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Jefe's 700R4 swap

Discussion in 'Offroad Projects' started by Jefe, August 30, 2004.

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      sounds really really familiar, kinda like A4LD drama

      Sorry to hear this Jefe, ride those suckers. Shops hate me when they have my parts or cars longer then they said, I dont go away.
       
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      Ah, i forgot you have to use the 60 degree R4. Okay, high price makes sense now.
       
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      So my transmission was ready yesterday afternoon. . .but nobody called me till just now to tell me. :rolleyes:
      It was covered under warranty though. :thumbsup:
       
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      Any word from Bowtie as to why it broke? It sounds like you broke the input drum like I did on my first trans from them.

      If my trans does go again, I will not be happy.. especially since they installed it (I helped) so they can't blame it on install.

      ~Mark
       
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      is it possible to incorrectly install the input drum when stabbing a transmission? hahaha
       
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      Any other GOOD options besides Bowtie for a 60 degree 700r4. I officially broke my a4ld and need help quick. I hope to order a trans this weekend or monday and then install as soon as it arrives. thanks
       
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      Well I hope you plan to order the AA kit to install that 700r4 too, have you researched what it takes to get one in your truck? You need more then just the trans and starter.
       
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      You don't need a starter.. the a4ld starter works fine since you use your own flexplate :) But yes.. you need the kit.. and you need it before the 700r4 since you need to get it built with the new output shaft.

      ~Mark
       
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      oops
       
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      I am ordering the AA kit yes! Now whats the deal with the output shaft???
       
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      Do I have to send the output shaft to whoever builds the tranny?
       
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      Yes.. you get your output shaft from AA, then give it to your trans builder and tell them to use this output shaft (give then a copy of the instructions too, it has notes about the seal.. but they may already know about it but it can't hurt)..

      You should also let the trans builder know what it is going into.. a 4000+ lbs truck with 160hp so they can help you get the right converter (mine stalls way too high in this heavy truck)..

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      Torque converter stall speed is dependant on the amount of torque from the engine. The problem is the V6 TC's are designed for the 2.8L and I have yet to find one for the V6 700R4 that is lower than 1800 stall.

      Mine brake stalls till around 2300. On the road I actually wish it was higher to get the truck going faster from a stop. On the trail its not too bad since the stall speed decreases in Low, but it could be lower.
       

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      Jefe,
      You wanna trade converters? I want lower stall.. and you want higher stall.. I'm stalling at 2700.. I'd love to go down to 2200-2300 rpms

      Also, I thought it was based on torque of motor and weight of vehicle, not just torque of the motor. E.g when you have a light vehicle, your stall can end up being too low

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      Pretty sure we have the same exact Converter: PDQ 1800 HD
      However I am installing a new converter so we shall see if all are created equal. You could get someone to custom make you a lower stall one for $$$.

      Yes, actual stall is dependant on vehicle weight, but you were referencing brake stall. ;)
      My "real world" stall is more like 2000 from a dead stop in 1st gear at WOT
       
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      Are you saying that from a dead stop, you go to WOT and your rpms only jump to 2000 and then climb?

      Mine jump to 2700rpms then climb even more from there..


      BTW.. did you find out what caused your latest failure?

      ~Mark
       
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      Yes, thats correct

      Chris at Bowtie says the failure is due to a mis-alignment between the transmission and engine. The slight offset (which you can see wear on the snout of the torque converter) caused a bushing to wear and fail, causing the input drum to fail. He wants me to call Advanced Adapters and work with them to get it resolved. If I can find a run-out dial I will check everything and do that. However its reached the point where I need my truck back together so I don't have to rely on borrowing a car.

      Mark, when you and Bowtie installed it did you check alignment and/or use offset dowel pins to align it properly?
       
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      cough:5.0L:cough
       
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      Eh, screw you. I'm sure I could find a way to blow up something else if I put in a 5.0 :rolleyes: Besides, I currently own 3 4.0 blocks. :eek:
       
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      I have 2 4.0L blocks, still, they run, with new parts on them even. But recently I aquired 3 complete 5.0L drivetrains so I am thinking they might not get used anytime soon

      The point of the 5.0 for me was to get the 4r70w, I am hoping I wont have to touch this thing for $200K miles, so I can work on other junk instead, plus in your Gen II its a bolt in conversion.... but yeah just forget I said anything :p
       
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      About how long once I send my parts to Bowtie can I expect to get my tranny? Just wondering if anyone one knew. By the way I am going with the stage 3 in hope that it will hold up for pretty much ever!!!
       
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      10 days (including a weekend) is how long it took to get my transmission.. but I'm in Az. so shipping took < 2 days

      ~Mark
       
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      Got my truck back up and running this past weekend. Not much to report other than that.

      Sounds about right for mine also.

      Not so sure about the Level 3. It may snap your neck off on a full throttle 1 to 2 shift. :eek: Does the jump from L2 to L3 get you any more improvements in hard parts? Since the V6 input drum is going to be the weak point i don't know if it gets you anything.
       
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      I found the part number (at least what they wrote on my invoice) for the converter I'm currently using from Bowtie that gives me the high stalls.. (2700ish on brake or flash stall).

      It is a c33hd and it cost me $225. I don't see it on their site and no other converters cost $225 on their site (I may have paid more since I got it locally from them.. but not sure).

      ~Mark
       
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      That is the same converter I'm running. Bowtie don't list any V6 converters on their website which is why its not there. Its interesting though that PDQ doesn't have that part number in there catalog: http://www.pdqparts.com/Torque_Converters.shtml

      I wonder if PDQ would be able to make a custom converter designed to go behind the 4.0. for the low stall speed we want.
       

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