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Discussion in 'Need for Speed!' started by Dono, May 22, 2015.


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    1. Dono

      Dono V8 Limited turbo and retired SC 4.0 OHV Elite Explorer

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      Yea, I'm comfortable with the shop and their attention to detail.
      I did ask about bent rods, and they had already measured them up. No issue there.

      The short block came from Ford Strokers. The motor was apart aster the initial startup when the oil pump drive gear sheared, but I can't see the parts changing and causing pistons hitting the crank. I'm not exactly sure what happened and can't point any fingers, but it does look like the block could have been machined to better tolerances and better attention to detail should have been taken at some point.
       
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    3. Dono

      Dono V8 Limited turbo and retired SC 4.0 OHV Elite Explorer

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      I stopped by the machine shop today. The machinist found a couple of rods that were clearly bent. This is obviously from when I hydro locked the motor going down the 1/4 mile track way back when. Frustration sets in.

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      Dono V8 Limited turbo and retired SC 4.0 OHV Elite Explorer

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      Yup, 4pointslow called it.

      2 rods with a very slight 'arch'.
      Funny thing is, quite a few miles wen't on that motor while it had the bent rods. lol.

      Best to get it all fixed up properly before trying again. Its at least a few more weeks away from getting it back home to complete final assembly and drop in.
       
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      April Fool's Day. Keep at it.
       
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      ARP head studs this time?
       
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      They were ARP head studs last time.
      I bought them used, so maybe they were not torquing properly? No idea on the history.

      Anyway, new head studs this time.
       
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      small update.
      Rods are in, and measurements taken.

      The HX bearings I provided are too loose. The tighter bearings showed up this morning. He hopes to balance the assembly this weekend. Then he can assemble the short block as its cleaned and ready to go.

      With any luck, I'll have the motor back this weekend to start assembling the rest of it.

      I'll see if I can swing by Tim's and pick up his engine stand over the weekend or early next week. I think I use his stand and lift way more than he does.
       
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      shoot for mid week. the amount of vehicles i have in my driveway right now i am looking like a used car lot lol
      1 person, 4 trucks. you know when you had too many hotwheels as a kid when.....
       
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      What rods are you using?
       
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      They are the scat pro stock I beam rods.
      Not an expensive rod, but forged. 4340 steel.

      With the stock block, I'm sure ill bust it before the rods.

      I also asked more about the bent rods. The bent rods were attached to the pistons that were hitting the crank.
       

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      Put a skirt on the old ones and send them to me. :)
       
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      If you want em, pm me your address.
      They are yours for cost of shipping.

      Just because I'm concerned that they might be contributing to the source of my head lifting issue, they are free. Remember, I was using these studs when I hydro locked my motor.
       
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      I understand the concern. I will put them to good use and let you know how they hold up. I'm good at stress testing....
       
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      Those are ARP studs, nothing like the torque to yield made to stretch parts. I too would have considered changing the old ones given the issue, but I wouldn't hesitate to reuse the old studs in something else.
       
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      There are fake ARP studs being sold, eBay was one of the places they showed up.
       
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      Hmm, that's not good to hear. The counterfeit market has grown with the internet to include a lot of things we all have interests in. We have to watch out for deals that are too good to be true, for anything these days.
       
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      I bought my new head studs from Summit racing, so there is absolutely no question about where they came from, or their history.
      I'm reasonably certain that the head studs Josh will have (still in transit, seems pretty slow delivery time to me) are ARP, but what do I know? 4pointslow does raise a point that we need to be careful buying used, or off ebay.

      motors back home on a stand.
      I had the machine shop install the heads and look for issues (They also lightly decked the block surfaces).

      One of the issues they saw was the Head locating dowels TFS-51400420 seemed a hair too long. This would keep the head from drawing tight against the block. Machinist said that they are beautiful hardened steel dowels, but the non hardened ones crush as required and are easier to work with. Head gaskets are .043 in height, so its not like they are super skinny gaskets. The machinist just shortened the TFS dowels a few thou.

      Its funny that just last week I was reading about a guy that ran in to the same thing. Something for anyone else doing r&r on their heads to be aware of as a possible issue.

      Now with the block home, I can't get to assembly. Work and family are getting in the way. I will get started finishing assembly next week.

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      I was looking on eBay for ARP studs when I came across a couple stories of fake ARP stuff.
      At least you know you got real stuff.
      Hope you find the time to get back to it, I am still trying to get back to my stock 98 4 door to look into the trans problem more.
      Not enough time in the day.
       
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      Look!
      Its a knock sensor!!!!

      Tim, recognize the heavy duty block to frame cable you made for me?

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      Then came a dilemma.
      I'd read about another header gasket made by Earl's (929D03AERL(.
      Same idea as the remflex 3028, but with a core around the outside that was not soft. I did have a remflex blow out on me (Remember, turbo back pressure in the exhaust) so do I try them?

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      Here's what the crush looks like with the Earl's

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      And, my 2 year old Costco battery died.
      Most likely because I ignored it(and the truck) in the garage all winter.
      Anyway, I tried multiple times charging it, within 2 days it would be below 70% capacity.
      I remember 4pointslow saying that the AGM's do not corrode the battery terminals and how much he likes them.
      Long story short, I found a way to order a battery out of province at a great deal and only pay one tax with free shipping. So, back went the battery for a full refund (I love Costco warranty). Thank you Costco.
      So, for another $150.00 I now have a yellowtop. Thanks 4pointslow. lol

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