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Livernois - only for the N/A 3.5L Explorers

Discussion in 'Modified 2011- 2019 Explorer Sport Tuning' started by roamingphantom, January 6, 2015.

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    1. Napalm

      Napalm Active Member

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      no they don't. well not off the factory floor they don't. All of those engines make less HP on E85 than they do on regular gas. Now tuned out for E85 with bigger injectors to drink down the fuel yes they can produce more power. but off the factory floor - no they do not.

      as far as more power on more octane - that's generally true to a point and one of the bigger factors is Intake Air temp. But I'm probably beating a dead horse here.

      As far as the intake question - for the N/A engines they can provide benefit but ford did a good job of making the current kit pull colder air. so the biggest benefit is the better filter media and lack of restriction though the filter. A drop in will probably do just as good. Why is this the case because the same box and tube is similar or mostly the same as the box and tube used on the ecoboost turbo mill - and that pulls even harder. The restriction on the ecoboost mill is not the filter but the piping internal to the stock intercooler. Which is part of why you see the gains on aftermarket intercoolers on other vehicles.

      The biggest flow restriction is the intake valves.
       
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    3. mjlkwolfe@gmail.

      mjlkwolfe@gmail. eco boost fan Elite Explorer

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      I have to disagree with you
      Engines will produce more hp on E85 stock from the factory
      E85 is 108 octane fuel
      However fuel mileage with E85 will about 85% of that with gasoline
      Here are the specs for the GM 5.3L engine
      Type: 5.3L V8 Displacement (cu in / cc):325 / 5328 Bore & stroke (in / mm):3.78 x 3.62 / 96 x 92
      Block material:cast
      Cylinder head material:cast aluminum
      Valvetrain:eek:verhead valve, two valves per cylinder, variable valve timing
      Ignition system:coil near plug, platinum-tipped spark plugs, low-resistance spark plug wires
      Fuel delivery:direct fuel injection with Active Fuel Management
      Compression ratio:11.0:1
      Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):355 / 250 @ 5600 (gas – SAE certified) 380 / 283 @ 5600 (E85 – SAE certified)
      Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):383 / 519 @ 4100 (gas – SAE certified) 416 / 564 @ 4100 (E85 – SAE certified)

      Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/l83/#ixzz4qgtdpQR7
      This is also true of the GM 6.2l & Ford 5.0l V8 engines
       
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    4. mjlkwolfe@gmail.

      mjlkwolfe@gmail. eco boost fan Elite Explorer

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      FYI
      Here is what I found on Fords 5.0L F150
      Mike Harrison, Ford's program manager for V-8 engines

      Want to add power to Ford's all-new 5.0-liter V-8 for the 2011 F-150 without making a single hardware or software change? Just burn E85 ethanol fuel.


      http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/0...iter-v-8-gains-power-burning-e85-ethanol.html

      Want to add power to Ford's all-new 5.0-liter V-8 for the 2011 F-150 without making a single hardware or software change? Just burn E85 ethanol fuel.

      360 horsepower (at 5,500 rpm) and 380 pounds-feet of torque (at 4,250 rpm) running on regular unleaded gasoline.

      Burning E85 fuel boosts 5.0 engine power to 375 hp and 390 pounds-feet of torque, said Mike Harrison, Ford's program manager for V-8 engines.

      Ethanol has a higher octane and heat-of-vaporization point than gasoline, meaning it combusts at a higher temperature and with greater force (higher compression) than gasoline, while also having a greater capacity to cool the fuel/air mix in the cylinder before combustion.

      This inherent efficiency is what enables the 5.0 to produce more power while burning E85 instead of regular unleaded fuel.

      There's a trade-off, though. Even though E85 combusts with greater force, it has less energy per gallon than regular unleaded gasoline, so fuel economy is worse when burning E85.
       
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      unless I can't see it in the link I see no mention of the E85 power ratings.

      I do know where was a recent improvement where they implemented an ethanol sensor in the gas line/fuel tank so as to activate a different set of tables in the ECU strategy code. By doing that I could see getting some slight power improvement at the cost of significant fuel mpg.

      I know people that race their cars on E85 and use custom tuning which does indeed provide a good bit of performance (one is a blown LS3) but in all cases they had to install larger fuel pumps and injectors to deal with the significant fuel flow requirement.
       
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      I loaded a Livernois 87 performance "soft shift" tune into my Explorer on Tuesday. Very nice! Definitely better power and torque. Not OMG!!!thisisinsane!!! power, but a noticeable step up. After my next tank fill-up, I will give one of the 91 tunes a try.

      Being that I bought the MyCal from a previous owner, I was able to get the stock codes before I sent the device back to Livernois for reprogramming of the firmware. They sent the MyCal back to me already loaded with tunes. Since I have no need for tow tunes, and the highest octane gas readily available is 91, I got the following tunes for my Ex...
      - 87 performance
      - 87 performance "soft shift"
      - 91 performance
      - 91 performance "soft shift"

      The "soft shift" is no joke. Upshifts are very nice and smooth. Downshifts are a bit more noticeable than stock, but certainly not jarring.
       
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      Are there any tuning options for the standard 3.5V6??

      I know Livernois makes tunes for the big ecoboost. Thanks.
       
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    8. peterk9

      peterk9 Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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      Your thread was moved to this one that should answer your question.

      Peter
       
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      Livernois does, I just put it on my 2014. I had a 5 Star tx tuner on it before and I really didn’t notice anything from it. The Livernois tuner was night and day different! It was power I could feel! The five star was uninspiring. I used Livernois on my f150 a couple of yrs ago and it was great then too. Should have just got the Livernois tuner in the first place.
       
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      I'm running a Livernois tune on my '17 XLT. Love it!
       
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      Why is there no custom E85 tuning for the NA 3.5???
       
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      Welcome to the Forum.:wave:
      Don't know for sure but perhaps there is no demand or sufficient demand for it.:dunno: Only way to find out is to send a PM to Livernois or call them.

      Peter
       
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      Called and asked. Not enough fuel pump to handle anymore tuning from e85.
       
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      interesting, wonder if we would need a larger fuel pump and injectors or just fuel pump...
       
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      He said would need injectors also.
       
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      unfortunate...
       
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      This Tune No Work In 2012 Ex? :( Only Say 2013+ This Forums No Replay For 2011/2012 3.5 NA
       

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