whiteknight1982
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- 2002 Explorer Limited 4X4
Hi guys- I'm new to your forum, and I have some questions.
I have a 2002 Explorer Limited, V8 4.6 litre 4X4 and I love it, but the ATX transmission is toast. I never did like auto's, and would rather modify this once to accept a manual transmission and keep the 4X4. I have searched a bunch of info, but I am not sure if this has been successfully done by anyone here to know if it is in fact do-able.
The last post I've found that seems close is below:
According to what I have been able to find out so far:
Can't remember who posted this in another thread, but I copied it for reference. (apologies to O/P)
I've looked up on transmission info and found the following trans ID codes regarding the M5R2 transmissions for 4 wheel drive applications:
f150 '97-'98
F65A-BD
F75A-DA
F85A-DA
f150 '99-2000
XL34-ZB
XL34-ZC
f250 '97-'98
F65A-FD
F75A-DA
F85A-DA
f250 1999
XL-34-ZB
XL34-ZC
1. Will any or all of these work (ie; direct bolt up to bellhousing, input output shaft splines compatible, transfer case etc?)
2. Does anyone know what the differences are between the years, or between f150 vs. f250? (ie:Are there differences in bellhousing, input or output shafts, or gear ratios?)
3. Can I still use the electronic t-case from my truck? (Would prefer this, for costs, and cleanliness inside cabin, though I'm not opposed to doing fabrication or modification work- These posts talk about the manual transfer case from the f150.)
4. can the ECU simply be flashed to tell it to ignore the (lack of) input from the missing 5R55S (I think that's the ATX that's in it now)?
I don't need heavy duty, my Explorer is a daily driver, don't tow often and don't do much off road- I'm just trying to see which options might work, so I can broaden my search, maybe find a lower mileage transmission, and hopefully save money. (Or based on the differences, if all of these would work, is one of these better for a daily driver?
Thanks in advance- would love to have her fixed and back on the road with three footpedals! (I'm not including the e-brake!)
Dave
Edit March, 2016
Sorry for the delay in posting- but this DID get completed!
For those of you who are interested in how this was done- read on. I am going to post up my pictures of what I needed to do to complete this swap.
I have a 2002 Explorer Limited, V8 4.6 litre 4X4 and I love it, but the ATX transmission is toast. I never did like auto's, and would rather modify this once to accept a manual transmission and keep the 4X4. I have searched a bunch of info, but I am not sure if this has been successfully done by anyone here to know if it is in fact do-able.
The last post I've found that seems close is below:
According to what I have been able to find out so far:
Code:
macknos94
05-29-2010
Here is what you will need to swap in a manual tranny with the 4x4 t case.
Tranny and slave out of 97 body style 4.6 f150 along with a manual t case from the same style truck. Clutch peddle out of 3rd gen along with the master. Then the hydro line can come from any manual 3rd gen ex.
As for the clutch and flywheel you just need one for a 4.6 f150. Last but not least a tune to cut out the electric tranny and t case stuff. It's a straight forward swap and you won't have to do much cutting besides the shift and t case shifter.
As for the drive shaft length I haven't gotten that far but they should be the right length.
Can't remember who posted this in another thread, but I copied it for reference. (apologies to O/P)
You would need to look for a 5spd from 4.6 or 5.4 equipped 97+ F150 same with the transfer case. 4406
I've looked up on transmission info and found the following trans ID codes regarding the M5R2 transmissions for 4 wheel drive applications:
f150 '97-'98
F65A-BD
F75A-DA
F85A-DA
f150 '99-2000
XL34-ZB
XL34-ZC
f250 '97-'98
F65A-FD
F75A-DA
F85A-DA
f250 1999
XL-34-ZB
XL34-ZC
1. Will any or all of these work (ie; direct bolt up to bellhousing, input output shaft splines compatible, transfer case etc?)
2. Does anyone know what the differences are between the years, or between f150 vs. f250? (ie:Are there differences in bellhousing, input or output shafts, or gear ratios?)
3. Can I still use the electronic t-case from my truck? (Would prefer this, for costs, and cleanliness inside cabin, though I'm not opposed to doing fabrication or modification work- These posts talk about the manual transfer case from the f150.)
4. can the ECU simply be flashed to tell it to ignore the (lack of) input from the missing 5R55S (I think that's the ATX that's in it now)?
I don't need heavy duty, my Explorer is a daily driver, don't tow often and don't do much off road- I'm just trying to see which options might work, so I can broaden my search, maybe find a lower mileage transmission, and hopefully save money. (Or based on the differences, if all of these would work, is one of these better for a daily driver?
Thanks in advance- would love to have her fixed and back on the road with three footpedals! (I'm not including the e-brake!)
Dave
Edit March, 2016
Sorry for the delay in posting- but this DID get completed!
For those of you who are interested in how this was done- read on. I am going to post up my pictures of what I needed to do to complete this swap.