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Discussion in 'Modified 2011- 2019 Explorer Sport Tuning' started by roamingphantom, January 6, 2015.

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    1. Livernois

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      Most of the Explorers that we tune are actually 4x4's. The gains are identical. Your overall power output is slightly lower, but the gains are going to be identical.
       
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      Any love coming for the Explorer 2.3 Ecoboost crowd?
       
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      Well, I got my tunes today and loaded the 93 tune into the Ex. I had some stuff to do today so, it was easy to test this new tune mode. I'm going to be short on my experience with 'aggressive driving' as I don't do this. I drive fairly normally. However, I did stomp on it a time or two and it was very impressive and a noticeable difference from stock. That's all I'll say about that.:thumbsup: Now, for what's important to me. Throttle response in normal driving impressed me the most with this tune. Throttle response in subtle tones though. In my view, this has made the Ex feel a little lighter in weight because of how the throttle responds in the varying degrees of normal driving experience. You don't have to push on the pedal as much for things to happen in normal driving. This may also have something to do with what the tranny is doing and how it is using the gears as well now. At any rate, pushing on the gas pedal before made the Ex feel heavy to me and now, noticeably, it just feels lighter. That part is more important to me than how fast it can get to 60 now but, even that part has it's importance as in the Ex being able to get out of it's own way.

      Something else I was concerned about was being able to use a 93 tune with the 92 octane that's the only premium available around here and Livernois gave me a good and thorough explanation on why it's OK to use. Good enough for me. :thumbsup:
       
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      At the moment we do not have any support for the unique engine and ECM combo in the 2.3L Explorer. We would need to have someone donate a vehicle to the cause.

      Thank you for taking your time to share your thoughts on what our tuning did for your vehicle! We appreciate you sharing!
       
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      I'd be willing to be the mule on the 2.3. I live in the Chicago suburbs. How long would you need the car for? a day?

      Dan
       
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      I ordered my tuner from Livernois on Monday after researching, debating and reading tons of forums and reviews. I spoke with Anthony there and he literally spent more than a half hour answering all of my rookie questions with detailed explanations and options. I decided to go with a Livernois tuner, 3 bar map sensor and thermostat. By Tuesday I had the box, loaded the tunes to my computer and to the tuner itself and on my truck. Unbelievable is all I can say. I installed a K&N cold air intake the week before and didn't notice any difference....I also have larger BFG All Terrains and the Traxda 2" lift. I started with a 92 tune with the stock 2 bar sensor.. and was ridiculously impressed (shocked when I stomped my foot to the floor). I just installed the 3 bar (about 5 minutes if I include the time it took to watch the video) and am once again amazed at the power and speed of this all wheel drive truck. I traded in a Cayenne Turbo for this vehicle and was pleased with its comfort the day I got her....Now I can't get over the fact that it's quicker than the Porsche.

      I also cannot say enough about the customer service at Livernois. Ask away!! They make it easy and explain the ins and outs to make everything make sense!! Fast shipping, fast replies...I would not go anywhere else!
       
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      Thanks for this! I've done a ton of things in the past to vehicles (had a 2000 S-10 Extreme where we shaved door handles, tailgate handle, custom paint job, etc) but had never done any tuning or whatnot outside of a K&N CAI. So when I was reading through this (and other) threads I was super excited, but also a bit hesitant because I was afraid a lot of questions would make me sound like a complete noob. :) Then I figured it wouldn't matter because the wife would never go for it. But when I mentioned it to her last night she was way more receptive to the idea than I had figured...probably has to do with the potential for 2-3mpg increase (not guaranteed) in mileage. Then the worry about sounding like a noob came back. :)

      Anyway, I'm sure she'll have questions for me to ask that I'd never think to ask myself, so it's good to hear that they're more than willing to be patient with those who have never used a tuner before.

      EDIT: I was so excited about the 'them being receptive to questions' part that I neglected to congratulate you on your performance gains. Congrats! Looking forward to having them myself soon. :)
       
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      Thanks for taking the time to share your experience with us! We truly appreciate all of the compliments. The return you get from when you tweak a few lines of coding is amazing! I have to admit that I have a soft spot for the Cayenne, but the XSport will definitely more than handle its own.

      We will answer whatever questions that you have! Tuning is extremely easy! Your tuner will arrive to you completely blank, and ready to read info that will give us your factory calibration. You email that info to us, and we build you your tunes. When they are built we provide you with an app to download to your PC. This app will allow you to connect to our secured remote tuning server. All that you have to do is click "Update Tuner", and that will send us your factory calibration. Once we get that info to our calibration department we will have your custom tuning files ready for you in 24-48 hours. Whenever your tunes are ready to put onto your handheld we will email you letting you know that you can plug your tuner back into your PC and update the tuner again. After that, just load your tune onto your car and have fun!
       
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      Is there a tuner or chip for the 2016 non-turbo (non-Sport) V-6? If so, which one do you recommend? What type of horsepower and MPG increases are you seeing?
       
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    12. peterk9

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      Welcome to the Forum.:wave:
      Your thread has been merged with this existing one. The Forum has a very handy 'Search' feature (upper right) that can be used to find existing threads/posts on subjects already discussed.

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      First, let me say that the Livernois tune is great but, depending on the drivetrain you have, FWD only versus AWD, there advertised numbers will seem a bit misleading as the numbers they advertise are for a Ex with FWD only. This should not deter you from getting a great tune though, It will be noticed almost immediately whatever drivetrain you have. I am certainly not disappointed. :)
       
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      Been looking into getting a tuner for my explorer for a while. Really interested in the livernois. Nothing on there site says 2011 explorer. Will it work? And do i need a 3 bar map sensor?
       

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      Welcome to the Forum.:wave:
      Your thread was moved here. You are right. If you check the link in the first post you will see that there is nothing for the 2011 and 2012. Not sure what changed from 2013 onward. I suggest that you send Livernois a PM to get a definite answer.

      Peter
       
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      I programmed my '15 XLT NA last week, and man what a difference. Just in driveability the difference is amazing. At the first 100 miles, it shifts really really hard on 1-2-3, but after it adapts it smooths out and shifts beautifully (this is noted in the install documentation they send). Downshifts and power for passing are a definite improvement. I have no other mods than a tune now.
       
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      Here come the questions:

      I'm seeing that there are different tuning profiles for different octane ratings. Are all of these loaded at once, and the ECM/Tune does the rest? Or could I only run 92/93 on that file? I usually run 87 day-to-day, with 93 going in for long trips for the 1-2 mpg increase.

      If I have to load different profiles whenever I want to switch octane ratings, how long does the load take?

      Are the results on stock intake/exhaust? What result was seen from having intake/exhaust? What about themostat and the Map sensor (unless that's just ecoboost)?

      Have you thought of using the H&S Mini-Maxx / BullyDog style platform to gain the ability to shift from 87 up to 93 on the fly? What about the Auto Agent EZ-Lynk setup?

      Would this negate the purpose of the JMS PedalMax and other similar devices?

      Is the tune file truly custom? Or is it just a matter of needing ECM model/version numbers, VIN, etc loaded in that file? Is there really that great of a difference from one vehicle to the next?

      Does the tuner need to remain plugged into the OBDII port after downloading?

      As far as everyone wondering about differences between the 2011-12 and the 13+ engines...there was something changed, because our 2011 would get 22 mpg combined all day long. We can barely break 20 in our 2014.
       
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      Normally a N/A engine manufactured to run of regular gas likely will not derive any benefits from running 93 octane over running 87 in a well tuned engine. Some reports I've read say that those who say it does are likely a victim of the 'placebo effect'. There was a report a few months ago that said that Americans wasted $2.1 billion dollars last year buying higher octane gasoline than what the manufacturer recommended. Even if what you say is true in your case, the cost of an extra 18 - 36 miles a tank likely will not offset the extra cost of the fuel.
      https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0210-paying-premium-high-octane-gasoline
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-premium-g/

      I don't run a 'tune' but from reading the posts here I believe each 'tune' is loaded individually. I'm sure those that have one will correct me if I'm wrong.
      Also the following thread deals with the Ecoboost, perhaps there may be some useful info in it for you. http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/2017-sport-ecoboost-3-5l-tuning.450350
      Good luck.

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      I've heard/read the same and for the most part concur. Had I not been on a 500 mile trip and run both directions in similar conditions (I'm a cruise control fanatic), I would completely believe that it's a placebo. It's not a huge gain, just mild. On my older vehicles I'd get a knock when running lower octane and tipping into the throttle at lower RPM. I believe the modern engines and their variable timing help prevent this.

      I liked what I saw in the video, but I want to get the most bang for the buck. If doing intake/exhaust before going the tuning route does that, then that's where I'll go.
       
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      if you run to the max of the performance curves - like a 93 octane tune would do. Then it makes a significant difference.

      factory tune - it more tolerant of octane difference. Biggest factor on the table though is IAT (intake air temp) and corresponding Intake air mass.

      The hotter you are outside - the more you need either more octane or you need more fuel in the charge for cooling effect to prevent pre-detonation.

      but hey - general articles right. In the SouthEast US - between July and August - temps at 90F I like to put 93 in the explorer - MPG difference doesn't offset the cost completely but it does indeed run better. between october and June I run 87.
       
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      I don't have answers for all of your questions, nor am I am expert on tuning. I'm in the process of adding Livernois tuning to my '17 XLT. These are some things I've learned while researching for my own decision...

      "Tuning" is reprogramming of the vehicle's computer. Only one tune/program can be loaded to the vehicle at a time. The Livernois MyCal device has storage for two different programs - stock, and the modified "tune" of your choice. Switching between two different tunes (or returning to "stock") requires going through the process of reprogramming the vehicle's computer, and is not an "on the fly" adjustment. As I understand it from the information on Livernois' website, the process takes about 10 minutes. After loading the tune, the MyCal device is disconnected from the OBD2 port.

      According to Livernois, it's okay to run higher octane fuel with a tune designed for a lower octane, but it's not recommended to go the other way. I plan to run an 87 Performance tune, but will likely try a 91 tune at some point just to test for any noticeable differences. 93 octane fuel is not available in my area.

      The PedalMax (or similar throttle enhancer devices) are compatible with tunes. This has been confirmed by Livernois, who also offers a throttle enhancer device of their own. However, some of the throttle response improvements gained by the PedalMax will be built in to the Livernois tune. I have been running a Pedal Commander on my Ex for a couple of months, and my intention is to keep running it with the Livernois tune. I like the ability to adjust the pedal response to suit my preferences.

      As far as I can tell, the dyno gains posted by Livernois for the 3.5 NA are with stock intake and exhaust. After tuning, adding an improved exhaust system should result in some additional gains. How much, I'm not sure. An intake may - or may not - gain you a tiny bit more. The stock intake does a pretty good job. My intention is to run an AEM dry filter panel in the stock intake system.

      I'm not sure how "custom" the Livernois tune is. Personally, this doesn't concern me. I'm not looking to push my Ex to the limits of its performance capabilities. I just want a little more excitement. As I understand it, the verification of codes from the vehicle are required to make sure the tune program interfaces correctly with what is already in place. There are some tuners (other than Livernois) that have tunes for '16 and older 3.5 NA models, but not the '17. This tells me that there are some differences which Livernois has adjusted to, but others haven't. I purchased a MyCal device from someone with a Sport who was moving to a different tuning platform. Livernois required that I send the MyCal device back to them for updating the firmware to the correct version for my Ex. While the results of the tune may be the same from Ex to Ex, making sure that the tune interfaces properly does seem to require a bit of customization. I have heard/read that Livernois can tweak certain parameters to adjust the results to a customer's preferences, but I don't know for sure what their capabilities are in that regard.
       
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      Which order you add the tweaks is up to you. The biggest performance gains will come from the tune, which is also cheaper than an intake and exhaust.
       
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      I guess my question is this - if it's truly a customized tune, I should probably do the intake and exhaust beforehand so that they can write the tune to account for the increased airflow.



      I'm familiar with the process. My Super Duty is modified and tuned. There are platforms that allow changing of power levels on the fly - basically by adjusting the timing, fuel maps, etc. Since the main change made between different octane levels is timing, I thought there would be an opportunity there to use one of those platforms so I could switch "on the fly" instead of having to pull-over and reload in the event I'm caught somewhere without 92/93 octane.



      I thought as much. I imagine their profile is set to maximize throttle response. The module may just be redundant.


      K&N is claiming 10-11 HP verified on a dyno for their intake. That's why I think it's to my advantage to have that done, then inform them before having the "custom" tune written. That way I'm maximizing the flow.
       
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      Don't forget that K&N is in the business of selling their products. I think a confirmation from other members here might be a way to go first. Some members of 'untuned' Explorers have actually gone back to stock.

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      Livernois does want to know about any after-market equipment on the vehicle before they send your tunes, which leads me to believe that there are some adjustments that they make to their tune programming to accommodate that equipment.

      I'm not familiar with any switch-on-the-fly tuning platforms for the Ex, but there may be. Personally, Livernois is the only option for my year and model, so I don't have any choice.

      Maximum throttle response would be pretty un-driveable. In the upper end of the Pedal Commander's settings, the throttle becomes essentially an on-off switch - 100% or 0%. For realistic driving on public roads, it's not practical at all. My preferred setting is on the mild side of the PC's range, and it's significantly more responsive than stock. I have been told by Dave at Livernois that throttle enhancers are compatible with their tunes. At this point, I'm just making assumptions based on things I've read. Once I have my tune in place, I can provide more info on how the two interact.

      As Peter mentioned, there have been some people that have removed their K&N intakes. On an un-tuned motor, they seem to be essentially a $300 noise-maker without any noticeable performance gains. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you're after. One of the issues with the K&N intake (and those like it) is that they don't actually do a better job than the stock intake at providing cool air to the engine. Providing a greater volume of air is only a benefit if the engine can use it.
       
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      Interesting reading
      FYI
      Most modern V8 & V6 N/A engines will perform better on higher octane fuel
      As an example the Ford Flex fuel 5.0L, the GM 5.3L & 6.2L all produce about 15-20% more torque & hp when using E85
      E85 is a 108 octane
      wish ford made a flex fuel eco boost
      we could then run 18-20 psi turbo boost & produce a bunch of power
       

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