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    1. delexploder

      delexploder Elite Explorer

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      Sorry lol, im gonna try a different gauge cluster and see what happens, everything else seems to be working fine and the speedo worked fine after the harness swap and nothing under there looks messed up so I looked at fuses and they are all ok, so i figure what the hell, gonna wait though is raining now
       
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    3. 4pointslow

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      Mph

      On my truck the MPH comes from the rear diff speed sensor, then goes to the ABS module, then it is shared to all the other modules like the instrument cluster and PCM. Your truck may be similar or different, they changed things back and forth so many times I can not keep up with it.

      Do you have a scan tool you could look in the PCM to see if you are getting MPH there?
       
    4. delexploder

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      Mine comes from the case, I have a cheap scan tool but if the other gauge doesn't work I will borrow one from a friend, its just fighting me at this point
       
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      or a broken worm gear on the cluster motor? i remember that was a common issue years back
       
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      I see where yours is different.
      If you have MPH in the PCM it could be the Instrument Cluster or the circuit at connector C146

      Here is the diagrams in case you need them.
       

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      You guys are awesome , my brain is not working right now with all the other crap I have been dealing with so feel free to shoot me any and all ideas because it really helps
       
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      The speed sensor is a two wire type, if you check it with an ohmmeter and find it reading OL,OFL, or no continuity then it is open and needs a new one.

      And in another thought
      That connector in the wiring diagram C146 is the one under the center console if you need to do anything with that.
       
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      Well I think I got lucky ,I swapped in a spare cluster I had and while I cant take it for a spin yet because I dont have anyone to follow me, I did go up and down my driveway and the speedo goes up and down to 15mph OK so im pretty sure its good, just sucks looking at a stock cluster instead of my white face gauges
       
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      Well I tried to take it to the DMV Monday and was rewarded with a click when I turned the key, so after screwing with it checking everything I finally pulled the starter and swapped it with a reman sohc starter I had on the shelf, after swapping the nose cones of course, got that done this morning and all was good so I took it to the gas station and filled it with 98 , rode 20 miles to the DMV and it passed everything but the emissions , hc was 301 and the limit is 220 ,no biggie got a 30 day T tag I figured id deal with it and go back tomorrow, drove another 10 miles stopped for lunch then ran a few more miles and stopped at a store then drove about 20 miles to a friends shop to say hi and after it was sitting for about an hour the horn starts honking and won't stop, tried key fob tried the key in the ignition, finally just unhooked the battery, let it sit tried to hook the battery and honk, won't start either , so i put it on a trailer and hauled it home, and walked away, cause im pissed, and want to smash it ,and burn it
       
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      Sounds like something is setting the alarm off. Crap, it just doesn't end sometimes.
      It is just a trial, you will get through it.
      Many many years ago I went through some similar stuff, at one point I just said forget it because it was so bad I knew the only way it could go was better.
      Then things got better.
      Take a deep breath. for get it for tonight and tomorrow you can start to look into it. If you need wiring diagrams or something just say the word and I will help as best I can.
       
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      just in case..........

      The last two depend on if you have a TR sensor or DTR sensor on the transmission.
       

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      I wonder if the gauge cluster I swapped in is the issue,
       
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      Im running the later 12 pin dtrs, the cluster I have in it is from a 96 4.0 xlt and the led diode part is different, could be so many things,
       
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      You could try fixing the old cluster's speedo and put that back in.
      If you had access to a scan tool that could access the Remote Anti-Theft Personality Module you could pull codes and it would point you to what was setting the alarm off.
      The normal triggers would be the door ajar switches (from or through the Gem module), the ignition cylinder tamper switch, hood switch, and key fob panic button.
       
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      I just took the old gauge cluster apart and cant find anything physically wrong with it , starting to think my problems may be a bad GEM?
       
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      The gem would not cause the speedo to not work. It could set the alarm off, so could the door ajar switches.

      Disconnect circuit 999 light blue with white stripe at connector C212(LH corner of instrument panel, near cowl panel grommet), just that circuit (have to remove the wire from connector). If the GEM was setting the alarm off it wont anymore.
       

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      Just so you know, the door ajar switches go bad all the time. They stick open(open door position), causing the overhead light to stay on and other weird problems like the alarm going off.
      They are inputs to the gem, the gem would then send a signal to the alarm module to set it off.
       
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      According to the wiring diagram the other things that could set it off are....
      The Hood switch and the ignition cylinder tamper switch. ( and key fob panic button)
      The only other two inputs are the Brake switch and the Transmission input but they may not set it off, they may be for other things, not sure.
       
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      I found another thread where a guy said he had the same problem with the same year and type of RAP, he said he unpluged his RAP module and said it worked so I just tried it and no more horn honking, I know I dont have the alarm and the key fob won't work but if it will keep me on the road im good with it, if anyone sees any other issues with doing this im all ears
       
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      Drove around all day with no problems and without the stupid auto lock I didn't miss the key fob at all
       
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      Problem solved! Now get that truck through inspection!
       
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      I was able to scan it since once I got the alarm issue under control, misfire cylinder two, my guess is fouled plug or burnt wire, I did run with the timing off and with old nasty gas, and the wires are in constant danger with the funky manifolds, I'll figure that out today hopefully get through emissions tomorrow ,
       
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      Had alot of yard work to do today and when I got started on my truck a bunch of my family showed up with pizza wings and subs so it was family time, but I did get to check the plug and wire on #2 and they both look fine so I guess I need to look at the coil pack and injector
       
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      You could swap #2 spark plug with another cylinder to see if the misfire moves.
      I have seen a defective spark plug or two that didn't look bad.
      I guess you could swap wires, injectors and other things too. Hope you get it nailed down soon!
       

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