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Livernois tune experience

Discussion in 'Modified 2011- 2018 Explorer Sport Tuning' started by explosportguy, June 6, 2015.

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      Will be ordering next month! Had to order some weather tech floor mats right away. 3 kids in sports want to make it last a few years lol.
      Thanks for the info! on a 91 tune do you recommend a new MAP? 93 is hit or mis around me.
       
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      I do recommend swapping out your stock 2 BAR for a new 3 BAR along with your 91 tuning. It allows us to better control boost as well as turn it up a bit. Which obviously is the most important part lol!

      There's no need to choose which one tune you want! It sounds as if in your case using our 91 tune would be a better choice for you overall, because you can use either one of the 2 premium fuels that you say are available to you in your area. Keep in mind that you can always run more octane than what your tune was built for but never less! So if you run our 91 tunes you can fill up anywhere with any premium fuel. Whereas, if you load our 93 tuning you must use 93. 91 octane should never be used with a 93 tune.
       
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      Awesome! Is there any issues going back to a stock tune with the 3bar map and the cooler spark plugs? In case it needs to go in for warranty work? Or say I get a 87 tune, 91 tune, 93, tune, and a 91 tow tune, the map and plugs would be fine for any of those?
       
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      There is no issue with the plugs, but the MAP needs to be swapped out for its stock counterpart. The stock tune file will register an over/under boost situation forcing itself into limp mode. Simply keep the stock 2 BAR in the car with your tuner. If you go into any service center simply load the stock tune and 2 BAR...easy fix!

      As for the mods w/ tuning all of our tunes work with all the mods that we offer.
       
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      Is it easy to swap the 3 and 2 BAR sensor for situations such as warranty work? Any pics to show the relative degree of mechanical knowledge needed to do this?
       
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      It is VERY complex!
      Here is everything that you need in order to swap out the MAP sensors:

      1 Screwdriver

      It is that labor intensive! Here are all of the steps to swap them:

      1. unlock car
      2. pop hood
      3. unclip engine cover
      4. unscrew 2 BAR MAP
      5. screw in 3 BAR MAP
      6. pop engine cover back on
      7. close hood
      8. load 3 BAR tune
      9. AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANT OF ALL...GO HAVE FUN DRIVING YOUR CAR!
       
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      As far as tailpipe emissions testing goes (required annually here in GA)- will I or will I not pass with the LMS 93boost tune and 160 (or 170) Tstat and 3-bar?
      It seems the 3-bar swap to OEM is not difficult, but I beg to differ with a Tstat OEM swap...
       
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      We do not have emissions testing here in Michigan at all. All of our parts are marketed as being performance parts. There is a chance that you would get a CEL with any aftermarket tstat installed, but that is not a certainty. Personally, I do not think that 30 or so mins annually to swap your tstat is that big of a deal, but I can certainly see why you would rather not be bothered.
       
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      Don't your tunes tell the computer to ignore an aftermarket thermostat?

      Tony
       
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      Absolutely not!

      You cannot tell the ECM to ignore a system that is responsible for the cooling of your engine. We alter the operating temp that your ECM deems allowable, as well as altering your cooling fan settings to allow for optimal cooling capabilities.
       
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      Good point with emissions testing.
      Here in Canada (in Ontario), our emissiosn testing has converted from the sniff test to OBD "plug n play".

      A CEL is an automatic failure, in which they wont even proceed further.
       
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      I wasn't suggesting to ignore the entire system, just the difference in temperature with the new tstat. Which it sounds like you do. So, why would we still possibly get a CEL?

      Tony
       
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      That is not what we do at all. Nor was what you brought up part of the initial question regarding emissions testing.

      The question was, will running on the stock file produce a CEL with the aftermarket tstat?

      The answer to that is, yes, it is possible that you will have a CEL on the stock file/160°tstat combo.

      Have there been clients that report back to us that they have been able to pass emissions testing in several states with their tune and aftermarket parts on, yes. However, as we do not have emissions testing here or advertise our parts as having any ability to pass we will always recommend to revert the vehicle to stock to ensure passing any testing.
       

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      Please help educate me. Can you eliminate the possibility of getting a CEL by incorporating something in the tune to ignore the different operating temperature of a 160 degree tstat? Regardless of emissions testing. I just don't want a CEL to stare at whenever I drive my car. It's fine if you can't, or if the answer is "maybe." I'm just wondering what may make a CEL come on and what the tune might or might not be able to do to stop that from happening. I'm just being curios, not accusatory. :)

      Tony
       
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      Tony,

      When combined with our tuning you will not have a CEL, because we add that modification into the logic of our tuning.
       
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      Can I run this throttle body spacer with your 93boost, Livernois?
      http://m.autoanything.com/air-intakes/taylor-cable-helix-power-tower-throttle-body-spacer

      Or do you recommend a different/better one?

      I've decided I'm going to do the LMS tune with regapped plugs, 3-bar and 160 tstat. I've also ordered an MDesign intake
       
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      I think this answers my original question perfectly (despite how badly I worded it!). Thank you.

      Tony
       
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      My $0.02, don't bother with the spacer. The performance gains they state(or even a fraction of it) will not be observed on the Explorer and you'd just be throwing your money away.
       
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      We do not recommend any type of intake or throttle body spacers at all. There is nothing to be gained by these mods as the limitations of the EcoBoosts or any MAP vehicle have nothing to do with the volumetric capacity of air.


      No worries Tony, have a good day!:thumbsup:
       
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      I just flashed the Livernois 93boost tune with 3-bar map sensor, 160 tstat, .030 gapped plugs and MDesigns CAI. Took it for a spin and all seems well. Real fun to drive now! I've also changed all fluids to synthetic- oil, trans, rear diff, and extended life DexCool. All but PTU which will be done next week- found out it has to be vacuumed out of my 2013 since the 2013s have no drain plug. Putting Mobil1 synthetic in...and as Livernois recommended, I will fill to the fill line then add an extra pint. Currently 48K miles.
      Also had all windows tinted including the entire windshield. It's really cut down on the heat buildup inside the vehicle.
      H&K lowering springs are sitting in my garage ready to be installed in a few weeks (1.6" front/2" rear) and then 275/45/20 tires will go on in the fall when the current stock 255/50/20s wear out.
      Thanks Livernois and everyone for your help!!!
       
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      You are very welcome! Glad to see that you are loving your revitalized XSport! If there is anything else that we can do please let us know!
       
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      Well, day 1 and 2 were fun. Day 3 (today) I accelerated too hard I guess because all of a sudden "POP" then no boost power anymore. Now I'm limping around all day wondering when I can get it into the shop to see how much damage was done.
       
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      My first guess is that you blew off an intercooler hose. They may need replaced depending upon age and how oil soaked your's are. Slip it back on, tighten her up and see if the fun is back.
       
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      Your first guess was the correct guess! Found the tube that blew off, but not before oil splatted most of the engine compartment. Reclamped it, and checked/tightened all other hose clamps as well. Crisis averted!! Thanks for the help
       
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      A great way to avoid this from happening again you can always use some T-bolt clamps to tighten her up!
       

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