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Discussion in 'Stock 1995 - 2001 Explorers' started by oplitic, June 8, 2008.

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      Hey guys, passenger window decided not to roll up today, neither from driver door or passenger door switches. The motor is getting power from the driver side and passenger switch, checked the power at the motor, relays seem fine, not sure which of the like 6 it is. Does anyone know which it is? Bottom to top there is big one, big one, 2 smalls next to each other, two smalls next to each other. I'm sure you all know. But if anyone knows which is the one to check than I can pay more attention to it.

      Anyways, of course it's stuck down so i was wondering if anyone knows a way to get it up without pullin the whole thing apart. Thanks.
       
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      I assume you have a two door... and the driver's side works fine... right? IF SO, then you have a broken wire and since you checked for voltage at the motor... right....;-).... it would "appear" not to be a voltage problem... :) maybe... what wire at the motor did you find voltage on?

      PS. take a meter to the switch on the passenger side and make sure that the switch is functional (ie. you continuity thru the switch when it is operated in either direction).
       
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      It's a mountaineer, so, a 4 door:thumbsup:
       
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      OK... let's start over then, you need to check at the motor whether you are seeing voltage and a ground, voltage only, ground only.... and then do the same check at the switch.
       
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      If yours did what mine did I don't know of any way to fix it short of taking the door panel off. My driver door window stuck down and it wasn't the motor. I removed the moter and it was fine. I had to put the window up manually a little ways and then re-install the motor.

      It hasn't happened again, but I don't put the window all the way down. I leave it up about a quarter of an inch.
       
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      Forgot, they're reverse polarity, correct? Like locks on some older cars, damn should thought of that. I was definitely getting voltage at the motor and switch from both driver and passenger side switches. I'll check to make sure it's getting ground on the other wire. Guess it's time to put it back in. I took the motor out and was gonna make sure and see it wasn't working. I didn't see any other way to get it rolled up. If I didn't have over $2k in audio I wouldn't have even bothered, but I work in the middle of a city.
       
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      You just took it out, put it back in and it worked? Hope that works for me tomorrow when I put it back in to see if it's giving it ground.
       
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      One more thing. The motor can just go in, doesn't need to be at it's original spot when I took it out, cause it only senses the resistance of the motor and won't go farther, correct?
       
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      its sounds like your passenger switch is broken.
       
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      I had to raise the window manually a little bit before I put the motor back in.

      Apparently mine was binding when the window was all the way down.

      The pinion on the motor doesn't have to be in any particular position when you install the motor.
       
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      Ok, thought so.
       
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      I am starting to think that too. I'm at work now and just tested the motor on the bench we use to test radios and it works fine, back and forth. So it apparently wasn't switching ground on the other wire. I'm gonna hopefully through it back in tonight when I get home and try it. Then try a switch from a junk yard and see if that helps it. Are the switches on the rear door the same cause there's only one switch on those doors too? I can use one of those for now.
       
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      Yep... that will "quickly" help you determine if it is a switch (replaced with a known working one) or a broken wire going to the switch which is still a possibility.
       
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      it was giving power to the motor on each wire back and forth9the reversing polarity) so part A of reversing works, lol. it's the part B of switching the other wire to ground that i think isn't working.. I'll have to play with it
       
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      haven't found a thread that answers the initial question. How do you actually roll up the window manually? forget the motor, its broken. for now i'm trying to get the window up on someones explorer manually.
       
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      I ended up taking my motor out and pulling it up. Couldn't figure out any other way. Tomorrow I'll be putting it back in though cause the motor works fine. Than be doing more testing of wires to see what's wrong.
       
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      did you have to drill the motor out of its rivets and find some way to put it back in? I dont even know how you could line it up inside there, no room! and all that stuff to attach.
       
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      It sucks. Yeah, I drilled out the rivets. And tkaing it out was a bitch, so I'm sure putting it back in will suck too. Putting it back in today. There wasn't much to attach though... three little black bolts from the gear holder thing, the three rivets, which I will be replacing with bolts cause I'm out of rivets and don't want to rivet it back on just incase there's some other problem. Oh, and there's one or two nuts I believe. You don't have to line it up how it went originally, so that makes it easier too.
       
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      You can pull the window up manually, but you will have to remove the motor to do that. Once up re-install the motor and that will hold it up.
       
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      wow yeah doesn't sound like i'll be doing this. Its not my car its my step dads. he can pay 250 to have it fixed
       
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      Just put it back in...

      lol. It's not too bad taking it out. But putting it back in sucked. You need to twist part of it back and put in the bolts holding the motor to the bracket only a few twists. The bolts need to be loose enough so that when you twist the twist motor more to get the window gear in, it can go under neath the motor's gear, so when you tighten the bolts, hold it in place, and push on it to get the motor's gear in it's place, the teeth on the motor's gear and on the window gear will go together. Then after all that you need to figure out where the window needs to be so the holes will line up to put bolts in where the rivets were.

      Before I put it back in I connected it to the switch and it worked fine!! Took it out for nothing. I can roll it up and down no problem, no binding or anything. It was just like Pensa, except I tried going all the way up and down and it never stuck again..
       
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      me thinks that you might have done nothing... as a result, a stuck window is in your future... :) but maybe not ... good luck.... on to your rear door problem... :-(
       
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      I have had mine back down all the way a few times without a problem, I just don't want to take the chance of being somewhere that I needed to get it up and have it stuck again.

      It also wouldn't be much fun being out on the highway and have a hard rain come up and finding out it was stuck again.LOL
       
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      Yeah, I see it too, but when is the question.. lol. I would have done something, but I didn't see anything binding, nothing sounded bad, it worked over and over.. etc. I can't fix what I can't see broken.. :(

      And about the door... yeah.... Same thing there. Took it apart and it looks fine, just that sometimes it unlocks on the first try, and others it takes 3 tries.. I'm gonna go to the junk yard when I can and get an actuator and the rest of it if possible. Just swap it all out and see how that works.

      of course all everything happens at once. My girls focus was misfiring and stuff after I cleaned the engine bay, cleaned the MAF and intake. Cleaned it all again, drove it and then realized I needed to change all the spark plugs cause water got around them and coroded the tops of them. Luckily it didn't get into the cylinders... Also when replacing the PCV valve broke a hose. Still kinda boggy though. I think I need to replace the fuel filter cause I tried some sea foam in it to clean it out... lol. My luck with cars sometimes....
       
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      No, wouldn't be at all. lol. I made the window stay up after taking the motor out, last ngiht it rained and the window had dropped about an inch. So it got a little wet in there unfortunately.... Not too bad though cause I caught it when I went out there to grab soemthing late last night. lol.
       

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