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Betty's "I want to be a mule" progress log thread

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    1. gmanpaint

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    3. Turdle

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      The fluid, no. It was original fluid and kinda reddish like blood. I found the factory dust cap in the pan.

      Now, the pan, that's another story. I just threw it back on because, well, just because now I'm done.

      I blasted the inside with brake cleaner, scrubbed it down with purple power and a hose, and that's enough.
       
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      Can I tease you with a polished pan, I have one I need clear coated? I put the deep one on my Black Coal truck, it made it about 14 quarts to change it all(I drained the TC and had the VB off).

      4R70W pan 9324 polished.jpg
       
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      You ought to drain the TC if you haven't started the truck yet, it holds a gallon.
       
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      I drained a lot from the torque converter, but not all. I didn't want it empty at start up. I ended up using a total of 8 qts to refill.
       
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      Very good, the more you get changed the better. I put eight in mine before starting it, it's usually about six from dry for a stock system(to not overfill at the start). Then with it running you can add all but the last couple of quarts quickly.

      I had a new puddle under the engine yesterday, I think it's from the WP. I need to decide if it's bad enough to do it now, or wait and get my 99 running. I have everything to do the timing chain, so it'll be a big job if I have to go at the WP. I'd rather do it slowly and add external oil filters, and the big trans cooler with T-stat. You know how you tear into something, and you try to do as much nearby as you can?
       
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      For the polished aluminum like that pan, is there a special clear needed to leave it looking polished?
       
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      Any clear will dull it to an extent but should keep the polished look for a few years before it starts to fail.
       
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      I figured that, given the heat of a transmission, or valve covers etc.
       
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      I only remove and add 6 qts (& filter) at a time for unknown transmissions. Wait 6 months and do it again.

      Being that is the first known fluid change (cap in pan), I would be especially wary of adding to much new fluids. That's a lot of detergent going to work on the internal passages. There is sure to be clumps dislodged and hopefully make it to the filter.
       
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      Transmission fluid does not have detergents, but it does have dispersants , which do the same thing as detergents with the benefit of keeping things going to the filter. There is an intake tube in the 4r70w filter, all fluid has to go into it for the transmission to work.
      Normally I agree if the fluid is cloudy, but in this case the fluid was very clear. I just wanted to get the cooked stuff all out since it saw 250 degrees a while back.
      There was a small amount of metal paste on the magnet ring in the pan, but to be honest it was about the same amount I saw when I had the transmission open in the 98 mounty to do the shift kit stuff. The pan has a magnet ring in the bottom to collect any metal shavings. The "break in" stuff goes there and turns to paste because the particles are so fine. There was about a tablespoon of this "goo" on the magnet. no real shavings. Normal IMO



      So far after 50 miles everything is good. Made 2 round trip runs to Chanute and back with the gas pedal and carpet touching a lot, trying to get the transmission to heat up. With the new cooler I have yet to see 160 degrees. Woo Hoo!
       
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      Good news! Glad to hear that. Did you swap in the larger radiator too?

      Detergent, dispersants, whatever you wanna call it, it will break down deposits, and they can block a passage, causing the trans to burn up. This has always been a concern when changing fluids my entire life, and will always be a concern for me on high mile transmissions. Older it is, the more crap it has in it, unless it has a proven fluid change record on recommended 30k changes. Only then would I feel safe doing more then a half capacity / filter change. To each their own here I guess.

      Some people swear by cleaning sludge and deposits out of an engine by using a qt of trans fluid, for the high amount of "Cleaning agent" in it. I have never done this, but I can see it working, as I have used trans fluid to clean parts by soaking them with it.

      So while on this subject.... You used a lot of AmSoil in your day. Have you ever tried or know anything about the engine / trans cleaner they have?

      http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...nd-protectants/engine-and-transmission-flush/
       
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      The 2 core radiator is also in, and now she runs a lot cooler. Of course it has been cooler outdoors, there's that to consider. I won't know for sure until we use the AC on a real hot day cruising 70mph.

      I haven't used the amsoil cleaner but probably would if I had the need for it.
       
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      I'm going to use a 2 core radiator as well. I found an all aluminum one on eBay. Aluminum tanks and cores...
       
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      Link?
       
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      I would definitely like to know how well it works out. If i was buying one now and had time to wait for it, I would pull that trigger for sure.
       
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      Thanks, excellent choice if it fits well. The plastic tanks I worry about for long term, they do eventually leak from vibrations.

      The flush from Amsoil at $7.85+S&T isn't bad, I've never used it either.

      Transmissions are not supposed to ever have any debris in them, any more than the filter can handle ends up in the VB and creates havoc. So I've never encountered a trans with fouled fluid without symptoms and tried to flush it or change fluid etc. If you see too much stuff in the fluid, it's more likely already accumulated too much in the VB. Any debris in a VB is what creates fast wear and miss-timed solenoids, thus symptoms that ruin things. So fluid changes are best regularly, and do something fast when a symptom appears. I've been fortunate so far, I almost always keep up with trans fluid and filters, and fend off issues with VB kits. My 91 Lincoln now didn't do well after a shift kit I put in last year, the shifts are still late, not slipping but much too late. I think I have something in the rear modulator block, it has passages and a centrifugal weight.bob, which controls shift timing. I can either take that off etc, or change the trans. I have a 4R planned so ...
       
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      Careful on the Radiator.
      I "think" a 2 core is
      1. trans fluid heater/cooler
      2. single row coolant radiator

      I think this is the thin radiator
      We want a 3 core radiator for the thick one (I think).
       
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      I saved all the drained coolant and needed quite a bit more to fill the new, thick radiator.

      The trans cooler was in the driver side tank of both.

      first rad was thin, single row and not as thick as the tanks. new one is twice as thick double row. There wouldn't be room for more rows unless they were thinner, as this one is as thick as the tanks.
       
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      Sorry Jon, I should have clarified. I was looking at that ebay all aluminum rad and was concerned it was a 'thin' one.
       
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      That listing did have dimensions somewhere in it, I think it claims it's the full thickness.
       
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      Well, what a disappointment.:(

      My mother gave me a recipe for cucumber margaritas. Sounds interesting enough to try but not waste good tequila on. So, I went looking for some cash, and being too lazy to go to the bank, I said to myself " Self, You know where some money is stashed!"
      I argued it would be too much work but other self won.

      I did all this

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      and all I found was some lego pieces and this

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      kinda bummed now.
       
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      That's it? What a rip off!!

      Either a Joe Dirt interior clean, or a body lift? :dunno:
       
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      Removing stuff for new rocker panel welding and whatnot-with the Joe Dirt fix thrown in.

      Boy is ol' gal ever dirty. I must have vacuumed the better part of a corn field out of her. Not sure I would ever have dated her if I knew her cracks were so nasty.

      Had the seats and console out for an earlier heater core replacement. That was such a chore the Joe Dirt job had to wait until now. I almost want to powerwash the floor now but what good would that do? She's a dirty gal made for dirty roads I reckon.

      Gonna throw my front seats and console back in so it can be driven, then powerwash all the carpets once she's moved off the driveway. It is supposed to be pretty hot for the next few days so that will dry the carpet well I hope.

      Oh. Gman. My cb install works like a charm. All I needed to do was un-bolt the console connector and remove it all in one piece,console cb and all. I'm going to route the antenna cable better now that the carpet is out.
       
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