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How To: Replace an air conditioner accumulator in an Aerostar.

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      As the summer season approaches, the demand for A/C increases as well. Some A/C issues are small (low on freon, bad fuse, cycling switch, fan motor or relay) while others are larger (compressor, lines, accumulator, evaporator, condenser, etc). Let's tackle the task of replacing the accumulator. The 1995 Aerostar with front A/C uses this accumulator, and cycling switch:
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      These are general photos from the advertisement on EBay. Here are the actual parts:
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      The question that might come to your mind at this point is "how could a metal cylinder go bad"? The answer is that the OEM design wrapped the accumulator with insulation therefore trapping condensation which causes rust to accumulate. The previous owner added a green dye into the system to locate the leak. Under the insulation was a bath of sticky green dye which is very obvious so an ultraviolet light wasn't necessary in order to locate the source of the leak. Here is a side by side comparison of both accumulators:
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      The stock clamps will be a little loose on the new accumulator since it has no insulation to take up the space. The next installment will discuss the tools which are used.
       
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      Spring lock tools release the inner spring which connects the line to the accumulator:
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      The white tool on the bottom of the photo is the correct size for this application (3/4").
      The long needle nose plier comes in handy when you want to remove or install the orifice tube.
      There is a special tool kit for installing orifice tubes that's nice to have, but the plier seems to work fine:
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      The bolts on the side of the clamps are very hard to reach. A 1/4" drive Sidewinder tool makes the job much easier:
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      You don't have to swing the ratchet since it has a tee handle which is geared internally for turning the end where the socket is connected. A standard 1/4" drive ratchet will work on the upper bolt:
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      This is a different kind of 1/4" drive ratchet which has an adjustable angle:
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      Several parts have to be removed. The ignition module only has one bolt holding it in place.
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      The electrical connector should remain plugged into the module:
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      The retaining clips is next:
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      Remove the two bolts next:
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      Unplug the two lines with the spring lock disconnect tool:
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      Pull on the lines while the tool releases the spring:
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      The cycling switch should be unplugged, then the entire accumulator could be removed:
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      All of the O rings have to be lubricated prior to installation. The rear pipe has three O rings coming out of the accumulator:
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      The front pipe on the line which is connected to the vehicle only has two O rings:
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      Here's a close up view:
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      Always add the proper amount of oil before closing the system:
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      This chart shows the recommended amount of oil & freon:
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      Install the O ring onto the accumulator prior to installing the low pressure cycling switch:
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      Connect a jumper wire across the electrical connector before you plug in the cycling switch so that the compressor stays on without cycling while the system is recharged with freon:
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      It will take a while to evacuate the system, and refill it with freon. Keep the tank of freon warm while it's filling, and rev the engine a little at a low RPM. The pressure will eventually stabilize at 25 PSI at idle.
       
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      Update: At the time of the repair, the outside temperature was relatively cool. The freon tank was very cold, and the line kept freezing, so charging the system was difficult until the tank was placed over the engine compartment. The weather is now very warm, and the charge in the system was low. The compressor kept cycling, so the interior cabin didn't get as cold as it was supposed to. While adding more freon, the charge was able to go up to 30 PSI. Last month it only reached 25 PSI. Always keep the freon tank, and the line as warm as possible while charging the system.
       
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      BrooklynBay,

      You seem extremely knowledgeable when it comes to servicing the Aerostar and I thank you for all your advice in this forum. I'm about to replace compressor, accumulator and orifice tube on my '97 3.0L Aerostar. This thread is very good but, when it comes to where to add the oil before installing the components, I need some advice. I figure on adding 5 oz of PAG-46 oil to the accumulator and 4 oz to the compressor for a total of 9 oz. I see the total oil charge should be 9 oz. (Maybe I should allow for an ounce remaining in the evaporator & condenser?) Which port on the accumulator and which port on the compressor should I use to add the oil through? I've got Ford's service manual but it glosses over this very important item and so does Haynes book. The Chilton book avoids a/c service altogether.

      Thanks!
       
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      Anywhere you add it to the system will be fine. The oil & freon will circulate once the compressor is running. I added it to the accumulator before the hoses were connected. Post # 4 shows oil being added to the system.
       
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      I'd figure you'd add the oil to the compressor through the suction side - I'll need to trace the hoses. Same for the accumulator. [​IMG] This is a cut away of a standard refrigeration accumulator - the automotive accumulators have some desiccant in them to keep the system dry. A compressor becomes a liquid pump at the same instant it becomes useless - liquids can't be compressed. If a slug of oil gets to the pistons, something has to give and it usually renders a compressor useless by breaking a valve or connecting rod.

      I ended up with accumulators for the model with rear a/c. The standard accumulators are in short supply. Every parts house I called said they'd have to contact the factory to see about availability. I finally got a promise from NAPA to have one for me in the morning.

      As soon as I get the '97 fixed, I'll start on my '96 and give it the same treatment. With the weather being as hot as it's been so far, I'll get good use out of both of them this summer. They both have leaking shaft seals and as I wrote about in another topic, just replacing the seals is almost impossible with the design of the FS10 and even if you could replace them, the shaft bearing is probably so worn, the new seal won't last long.
       
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      I just looked at eBay - sure enough, they have several listings. Some of the buy-it-now prices are better than I can get locally (with free shipping) but NAPA will have one for me in the morning and I'll be able to finish right away. I thought I had everything I needed till I unboxed the accumulator and saw it had one too many outlets on it. Advance Auto Parts had a good price and free shipping but I mis-read the "w/rear a/c" detail when I ordered. I'll keep eBay in mind for future needs - 273,0xx miles and still humming on the '97! I've got it full of tools (the seats were removed by a previous owner) and I use it everyday. I even towed it to Florida for the winter behind my motorhome - the driveshaft disconnect (from Remco) lets me put the gear selector in PARK and away we go (surge brakes by Ready Brake).
       
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      I thought I said - I returned the incorrect receivers to Advance Auto (no hassle there) and I picked up the correct models from NAPA. I'm doing the '97 first because I use it almost all the time. I took the '96 to pickup the accumulators and found the compressor won't turn on it anymore so I'll have to get on it as soon as I finish the '97. As much oil as the '97 lost the last few months while I kept adding more gas, I'd thought it would have locked-up by now.

      Thanks for your help.
       
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      Interdynamics super sealer.

      It appears that the system was a little low on freon due to a possible leak. I'm not certain that there was a leak since no leak was discovered, but I know that the system was fully charged last season. A small amount of seepage is normal, but it should work for more than one season without requiring a charge. Interdynamics has several types of sealers: basic, basic with freon, and a super sealer for metal & rubber. Most of their products contain a lubricant with a leak detector. Here's the super sealer kit:
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      This kit seals leaks in metal as well as leaks from O ring seals & hoses. Freon must be added immediately after use to prevent clogging of the access port.
       
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      All done with changing the compressors, receivers and orifice tubes on both the '97 and the '96.

      It feels great to be able to get in and know the a/c is going to work!

      I'm not sure what went wrong with the compressor on the '96 - when I turned it on for the first time this spring, I heard the clutch or belt slipping. I tried it several times before giving up. It's odometer show 146,xxx miles.

      The compressor on the '97 had a bad seal caused by a worn bearing on the shaft. I couldn't find a tool to replace the seals so I threw in the towel and replaced the compressor with a new one. It's odometer show 273,xxx miles.

      I got both the compressors from Advance Auto Parts online for $184 (minus $50 using coupon code "VISA" for an actual cost of $134 each). I bought the PAG 46 oil and orifice tubes there also but had to go to NAPA for the receivers.

      Save these coupon codes for your next order - over $75 ship for free:
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      I'll post some pictures showing the compressor removal when I get a chance.
       
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      Here's a follow up post on using the super sealer. The A/C was strong in the morning, but in the afternoon the compressor was constantly cycling. I checked the pressure, and it was low again. I removed the high pressure side plastic cap, and I saw green UV dye so I know that it was leaking. Bubble solution didn't show any signs of a leak. I wrapped teflon tape around the valve, reinstalled the plastic cap, then attempted to add more freon. The pressure at idle was the highest (34-35 PSI) since I've owned it. It's possible that the leak caused a slight pressure drop in the system since I was only able to see a maximum of 30 PSI at idle previously. I wonder why the super sealer didn't seal this small leak at the cap (maybe there was too much of an opening)?
       
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      the sealer requires contact with oxygen to work, if the leak was constant it may have not had enough to harden, and now that you have stop leak in the system if you ever need to open it again it could kill every component in the system
       
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      I hope not. It's only a 3 oz can. There is freon, oil, and UV dye along with stop leak sealant in the system. These things should be safe to use to a certain extent since it's designed for this purpose. This is what the company says:
       
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      i have seen AC machines that cost in excess of 4k destroyed by stop leak, as common as it is at is dangerous stuff. It doesnt always work as advertised, just thought i would warn you of what may happen if you ever have to open the system. I may have to open mine this season and the PO put a bunch of that stuff in it, so im gonna try to blow it out. Hopefully that will work cause i dont want to pull my dash
       
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      the moisture in the air causes it to harden, just as you quoted. im concerned that the luquid flush chemicals could cause it to harden faster. Perhaps some communication with a few manufacturers is in order
       
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      I wonder if that sealer you used sealed up the screen in the orifice tube? That would cause cycling. I don't have any faith in the sealer.

      If the Schrader valve in the access port is leaking, you may have to remove the charge to replace it. I doubt if any amount of Teflon tape will help seal it. Those threads in the port aren't much and the plastic threads on the cap can't be tightened much - it's just a dust cover.
       
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      I'm not sure what you're referring to as "high humidity causes condensation in the system" but moisture "in" the system starts a chemical factory inside the system. That's why new receiver/driers and the use of a good vacuum pump are recommended after opening a system. The refrigerant must remain dry with no non-condensibles like air (which contains oxygen) to react with the normally inert refrigerant gas. Once air and moisture are introduced, all sorts of harmful reactions begin to take place - especially in the heat of the condenser. Oils turn to sludge in the presence of air - chemicals in the refrigerant breakdown into acids. Air is a non-condensible and causes higher than normal pressures in the condenser and the oil carbonizes coating the inside of the condenser with soot - a very good insulator causing even higher temperatures and pressure.

      These are the reasons pure, dry refrigerant and the proper amount and type of oil is stressed as the only thing that should be circulating in the closed environment of the air conditioning system and why refrigeration service people shy away from additives like sealers.
       
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