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Jefe's 700R4 swap

Discussion in 'Offroad Projects' started by Jefe, August 30, 2004.

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      most of us here probably dont have a 700r4.. maybe try asking the same question in a chevy forum? thatll probably result in more responses... gluck.
       
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      Looking at the feedback, they sound good. Only thing I don't like, no paypal. :eek:
       
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      K that was my next question as I was just reading about the 90 and 60 degree differences. Have you ever figured out what was wrong with yours Jefe? Thanks guys.
       
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      After another 20 miles of driving around town it completely died on me. :mad:
      According to Bowtie I broke a hard part (input sprag or drum or something) (was hopeing it was just a hydraulic problem). I am just under a year (and less than 20k miles), so they will repair it under warranty once I take it out and get it to them.
       
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      OK just wondering if I should look for another company that makes the 60 deg and maybe try them out since you have already had trouble with yours. Sorry to hear about the tranny Jefe. Thanks for all of your help!!!
       
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      Will it ready for the run? :(
       
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      hopefully, a somewhat positive answer tomorrow??
       
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      John and I pulled the trans last night and I dropped it off at Bowtie OD this morning. Should have it back Tue or Wed and installed by Sat.
       
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      Hey Jefe, any idea what caused the problem? Maybe BowTie can give you some idea of what happened or if it was a deffective part. Just wondering if this is an isolated problem or a if it could go wrong on another BowTie Unit.

      As far as the Lokar shifter, I also have one and yes, it transmits all the sound into the cab as well. I want to switch it out eventually, I just haven't got to it yet and it also breaks one of my cardinal rules, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
       
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      For a shop that deals with only 2 models of transmission you'd think that Bowtie would have every part in stock. They are waiting for an input housing to put mine back together. :fire: I have had to call them twice to get anything out of them.

      I will pick the tech's brain when I finally get to pick it up.
       
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      Jefe,
      Was it the input drum that broke?

      My first 700r4 from Bowtie had a broken input drum and burned 3-4 clutches..
      I think the burned clutches was from them sending the wrong TV cable (it was labled 4.0, but was way too long/big)..

      The 2nd one the torque converter broke(that one might have been my fault duing the install) which took out the pump (I drove it 600 miles that way)

      I still get a little buzz from the valve body when the trans gets warm, but I've been told its just a valve moving (by bowtie and a local shop) and not to worry about it.

      My current tranny I helped them (bowtie) put in.. I paid for the new converter, they ate 1/2 the cost of r&r of the trans, and they ate the cost of the rebuild (and I took a bay from them for 3 days).. On my way out to them (they are 600 miles away) I snapped the chain on teh xfer case.. they replaced it for me (I got a yard xfer case, they put it in).

      One thing I still don't like.. I'm supposed to have the 1800 stall HD converter but I am getting 2500+ rpm stall speed (flash stall is 2700ish... and brake stand stall is about the same)..

      They do stand behind their transmissions (Saul, Sergio and Chris went way over and above), but they can't dyno test 60 degree v6 700r4 transmissions.. They have an el-camino and a 2wd chevy pickup they install all of the 90 degree transmissions in to test.. but they don't have a test bed for the 60 degree and I was told they don't do very many of them anyway..

      BTW I have a stage II transmission from them..

      If I had to do it over again, I think I would buy the transmission from someone else (someone closer if possible), put in the Bowtie TV cable system (WITH RED SPRING) and call it a day.. I know they make good transmisions, but with my problems and now Jefe, I'm not sure.

      ~Mark
       

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      So who would you go with if you didn't go with bowtie OD. I am have to get a new tranny and I want a 700r4 but I am kind scared of getting a bowtie unit now b/c of the problems you all have been having. Heck my a4ld lasted 155,000 miles.
       
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      take into consideration that most of the ppl who are using the 700r4 on this board are probably also using them for severe off-road use.

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      Still, a Level 2 700R4 rated for 450 HP should not fail behind a 160 HP V6 under any condition, especially at only 20k miles.

      Oh, and still no word from Bowtie on when my trans will be ready. :rolleyes:
       
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      ask em if you broke the sunshell , I know at least on the newer 4l60E's they breakthem enough we keep 5 in stock at all times. we keep hardened ones called the beast that wont break. Well we seen one break but it was a bad part.
       
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      Trust me I wheel mine. I have love the skinny pedal.
       
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      My level 2 from bowtie has the beast upgrade.. and I still broke the transmission that early.. (don't know if the bad tv cable setting due to the wrong spring installed by them and the wrong cable sent to me by them broke it or if the overheating clutches broke it.. which I wouldn't think would happen).

      ~Mark
       
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      so maybe a poll is due for those who are using the Bowtie 700r4 to see whether or not they'd go with a different company for this particular transmission...
       
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      Dumb question-

      Can you not get the "kit" without the tranny? Maybe its just me, but damn they charge alot for a 700R4 and they dont seem to be holding up that well either. You can have one monster of a 700 built for $7-800. And on a different note, yes the tv cable setup wrong will smoke one in no time.

      Just a few random thoughts...
       
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      man, I'm glad I didn't go with the 700r4. Hearing all the bad stories so far seem terrible. I just hope my c4 doesn't do the same thing as yours Jefe. That sucks that it only lasted 20k, but it's probably good that it broke now and not 100 miles over the warranty.
      :(
       
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      You are buying the "kit" from advanced adapters.. Then you send the output shaft (from the kit) to whoever builds your transmission... Other than that output shaft, its a regular 60 degree 700r4.

      ~Mark
       
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      wow, thank goodness I went 5 oh
       
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      I believe James was refering to the TV cable kit, and yes you can get that separate.

      I went with Bowtie because of their sopposed knowledge of the 700R4 as that is their specialty, for their warranty, and for their location, which saved me shipping in the first place, and has now saved me more since I could deliver the broken trans rather than paying shipping both ways to get it warrantied. I had looked other places and their price is near what any other 'higher end' 700R4 in a V6 case (thats the kicker as most places wanted more for the V6 case) would cost.

      However, I'd second guess all that now that its been over a week and I still don't have my trans back, and I have to call them to see whats going on. Sopposedly they've been waiting for a part ever since they pulled it apart a week ago yesterday, and can't tell me when they expect the part to arrive.
       

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