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M90 rebuild (rudy)

Discussion in 'Need for Speed!' started by jd4242, March 30, 2013.

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    1. Centaurus5.0

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      You would need approximately 35% more fuel when using E85 over pump gas. You could need up to 20% more volume (based on fuel pressure) if your using E50 to feed the same hp than if you were using gasoline.

      The Ford Racing catalog has a good write up on BSFC.

      The quality of the fuel can also cause tuning nightmares. You may want to purchase something like this to make sure your getting what your tuning for. Consistent fuel quality is hard to come by these days and even vary based on the time of year.
      https://www.summitracing.com/parts/qft-36-e85

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    3. jd4242

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      Thats what i use to mix to e50 and i think we are at about 18-20% more fuel on e50 than my 93tune
       
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      Ah! Okay.

      FYI, your build is way out of my league and I'm just going off what I've read from others on the net. All I can really add (which you already knew) is you need more volume when using ethanol and fuel quality becomes a big issue when dealing with high boost.

      When you get this figured out, you will be crowned King of the Four Liters for sure! (If 4pointslow lets you) lol :thumbsup:
       
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      Yeah, that's a good graph and for E85 taking so much more flow it needs more pump for sure.

      I do wonder about the boost/psi rise though, isn't that 1:1, so 15psi boost plus the base 60psi, is 75psi? I think you're smart to use that higher pressure with the ethanol and plenty of boost.

      I haven't decided if I want to run the base at 40psi or 60psi, with the return system. I figured I'd let the tuner make me lean to one versus the other.
       
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      I actually set my ""base pressure"" of 60psi with the truck running so i gain psi with each drop in vacuum so im at about 77ish before boost comes in and running 18lbs boost..with a better pump i could probably turn that base down to 40ish but ideally you want about 70-80psi under full boost or thats where my tuner suggest
       
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      But i finally caught a break..we have been looking for a new house and we finally got approved yesterday! !!

      Guess who FINALLY got his own garage and a big ass barn/shed/workshop...this im super excited about,i can finally get all my crap outa storage and outa my old mans garage. .
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      That looks awesome!!!
      You buying it?
      Now you can work on your trucks in the warm comfort of your garage.
      Congratulations!
       
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      Still renting for now..gota get the trucks done before thinking about buying a place
       
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      The good thing about renting is if the neighbors complain about you being too loud, you can move away from them!
       
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      Fortunately we are in a zone that has no noise ordinance. So they can complain all they want..lol
       
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      That looks great, I hope you enjoy that new space.
       
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      sweet! so whens the moving out party?
       
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      December 29-jan2...lol we will be kid free pretty much that whole time!!
       
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      not if i was there. im the biggest kid i know, with a really cool toy, and a credit card
       
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      Hahah yea the big kids get to play!!
      We got one of these also,i feel like sometime that weekend im gonna end up past out in it!!
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      So my pump went out again..or thought it did..turned out my netal return line broke and then the pump cane off the feed metal line..

      Ill need a new sender and probably need to add another brace some how..im running the new wires tonight though. .

      Size comparison to the old tre 300lph,its a big boy..i wish i had the money and time to run some new -8an lines but i have neither right now..still think the -6an is plenty for the motor but doubting it will be for the nitrous also so it is on the list...

      I had to temporarily hang my electric winch for now but worked well.. 20180115_205124.jpg 20180115_204512.jpg 20180115_204442.jpg 20180115_204426.jpg 20180115_193720.jpg
       
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      That is a slick way to get at the tank, good thinking to plan that out well. It's a shame to see the pump assembly fail that way. It's a low stress item, so they should last for ages. I hope that new pump rocks for you.
       
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      Take lots of pics on how you get that pump to fit the assembly. Looks like some trimming of the mount, and who knows what else. It looks substantially bigger in the pics.
       
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      It is a bit rounder but length is pretty close and that picture is a funny angle.the bottom support will have to be modded for sure but dont think by much,that black rubber around the bottom of the TRE pump isnt much bigger round than new pump..it honestly looks like not much will have to be done for it to fit..ill know more once new sender gets here..
       
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      That electric winch is awesome!
      How did you attach it to the bed? Did you make a mount for it?

      Did the sending unit rot or just plain break?
       
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      I put mounts in the side of the bed with reinforcements a couple years ago,i use to use the forklift to lift it off..im hoping i have enough height to be able to pull the motor out of the aviator but dont think so..i temporary mounted the winch for now,it actually needs to go on other side of garage so can push the vehicle back out to sit the bed or motor on the ground but i had the ranger towed over and that was the way the towtruck dropped the truck off and i didnt want to push it to turn the truck around..lol

      The metal line just broke,it appears to have come loose from the support and probably just vibrated to the point of breaking the line..new sender will be here Friday so going to look into addjng a brace or something if i can.. 20180115_195319.jpg
       
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      I got 2 sets of wheel dollies from harbor freight this year.
      After having cleaned the garage for the motor work I did last year I found much more room in there. lol.
      Eventually I put the 98 supercharged Ex on them and moved it over.
      I have a two car garage but only one big door and a regular sized house door on the other side.
      With the 98 moved all the way over, I had room to pull another vehicle in during bad weather.
      So far I only used it to keep the 2004 out of the snow so I only had to clean off one vehicle when it snowed.

      But if you ever saw the wheel dollies and wondered about them, they are a good buy.
      They are sturdy and do the job. The 98 Ex is still a heavy truck so moving it with one person isn't exactly easy but it is definitely possible.
       
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      My garage is a one car but with my ranger inside i have atleast probably 6ft around every side of the truck so its a pretty big one car..

      I have seen those actually and was wondering about them..im thinking of getting them so can move a vehicle around once inside the garage to either side so could have more room..i need to get the garage more organized and empty out my storage unit here soon so ill know how much room i really have..lol
       
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      Shop carefully for those dollies. My friend and I bought two pairs over ten years ago, and those didn't roll worthadam. We never used them after fighting the one car one time, pushing it about 15 feet sideways. The wheels on these dollies were cheap quality, too small and didn't turn with any weight on them. We were figuring on replacing the wheels at some point ..., now it's been 10+ years. HF has lots of good stuff, but you have to be careful about the important things.
       
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      I used those dollies under the front end of a 1st gen donor, with no front suspension, to get onto a trailer. Lol
       
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