUTELY Ford's problem and I will pay for it.
Did you blame the people that were killed or maimed from the defective tires that Ford installed on their vehicles? Or should they have just pushed the vehicle?

I am completely sure that Ford is very happy to have supportive customers like you that will stand behind them through thick and thin.
Ford will NOT throw you a bone for sucking up to them people.

 

[waskly]

Forgive me for not totally comprehending your meaning here. Are you suggesting that when there is a mechanical defect in a vehicle that it is the driver's fault for driving the vehicle?

The problem with the Tranny is software related and according to the dealer will never hurt the car in any way by driving it this way.
I could not bring the truck back that is true, but you read my reasons, the problem was there when the vehicle was new and is still there so it is ABSOLUTELY Ford's problem and I will pay for it.
Did you blame the people that were killed or maimed from the defective tires that Ford installed on their vehicles? Or should they have just pushed the vehicle?

I am completely sure that Ford is very happy to have supportive customers like you that will stand behind them through thick and thin.
Ford will NOT throw you a bone for sucking up to them people.

first of all, lets get something clear, a new car, with in the first 3 years / 36k miles is BUMPER TO BUMPER.

what does this mean.

its broken, i call a number, it goes to the dealership and i get a loaner car while my car is in the shop. period. no down time execpt i get drive something that is not my car.

if they dont give out loaners they reimburse you for the rental.


now we can pull the firestone card out. but if you will play this card, why the #### was that same exact tire recalled 2-3 years later off of ever suv on the road. chevy, nissan, dodge, and toyota.

sorry but ford does not own firestone and cant control there production line.
you can say one thing tho for ford, they stepped up to the plate, and didnt tell you to go to a firestone store to get replacement tires like they did with every other mfg.

as for the mechanical defect yes, its your fault. you should not operate something that is unsafe. PERIOD!

would you still cook dinner if your stove had a gas leak? but cmon its a small leak, wont hurt anybody.....

 

[willied]

We had Firestone tires on our 2000 Expedition originally and when they were recalled we had 40,000 miles on them. So we got brand new Michelins for free. Pretty sweet. The Firestone problem had to do with under-inflated tires anyway.

 

[waskly]

We had Firestone tires on our 2000 Expedition originally and when they were recalled we had 40,000 miles on them. So we got brand new Michelins for free. Pretty sweet. The Firestone problem had to do with under-inflated tires anyway.

firestone problem had nothing to do with pressure, it had to do with mfg and how the sidewalls would fold under the weight of the truck and actually blow out during maneuvers.

 

[rickybobby]

firestone problem had nothing to do with pressure, it had to do with mfg and how the sidewalls would fold under the weight of the truck and actually blow out during maneuvers.

there was one batch of roughly 5000 bad tires. the biggest problem was the tires were engineered to run 30 to 44 psi and ford recomended tire pressure was only 26 psi. i ran a set of recalled tires (that i uninstalled during the recall) for 50k and had no problems with them what so ever.

 

[willied]

firestone problem had nothing to do with pressure, it had to do with mfg and how the sidewalls would fold under the weight of the truck and actually blow out during maneuvers.

It was partly the pressure of the tires. But it was also the Firestone tire's design.

 

[waskly]

It was partly the pressure of the tires. But it was also the Firestone tire's design.

thats why they also recalled the tire off every other suv?

nobody cared over durango's, jimmys etc they were so few compared to explorers. what was it, in mid size suv owners 7 or 8 out of 10 were explorers?

 

[willied]

thats why they also recalled the tire off every other suv?

nobody cared over durango's, jimmys etc they were so few compared to explorers. what was it, in mid size suv owners 7 or 8 out of 10 were explorers?

If the tire was inflated higher like it could have been the blowouts would not have been nearly as common.

 

[Fire488]

@ Waskly!
I don't know what Ford is paying you here, but it is very evident that you wll support them no matter how many people they kill in the name of money. I like Ford too, but can admit when they are wrong.

Please stop hijacking this post or I will report you to a forum's moderator.
Keep the posts on topic or keep your opinions to yourself.

 

[waskly]

@ Waskly!
I don't know what Ford is paying you here, but it is very evident that you wll support them no matter how many people they kill in the name of money. I like Ford too, but can admit when they are wrong.

Please stop hijacking this post or I will report you to a forum's moderator.
Keep the posts on topic or keep your opinions to yourself.

i get paid good from ford. i cant complain over my weekly paycheck or yearly income.

that has nothing to do with the pure simple fact.

when a vehicle is unsafe, or you feel its unsafe. IT DOES NOT MEAN TO OPERATE THE VEHICLE. regardless of mfg.

i really dont know how else to spell this out to you.

it does not mean, drive the car till you, yourself get hurt or someone else.

 

[panteramatt]

Ok, so my wifes mounty has the same problems and shifts like crap. Still under warrenty so I want it fixed. Took it in a while ago and they said it was fine so Im goin to a different dealer. Can you guys tell me the tsb and wher eI can print it out to show them what I want done? Its the only thing I hate about this truck and really holds the v8 back.

 

[willied]

TSB 8-24-4

Publication Date: November 20, 2008

FORD: 2006-2008 Explorer
2007-2008 Explorer Sport Trac
MERCURY: 2006-2008 Mountaineer


This article supersedes TSB 08-4-16 to update the Service Procedure.

ISSUE:
Some 2006-2008 Explorer, Mountaineer and 2007-2008 Explorer Sport Trac vehicles equipped with a 6R60 transmission may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop less than 10 MPH (16 Km/h). The following procedure will improve the bump felt while braking to a stop.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR / REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.



Install Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) / Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS) or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
Update the powertrain control module (PCM) and transmission control module (TCM) calibration using IDS release 57.11 and higher or 58.2 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2008.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the Programmable Module Installation (PMI) function to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
NOTE: AUTHORIZATION DECAL NOT REQUIRED.



Verify that the TCM Calibration shows 8L2P-7J104-AC, (8L2P-7J104-CC for builds after 12/3/2007) part number after reprogramming is complete.
Select the following from the IDS tool, Toolbox, Powertrain, OBD Test Modes, Mode Level 9 Vehicle Info, TCM Cal Part Number.

Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
Using IDS:
Open Toolbox.
Choose Powertrain.
Choose Reset KAM.
Then Choose TCM.
Using PDS:
Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
Scroll down the menu and Choose Reset TCM KAM.
NOTE: FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.



NOTE: UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM. IT IS CRITICAL THAT TCM KAM BE CLEARED PRIOR TO RELEARNING THE ADAPTIVE TABLES FOR THE TRANSMISSION.



NOTE: DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.



Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175° F (80° C). If it is not at 175° F (80° C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
NOTE: TFT MUST BE AT 175° F (80° C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.



NOTE: PERFORM ADAPTIVE SHIFT STRATEGY LEARN ON LEVEL SURFACE ROAD.



Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn.
Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.
Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).
Repeat steps (a-b) five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.
Accelerate from rest with light throttle. The 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts occur at engine speeds between 1700-2000 RPM.
Continue to accelerate gently to 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least ten (10) seconds.
Repeat Steps (d-f) a total of three (3) times.
NOTE: THE HARSH BUMP FELT WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE IMPROVED. HOWEVER, SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING MAY BE REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.




WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits

 

[rickybobby]

Ok, so my wifes mounty has the same problems and shifts like crap. Still under warrenty so I want it fixed. Took it in a while ago and they said it was fine so Im goin to a different dealer. Can you guys tell me the tsb and wher eI can print it out to show them what I want done? Its the only thing I hate about this truck and really holds the v8 back.

the tsb's are close to the beginning of the thread

 

[BrooklynBay]

What is the number of the TSB in post # 275? It says that the article supersedes TSB 08-4-16, but doesn't list the actual number. Could you update the post?

 

[willied]

what is the number of the tsb in post # 275? It says that the article supersedes tsb 08-4-16, but doesn't list the actual number. Could you update the post?

8-24-4

 

[panteramatt]

Does the 8-24-4 tsb also improve shifting during acceleration?

 

[willied]

It should help in the low gears. I haven't gotten it done yet, but I am hoping it fixes the jerk that I have sometimes going from the 1st to 2nd gear.