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Discussion in 'Stock 2002 - 2005 Explorers' started by fastimz, April 17, 2006.

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      fastimz New Member

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      I am having the Check Fuel Cap light come on in my 2003 Exp. I purchased a new cap and had the codes cleared. It stayed off for about 50 miles. It then came back on. If I keep driving with out reseting the ECM, the Check Engine Light comes on...Says that the cap is loose or has a vacuum leak. Everytime I reset the ECM, the light will come on again. I am tired of this sh*t. Now that it is getting warmer, I can smell gas fumes when I get out of my vehicle or when I back up...Is there anything else that could cause this problem...I think it has a fuel tank vent valve but I'm not sure of the locatton or if this could be the problem..Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
       
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      You have an EVAP leak. Check your charcoal canister to make sure it's selling properly.

      -Drew
       
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      cap

      Where is the canister located?
       
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      look where your spare tire is to the left of it,(if your looking directly from behind and under your truck
       
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      Bought another Motorcraft cap, lifted the vehicle and checked every vaccum connection from the engine compartment and the charcoal canister and couldn't find anything loose or off. Put the new cap on and the Check engine light came on but not the cap light. It is reading code P0455 and P0457. It drives fine but it is really annoying me. I want the light to be off so if there is a problem I will know. Any ideas, Thanks.
       
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      My sister has the same exact problem. Any solutions?
       
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      I have the same problem as well- I am thinking it is the rubber line leaking that goes to the steel line to the filler cap neck?

      I will diagnose further and let you know- anyone discover what it was?
       
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      I hope youguys figure this one out because my 04 does the same thing with the gas cap light and service engine light. I have to clear mine about every three days.
       
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      From the table I have PO455 Evap emission control system leak detected (Gross leak no flow)... sorry I cannopt help with the PO 457, but I hope this helps.
       
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      That's just the beginning of your problems

      It starts with that nagging check cap signal.........
      I have a 2005 Ford Explorer, first it was the check cap signal; replaced that thing 3 times and had Ford reset the computer for me. Then I started having trouble getting gas in it but it was inconsistant and I thought it was just the different gas stations. About a month ago it started shutting off every 10 seconds while I was trying to fill it up and/or gas would start to come back out while it was occurring. I took it to the dealership and they said there are two known problems, mine was the filler neck and it would have to be replaced. Since it has not been flagged a safety issue they would not repair for free but offered to only charge me 1/2 price. Anyone having this problem needs to contact National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and file a complaint. Once they receive enought complaints their engineers will research the trend and make Ford recall the vehicles or reimburse those who have had to make the repairs.
      www.nhtsa.gov or 888-327-4236.
       
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      Mine started this week....guess I need to call.....DO I jsut call NTSB and tell them I'm having the same issue?
       
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      Ntsb

      Yes, you file a complaint about the problem you are having with the vehicle. They say once they reach a certain number of complaints their engineers with investigate it and them recall the vehicles for the problem.

      I need to go ahead and have mine fixed and just keep the receipt until it's recalled but I'm holding out because its just plain wrong they won't take care of it. Takes me 20 minutes just to get 5 gallons of gas now. I'll have to fix it before summer and vacation travel. Not sure what stage your at but good luck.
       
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      Have complaints about the brittle rear coil springs been filed? Doesn't seem to be any recall on that and that seems even more dangerous.
       
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      I think this may be the same problem I am having. I have a CEL on and the guy at Advance said it was the Evap. code. I have put some silicon on the seal of the cap. But the thing I find wierd is that the gas cap light didn't come on. So would that still be the cap? It doesn't run funny or anything, just want it cleared so if another code comes up I will know. The light was cleared at Advance and stayed off 6 days. Came back on today. I didn't get gas or anything, but I didn't wash the Mounty could the water on the cap do it?

      STU
       
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      the canister, i remember correctly, is on top of the gas tank or top side, bunch of hoses, follow and look for anything disconnected or cut or broken vacuum lines. they route up to the intake. Others have posted about the canister needing to be replaced, something about overfilling the tank can cause 'issues'. . .there was also some issues with the fill tube/fill vent not sure on that one, thought it was related to the canister.
      Recalls depend on how many die or how many fires, don't hold your breath, takes a few hundred from what i've read in the news.
       
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      Don't count on the NHTSA to solve the problem, too many cars, too many complaints, and this is not that common or dangerous of a problem. Sorry. Agravating, yes, significant, no. Actually you can ignore it if you so choose, many do for years.

      All cars will probably eventually develop this problem, it's a failure of the evaporative emissions system. Usually a gas cap failure, but after that it's usually a failed rubber vacuum hose somewhere in the fuel vent system.

      The easiest way to fix it is to have a shop do a low pressure smoke test of the system - it reveals the leak much easier than a hand over hand inspection underbody.
       
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      I have a 2005 Explorer. "Check Gas Cap" message started coming on. Ford dealer quoted me hundreds of dollars to diagnose (smoke test). Parts could be another $200. Service rep turned over the rubber seal on the gas cap and message went away. Now, about two months later, Check Gas Cap message AND "Service Engine Soon" light is on again. This morning I replaced the gas cap. Message and light still come on. I will wait to see if the alarm condition goes away after a few "start cycles" (Ford's terminology).

      Does anyone know how to just disable this alarm system. I don't consider myself a environmentally unfriendly person but $400 to turn off a light because of a little leak is just too much.

      Also, what do I need to read the diagnostic codes? Is this something that an individual can obtain?
       
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      Buy one of these:

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      http://www.harborfreight.com/can-obdii-code-reader-with-multilingual-menu-98568.html

      No way to easily disable the emissions system. You can put some tape over the check engine/fuel cap light or remove the bulbs. But it is against federal law to tamper with or disable emission control systems. Doubt anyone is going to hunt you down to check your car unless you live in an emissions testing state. Don't recall if TX is or not.
       
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      Thanks for the Code Reader info

      I appreciate your recommending a code reader. I will definitely purchase one. Also, thanks for the warning on Federal Law. I have been reading a lot of posts on this site about the EVAP system. I am going to try to run down a few things with hoses, the cannister, purge valve, etc., first before I throw in the towel and go to the dealer. This forum has a lot of good information. I have already considered the black tape on the check engine soon light.

      Do you know where I can find a good explanation of how the EVAP system works, and a schematic? It would really help.

      Charles
       
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      Here is a link to a system description of operation:

      http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/march2002/techtips.htm

      Try checking your local library for a Haynes manual or some have online access to car repair manuals.

      Here is another post about evap systems. Read the last posting:

      http://www.fordforumsonline.com/forum/engine-drivetrain/85-evaporative-emissions-control-evap.html

      Here is one that has a generic schematic:

      http://www.search-autoparts.com/sea...estandard//motorage/102005/149558/article.pdf
       
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      Running around the 'Net is fine, but some info/sites seem fractured, incomplete; I have had the most gratifying results by using Ford Service Publications, produced by Helm, Inc. My Explorer Shop Manual is the best source I have found for what you are seeking. imp


      http://www.helminc.com/helm/search_...404CDCA8D24CCEC59954BB&Style=helm&class_2=FRD
       
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      I'm having the same problem as everyone else, it started with gas cap light and now it's gas cap and check engine lights coming on every few hundred miles (have had them cleared at local parts stores). Did anyone ever come up with a fix? Thanks in advance.
       
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      I just fixed my issue, finally! Had the exact same CGC light, followed shortly after with the CEL. if you crawl under the truck, there'll be some hoses tied to the filler neck, one of those hoses connect to a canister valve of some type, one seems to have some sort of a cap or valve at the top, and one appears to attach to the rear end. Mine were completely dry rotted and on was actually ripped, replaced and reconnected the hoses, and no issue now! Have been trough about 4 fill ups, and about 2 weeks, with no annoying lights emitted. I'll post pics tomorrow.
      Derek
       

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