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Discussion in 'Offroad Fabrication - Bumpers, Sliders, Cages etc.' started by MountaineerGreen, December 16, 2006.

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    1. MountaineerGreen

      MountaineerGreen Towing Moderator Moderator Emeritus

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      Week after next, before Christmas, I have a few days off and am going to make some sliders. :D

      I am going to buy a used chop saw on ebay and should have it before I get ready to start.

      I have read many, many slider threads and have the general idea of what I want to do, but am debating on what materials to use.

      Round?
      Square?

      Cold Rolled?
      DOM?

      I am leaning towards some heavy wall approx 2"- 3" round tubing to try to keep a factory running boards kind of look. I will remove my factory steps and put these in their place. I looked at a 4 door X today with factory tube style steps, and I think I will mimic that general style and spacing.

      I am new to this whole sliders thing, so your input would be much appreciated- thanks!
       
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      I dont think you should ask us or else we'll "taint" your creative mind. I say you go with what you feel works, build it, and then post pics :D I'm sure you can come up with concepts that are unique. Just dont spend the extra $$ on DOM and save it for the X-mas presents :D
       
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      MountaineerGreen Towing Moderator Moderator Emeritus

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      Christmas is all bought and wrapped- :)

      So just heavy wall mild steel will work?
       
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      Yeyeah
       
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      I'd go with 2x3x1/4" wall rect tubing for the bars and then 2"x2"x1/4" wall square for the arms and 1/4" plate for the mounts to the frame.. Just look at my old truck's slider thread.. Those suckers worked great..
       
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      IZwack - I can get that stuff through work free or very cheap :)

      Blee, I read your thread when searching for ideas- Ill go back and reread
       
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      Hey fantastic :D Send me you're left over afterwards :D
       
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      Id do it this way. Mine are 2"x2"x1/4" square for both the main part and for the braces going back to the frame. I added a 1.5" tube off the side more to pivot on then to protect from rocks hitting the rocker. Ive seen more bent tubed sliders then I have squae ones.
       
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      That makes sense, I looked at Blee's and they look pretty good. And I think from an engineering standpoint, square or rectangle is stronger than round from the side. Think of a beer can-

      Plus, rectangle or square will be easier to work with. Ive bout decided to go rectangular. 2 x 3 probably .25 wall. I'm not going to fool around with anything lighter.

      I still have some 4" wide .25 thick plate left from my superlift work, which is a big plus.
       
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      I washed the underside today, so I can work without crap falling on me. I took some pictures of my factory running board brackets. I was thinking of attaching the sliders to the frame and making some tabs to bolt the sliders in the holes on the body for extra strength. That way there would be no way they could cram into the body.

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      My question is, if I do this will I risk breaking something when the frame flexes? Will this cause noise having the body bolted directly to the frame? Other problems?


      Here is a profile picture of my running boards- I am going to move the sliders out a little bit more than they are.

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      I would advise against making your sliders wider than your tires because they will get you hung up on trees where your tires can squeeze through but your sliders can not.
       
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      Good point, I do want them wider than the body though to help prevent body damage. Eventually, I want some wider wheels, I think my rear track is too narrow.

      So, what do you think about tying the sliders to the body?
       
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      Oh ok, i understand.
       
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      IZ, I appreciate your input on this, I am going to try to find the best width to stick them out, I don't want them to look silly or unnecessarily stick out, but I want body protection and functional steps. Its going to take some time go get it just right.

      Has anybody done what I am thinking about doing as far as bolting the sliders to the body? Is there a reason others haven't?
       
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      i have not done this but im interested in what the outcome is. keep me updated.
       
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      I think the main reason why is because the body will crumple upwards once a good amount of weight is put on it. For example, say you were straddling two large rocks and one of the tires were to slip off of the rock. Well most slips happen pretty quickly with plenty of energy coming down on impact. If the sliders were bolted to the body, the slider will force the body to crumple upwards or at least bend as the slider will act as a lever bending whatever it is bolted to.
       
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      So if it tied them to the frame with heavy plates, probably 3 per side, braced much like Blee's are, then tied tabs to the body, do you think that will still bend the body up?

      I am not wanting to bolt to the body for strength, rather to keep it from flexing either the sliders or the frame and bending the body.

      Make sense?
       
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      Oh okay, I think I understand what you're saying.

      But I think the body is supposed to flex a little bit. That is why it is on rubber mounts. If you were to tie the rock slider to the chassis and the body, then that would elliminate any flex from the body. As to whether or not thats good, I dunno :D
       
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      I'm going to bolt mine to the frame. Just in case i ever have to remove them for some reason, i just need to unbolt them, instead of breaking out the grinder and grinding down the welds.
       
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      I think you've got what I mean now. I just wonder how much the frame and will flex? Or how much the sliders would flex to allow me to bolt the body and frame together?
       
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      I wouldn't worry about them flexing that much. I wouldn't tie them into the body (on an explorer). Just make some nice beefy plates to welded to the frame with good outriggers to the sliders and you'll be fine.
       
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      I will bolt mine to the frame as well. I don't want to weld on my frame with fuel lines and what not behind the frame, especially on the drivers side. That way if I ever get a body lift, I can modify them.
       
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      The frame will flex alot, and I do mean alot!. I know someone that they put a first gen on a lift and used the sliders too lift it. The sliders almost flexup into the doors. :eek: and it was all frame flex.
       
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      ^^^ Thats what I am worried about, and is why I was thinking of bolting the sliders to the body and frame. The frame would take the biggest part of the forces, then the body brackets would only keep the sliders from touching the body, causing damage.

      But I am worried about what happens when I drive over something and the front wheel comes off the ground, the frame flexes in relation of the body. I wonder if the sliders bolted securely to the frame would pull the body in odd ways?
       

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