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M90 rebuild (rudy)

Discussion in 'Need for Speed!' started by jd4242, March 30, 2013.

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      I had a feeling something like that was the issue. :(

      Out of curiosity, I surfed summit's site and seen the kits offered the bearings, but not the clutch alone. Then tried to find a bearing only for them with no luck. Need a full centerforce catalog to figure all this out it seems.
       
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      The pilot bearing was the right one,it fits in a sleeve or bushing..i was missing that bushing, its the same bushing that all 4.0 flywheels used..

      Part # F5TZ-6K389-AA
      http://m.ebay.com/itm/322396128077?_mwBanner=1


      Im also using a master for a 06 mustang,im having my ss clutch line made to work
       
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      Some pictures. .it started as a 06 T5,then i changed the tailshaft and main shaft to a foxbody zspec parts 20170904_141520.jpg 20170904_141448.jpg 20170904_140844.jpg 20170904_140803.jpg
       
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      Well went ahead and ordered the right clutch,it was on sale for $470 at ThMotorsports today for labor day so didnt want to miss the sale..thats about $100 cheaper than normal..

      Ill call centerforce tomorrow and see if they can help ID this other clutch..
       
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      So old clutch is for a v6 Mustang but like a 67-70..it also fits the 289 and about a million other cars and trucks like bronco/f150 v6...but definitely not the 06

      Also even though the disc itself looks like it fits the material its made outa is thinner than a 06 so he says dont run it,wont handle as much power..

      The guy i talked to said they dont mark thier clutches with part numbers and only reason he knew is because of the pictures i sent him..said he has been working there for well over 20 years and started on the assembly floor..

      O also interesting fack.. LUK makes the pressure plates and SACHS makes the disc..said thats how it is with about 98% of ALL clutch companies. .he also said the same about rear gears,only like 2 companies that make them and everyone else just slaps thier name on it...he said the difference is in the quality control units the individual companies have,basically how well they check them and what standards they accept. .thats why some charge more..

      SOOOOO ANYONE NEED A CLUTCH...PASS THE WORD..ILL TAKE $200 FOR IT...
       
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      Also im looking for a auto floor plate for a ranger, dont know if same as a explorer...o and the cup holder consol thingy also..

      Anyone have one laying around??
       
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      I read that about the clutches in the past, and I ordered my Performance clutch from Napa, and the tech said the same thing.
      It is the same as the Centerforce equivalent, just less $$.

      I was told that there is about 3 Mass gear manufacturers in the world, and only a couple smaller specialty manufacturers in the States. The real difference in them is a 3 cut and a 5 cut. 5 cut is better, stronger and quieter. More cutting passes= less heat= more precision, but higher costs. Yukon, US gear, & Richmond are all 5 cut.

      Glad you got it figured out, and can move forward at least.
       
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      Clutch should be here friday so this weekend its on to try and get EVERYTHING in and double checked..i still need to measure and try to find a new longer 8 rib belt...

      One issue i found when comparing the two trannys which according to the drawings on them both,shouldnt be....but the new T5 appears to be about 1.5" longer..on a regular ranger this might not be a issue if it had the 2 piece drive shaft or even if it had the one piece at standard height, there is enough slip to accommodate that..

      On mine being lowered and having the one piece aluminum shaft, i dont think im going to have enough slip left afterwards if i install it as is...also my driveshaft is damaged from hitting the bolts in my driveshaft hoop from when my tranny mount broke...soo i need a new driveshaft..

      Im dropping it off tomorrow to be re-tubbed and shortened 1.5"...im also going to talk more about possibly going to a 3.5" and thicker wall to gain some clearance in the driveshaft hoop..currently its a 4" driveshaft and pretty thin wall..we need to go over some details and to see the weight difference and the ""critical top speed" differences..

      Ill post some pictures of the damaged shaft tomorrow but with all this said i wont be able to break the motor in this weekend even if i get EVERYTHING in and find a belt....probably better so i wont rush and have time to double check everything. .
       
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      Got the clutch line back today..basically all he did was cut off the disconnect for the 4.0 ranger/explorer and crimped the disconnect for the Mustang on it..he previously made me this SS line when the plastic line melted..
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      Didnt get time to drop the driveshaft off today but here are some pictures of the damaged. .
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      And here is the very simple solid mount i made, I have solid motor mounts also..i run these in the explorer also and they work just fine..
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      Dropped the driveshaft off today and decided to go with the same i have..the cost different and only gaining a 1/4" on either side just couldnt justify it....had him make it 1" shorter..

      Finished the intercooler also today and sealed it up..went with 1/2" npt to 3/4" barb which is a straight through fitting with a ID of 1/2"...had him crimp 3/4" heater hose onto the fittings so didnt have to use screw clamps,going to replace all my hoses with the 3/4" heater hose..i used clear hose last time and its gotten hard and brittle..this hose is HUUUGGGEEE compared to the 3/8" hose it had going to it before,should really move some water and not restrict my pump..

      Its ON for tomorrow! ! Hopefully i get everything done but belt and obviously the driveshaft,would love to find a belt local and fire it off to check oil pressure and everything before getting thw driveshaft in to break the motor in..

      Wish me luck!! :)

      Pics...still have bolts in temporary till the rtv drys..
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      Thing of beauty you got there sir! :thumbsup:
       
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      Well trans is in mostly. ..as expected i had issues with the cross member. .it all goes back to when i made my solid motor mounts,i had a set of explorer mounts laying around when i went to make them so used explorer engine mounts..well it turned out rangers use a different mount on the driverside,passenger is same as explorer..instead of making a new mount i drilled new holes in the engine crossmember..it also caused that mount to sit 3/8" higher,in turn making the motor slightly lopsided. .this wasnt a issue when i had a rubber trans mount as it flexed and the trans crossmember would mount, well it turned into a issuse as it broke the mount and damaged the driveshaft..

      Well now that i have a solid trans mount the crossmember is crooked as hell,off by about 3" on either side..that 3/8" the motor is sitting crooked equals about 3" on the outside edges of frame rail...i dont have time to pull the motor mount out right now and make a new solid mount out of a ranger engine mount so i used a axle wedge thats used to adjust the driveshaft angle..it works for now but i got a feeling that 3/8" is going to effect if the supercharger is going to fit now with the larger intercooler..if so ill be making a new motor mount here next week,lets hope it clears..someday ill make a new one no matter what and get ride of the wedge in the trans mount..

      But literally i only got the trans in today,nowhere near what i planned to get done..ill know tomorrow if the supercharger fits or not..

      Pics of the clutch and flywheel..PS if you got a aluminum flywheel be careful how tight you tq the clutch bolts,im pretty sure i stripped or about stripped one..its got locktight on it and i stopped as soon as it started feeling funny and left it alone,going to send it as is..hopefully that doesnt fail!!!...
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      For my clutch plate it is only 24 lbs. What do they suggest for that set up?
       

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      Wedge just didnt work out so i took and marked the angle and cut the trans mount i made..then welded it back together. . 20170910_132317.jpg 20170910_132319.jpg
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      Cool shifter adaptor!
      How come you don't use rubber mounts? They break to easy?
       
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      Well .....
      IT FITSSSSSSS....WOOOHHOOOO!!! :)

      i had to take it back off though to mill the snout for the 2.5 pulley and too add oil which i forgot at the storage unit. .but it clears and the hood shuts....calling it a day,going to swing by Wednesday and try to get the supercharger on for final time,measure for a belt,throw the driveshaft in and hopefully get it fired off by the weekend.HOPEFULLY! !


      Yea i break ""rubber or even poly"" mounts like no other..they last about a day or 2 and i start getting a rattle..that shifter is a MGW race version, i do have a 3" extension for it but it falls perfect where my arm rest basically. .the gears are super close and smooth compared to the m5..

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      Supercharger is on for final time..also figured out the belt,its 101" 8 rib...i need to find out how gates does their part numbers for the green or blue belts...anyone know?? The belt i found that fit in stock was a duralast and was 101.3" 7rib and it was tight..

      Tomorrow i plan to get the driveshaft in,the exhaust bolted back up and starter in..hopefully i dont need a 06 Mustang starter

      Friday i need to trim the shifter hole,cut/replace all the IC hoses,test fit the new coil bracket/ install and double check everything. ..

      I should be on schedule for starting Saturday morning. ..GETTING EXCITED
       
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      Screenshot_2017-09-13-23-24-30.png K081000HD is the gates green belt part # and is 100 5/8" long..next would be k081020HD and its 102 15/8" long,think thats going to be too long..
       
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      Smaller or bigger idler somewhere? The 5.4 8 rib tensioner pulley will be one of the smallest off the shelf pulleys you can get.
       
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      I honestly think the 100 5/8" will work,we will see today. .they had it in stock.ive got all those nice expensive metco idlers on there now and hate to get ride of one..lol.also bought a new tensioner, mine the little spring clip broke that stops it from tensioning too far
       
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      It fits..its going to ""break in"" a little too im sure. .also the new tensioner is a much much better design. .
      Just sexy..probably first 8 rib OHV out!!
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      The stops are cast into the mount itself on this one and the spring is much thicker and clips through the body..
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      Can see the "spring" is bent that stops it from going to far,also the tension spring is internal. .this one was definitely shot..
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      New driveshaft 1" shorter fits fine,it wouldve probably cleared without being shorter but fits fine now..really wished i went with a 3.5" tube but at $180 more and 7-10 days out,it just wasn't gonna work..should be fine now the trans is solid mounted, its still very very very close to the bolts in the driveshaft hoop!! Like 1/4" close...
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      Here is older picture of hoop to show how close it is.... FB_IMG_1505437560762.jpg
       
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      Well very disappointing day..couple of issues. ..starters the manual trans wiring harness has a red/blue strip wire that loops,you need to have the harness plugged in to be able to start..the NSS or reverse plugs dont need to be plugged into anything but the harness has to be plugged in to start. .

      Next for some reason the starter was making really bad noise...i pulled it and it looked like the starter gear wasnt fulling engaging. .i dont know why,but pulled plugs and turn motor over and it turns smooth as butter...so put starter back in without plugs and it turns over just fine..didnt try it with plugs again because of next issue. .........

      Next issue is that the power steering pulley is about 1.5 ribs off and cause the belt to jump a rib on the crank..this is worse case because i had to mill the ps pulley to fit and it wasnt a super press fit so i put 648 locktight on it..the 648 is basically liquid metal,if you haven't used it before its great stuff BUT removing it is near impossible. .ill need to torch it to get it off and may need to start with a new pulley,its that strong of stuff..thats not the bad part though, it takes 48hrs for it to setup so cant retry starting for 48 hrs....

      Lastly i blead the clutch many many times and it still feels like there is air in it..there is no bleeder,the 06 you uses vacuum to bleed it..unless that clutch just has a very weak feel to it,its definitely moving the clutch but compared to my old clutch which you needed to STAND on to press,it just dont feel right...

      So wont be making my dyno tune adjust on the 22...

      3 years of R&D and anticipation...just to be let down ...frustration is not the word. .ill figure it out but DAAAAAMMMMM..
       
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      I've had great success vacuum bleeding through the master on the mustang and rangers. Takes only about 60 seconds. I hate messing with the bleeder screw.
       
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      Thats how i always bleed also...just feels like there is air still in it
       
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      It fired right up but you can hear the belt jumping ribs..then can hear the starter getting stuck..or least thats what i gathered from it..this was the very first start..

       

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