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Bad or Burnt Exhaust smell in cabin during acceleration.

Discussion in 'Stock 2011 - 2018 Ford Explorer Discussion' started by 1banger, July 24, 2011.


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    1. blwnsmoke

      blwnsmoke Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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      And what happens when stock drops? That amount us only good if he sold now. And if it goes up, he gets more. That is why I don't like taking into account that as the original post was made to sound that's what was deposited into his bank account.

      And, Fields has been huge in getting Ford turned around and out of the recession. He should be paid for it.
       
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    3. Sixonemale

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      And what happens when stock drops?

      Share price goes down. When stock options are issued, they are issued at a specific strike price and usually to a ten year term, vesting at 25% per year over the first four years. So he has ten years to either sell his stock options or exercise them per expiration date. In addition to having a lengthy period of time to sell his stock options, I’m fairly confident he also has a golden parachute should they ever want to nix his contract. So if his currently issued stock options go down, he has plenty of time, or about ten years, for them to get back in the black.

      That amount us only good if he sold now. And if it goes up, he gets more. That is why I don't like taking into account that as the original post was made to sound that's what was deposited into his bank account.

      I’m not sure what you are talking about here. In 2016 he cashed out a boatload of stock options, either be selling them, exercising them, or by disposition, to the monetary amount of about $20 million. And yes that $20 million is added to his salary in 2016 as part of his annual compensation. Since we are talking about annual compensation, he made well north of $20 million in 2016 from his salary and stock options, it’s in plain view. I can't tell you what amount he put into his bank account after taxes, but his 2016 annual compensation was $20 million plus, probably around $24 million.

      And, Fields has been huge in getting Ford turned around and out of the recession. He should be paid for it.

      And no else could have done this job with Ford Credit borrowing billions of dollars coupled with low interest rates and subprime car loans over eight and ten year periods as opposed the standard five year car loan period. Almost all auto manufacturers have done extremely well over the past five years or so. I’m sure he is talented, but everyone is replaceable. I also think the auto industry has peaked out and will soon face lots of challenges with low used car prices, in addition to some of these subprime car loans failing. They will certainly make lots on service.
       
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    4. peterk9

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      This thread is on Bad or Burnt Exhaust, not on Mr. Fields' income.
      Please stick to the topic. Thanks.

      Peter
       
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      we have had the exhaust smell in the cab on WOT. I took it to the dealer last week because it is a CPO car, they said this wouldn't fall under the CPO warranty. They could not duplicate the issue however they did the hvac system update for me for 40$ and said if it comes back it will need the rest of the new TSB. The dealer said it would cost me 2500$+ out of pocket and to maybe get in touch with ford to see what they can do. What a joke
       
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      Your dealer is correct in that the issue is not listed as a covered item under the CPO warranty.

      Peter
       
    7. thefranchise713

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      Worse and worse, my Explorer seems to be afflicted with this WOT issue. I'm taking it to NC in 2 weeks from NY, need to get this fixed fast or my vacation will be axed...

      Anyone getting it with the 2.3L?
       
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      I have an Explorer XLT 2013 and whenever I accelerate more than regular a bad smell, fumes came inside the cabin. I have been dealing with the dalesr but they never fixed and they said it is normal, The dealer Fajardo Ford in Puerto Rico brought the Explorer many times for thiat issue, but never fixed. Now I received a "class action for this problem; in the US District Court , Southern District Florida",
       
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      So, an update on my life with the 2.3L.... changed gas stations, haven't had the problem since!
       
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      I would not consider this a good thing, because changing the fuel or fuel source should not have any effect on physically changing your vehicle to where now all of the sudden there is no exhaust leak into your cabin. What you have done is brought up a very good point though, some owners may have no idea as to whether they have an exhaust leak into their cabin or not because of the type of fuel they use.

      More specifically, carbon monoxide is a tasteless and odorless gas, so unless another exhaust constituent like sulfur dioxide (pungent type of odor), hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg type of odor), hydrocarbons (oil or gas type of odor), nitrogen oxides (sweet type of odor), etc., is giving you an indication via an odor, you would never know you have an exhaust leak into your cabin.
       
    11. peterk9

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      The only I know is that changing gasoline brands can affect the 'sulphur' or 'rotten egg' smell since there is no regulation in the amount of sulphur that can be contained in the gasoline so different brands may have different levels. I agree though, that I can't see how it would affect the exhaust smell which should be different.

      Peter
       
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      I don't know about you, but I have yet to smell odorless exhaust fumes...LOL
       
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      The US Refiner and Importer Tier 3 sulfur standards that began on January 1, 2017, limit sulfur to 10 parts per million on an annual average basis for gasoline. Before January 1, 2017, the limit of sulfur was 30 parts per million on an annual average basis.

      The rotten egg smell is byproduct of combustion, hydrogen sulfide.

      Remember too that the exhaust odor that may enter the passenger compartment of an Explorer happens when it is driven at wide open throttle and with the internal ventilation on recirculate. So, on open throttle it is highly likely that the combustion of fuel is not complete and that could result in the smell of hydrocarbons, sulfur, hydrogen sulfide, nitrogen oxides, etc. Plus I’m not sure if this exhaust that enters the cabin is before or after being treated by the catalytic converter, but again since the combustion is not complete there are plenty of possibilities associated with pollutant odors, more than likely a mix.
       
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      The dealer checked the entire exhaust system and couldn't find any leaks.
       
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      That's great news, but I wonder what you were experiencing previously:

       
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      I have no idea. I was dead set to believing I smelled the same thing everyone else was.

      I have a really good relationship with my tech as well, so I don't for a second believe they were placating me...
       
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      Hey guys. New to this forum, pretty active on an F150 one, and maybe here soon :) My wife is expecting our first child in a few months, and the explorer is at the top of the list to replace her 2007 mercury Milan.... Except for this issue.

      I admit I didn't read all 92 pages. (I am working on it though)

      So a few questions...

      1. Has this been fixed on the 17s? (doesn't seem so)

      2. Does it affect all of them? (again, doesn't seem to)

      3. Is there a way to make this happen during the test drive? (hard acceleration with the AC set to recirculate?)

      Thanks for the help. I'll also be looking for other things to look at during the vehicle inspection, but this is kind of the deal breaker if it puts toxic fumes into the cabin where my wife and child will be.

      BTW, I am considering the 2.3. I have the 2.7 in my F150 and love it.
       
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      I tried (hard acceleration), but I haven't been able to duplicate that odor.
       
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      Like I stated before, I have no issues with any gas fumes inside the cabin. Is there a way to tell if it's just Ecoboost engines, or any model, or a particular section of the country? Or if the air recirculation is on or off at the time of the smell?
       
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      Welcome to the Forum.:wave:
      I had a 2011 and now have a 2017 Platinum and have not had that smell issue. Many that do have it have noticed it as pointed out in #3.
      There have been posts here about the 2.3L Ecoboost not being powerful enough for the Explorer. Here is one thread I found using the 'Search' feature (upper right). http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/2-3l-ecoboost-or-na-3-5l.432221/
      I think the best thing would be to test drive the models with the different engines to see for yourself which is preferable to you. Good luck.

      Peter
       
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      This is interesting to say the least, because it is very likely that police drive these Explorers at wide open throttle and with the internal ventilation on recirculate. In the video they also said there have been over 100 complaints, maybe it was 111 complaints, can't recall exactly, from 2011-2015 Explorer owners. Lastly they've installed CO monitors in their Explorer fleet to insure that this does not happen again.

      As I've said before, carbon monoxide is a tasteless and odorless gas, so unless another exhaust constituent like sulfur dioxide (pungent type of odor), hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg type of odor), hydrocarbons (oil or gas type of odor), nitrogen oxides (sweet type of odor), etc., is giving you an indication via an odor, you would never know you have an exhaust leak into your cabin.
       
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      If it's not "exhaust" fumes, then what else would it be?
       
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      I'm not saying that it's not exhaust fumes, I believe the source is exhaust fumes. I'm simply saying that unless you smell another pollutant in the exhaust like sulfur dioxide (pungent type of odor), hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg type of odor), hydrocarbons (oil or gas type of odor), nitrogen oxides (sweet type of odor), etc. you would not know if carbon monoxide is entering the cabin because it is an odorless gas. The Henderson police force has gone one step beyond this and installed carbon monoxide detectors in their entire fleet of Explorers to ensure they know if this odorless gas is entering the cabin or not.
       
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      Everyone always says "with recirculate on". Is this something that everyone truly experiences (only with recirculate on) or do they just assume that's the case because that's what some source said it should be?

      I'm asking a genuine question because in my situation this is absolutely not the case. I've had a 2013 Explorer Limited 4WD for 4 years now and I have had the exhaust odor since day 1. I had the first TSB done a few months ago and the problem persisted and seemed even worse. I had the 2nd TSB done recently (where I believe they replace the exhaust system) and the problem is still there.

      I've probably put my a/c on recirculate less than 5 times in the 4 years I've owned the truck and the exhaust smell is often. I can't say for sure that it doesn't happen *also when in recirculate, I'm just saying it definitely happens when it's not in recirculate mode.

      FWIW, my exhaust smell problem has always been primarily when I come to a complete stop (usually at a traffic light) after either accelerating hard, driving at a faster speed i.e. interstate, or when pulling a trailer. Basically it seems if the engine works a bit harder then the smell will be strong when I stop at a light.

      I'm not sure what to do at this point. I've had it 'fixed' twice now and it's definitely still there. On the class action card it says if I don't do anything then I'm accepting the agreement of the class action case and I'll get a whopping $150 or something and that I'm no longer allowed any further legal action. How can I get excluded from legal action if I don't do anything?

      Another note-I do have a CO detector in my truck now but it has never gone off.
       
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      You are correct, I am quoting the language in the settlement vs other conditions that some owners say triggers exhaust coming into the cabin. I think the problem or how or why it occurs is semi complex and/or an expensive fix, or there would have been a simple recall rather than a settlement.

      On the other hand, from the settlement notice "Ford denies all allegations of wrongdoing asserted, including that the Class Vehicles are defective and that Ford is liable to any buyer, lessee, or operator of the Class Vehicles under any legal claim. Nonetheless, Ford has agreed to settle the Litigation by providing the benefits described in the Notice."

      I'm willing to bet the next design will have mitigated this problem as well as many other issues that have been brought up in this forum.
       
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