Dismiss Notice



Register Today It's free! This box will disappear once registered!

notajeep_wv D44 hp SAS

Discussion in 'Offroad Projects' started by Four0Sport, January 10, 2012.

  • Searches ExplorerForum.com
    1. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      Thats good to know James, thanks!

      RH C is off, seemed like we worked the weld with a grinder forever before we finally saw the crack. Still got some lameness going on though, lower ball joint stud is seized in the C. Tried a long punch and a sledge, tried a C press, drilled the majority of the center out but the thing wont budge. Guess I'll have to take it somewhere and borrow some heat.
       
    2. Support EF

      Join the Elite Explorers for $20

      Explorer Forum has probably saved you that much already, and will continue to save you money as you learn how to diagnose fix problems yourself, and learn which modifications work without having to experiment on your own. Elite Explorer members see practically no ads, can add their own profile photo, upload photo attachments in all forums, and Media Gallery, create more private Conversations, and more. Join Today. Your support is greatly appreciated.


      to hide adverts.
    3. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      210.jpg 211.jpg 212.jpg 213.jpg 214.jpg
       
      Last edited by a moderator: January 28, 2018
    4. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Torsion Bar Free Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 1, 2008
      Messages:
      8,823
      Likes Received:
      256
      Trophy Points:
      103
      City, State:
      STL MO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      94 XLT-95 FX4
      What did you do to line up the outer C back to where it needs to be?
       
    5. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      angle finder and measuring tape. low-tech out this way, but it worked. lol
       
    6. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      To catch up from where this left off... the narrowed hp 44 is doing great. No driveability issues, pinion angle is great, corrected a caster problem and performs well.

      Now on to current issues. It became apparent to me that my rigs cog is too high. I'm top heavy and it shows on off camber obstacles and hill climbs. I need to replace a main leaf so I'm thinking about removing the extra full length leaf and overload which in theory should lower the rear close to 2 inches. Am I foolish fir staying soa? I like the clearance and haven't had issues with axle wrap.

      Front might not be so easy. Currently I'm running 5.5" eb coils and a slightly trimmed engine crossmember. I know any lower and I'll have to heavily trim and support the crossmember. Would the eb 3.5" coils lower me 2"? I'm afraid the spring rate and smaller coil diameter will lower it more. I would keep the springs I have now and move the buckets up but I have too much money in the duff brackets.

      Thoughts and ideas appreciated
       
    7. FR-425

      FR-425 Used to be a road here. Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      November 21, 2013
      Messages:
      2,541
      Likes Received:
      43
      Trophy Points:
      68
      City, State:
      Phoenix, AZ.
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1994 Explorer Limited
      Cut the front coils one half turn at a time until it matches the rear.
       
    8. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Torsion Bar Free Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 1, 2008
      Messages:
      8,823
      Likes Received:
      256
      Trophy Points:
      103
      City, State:
      STL MO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      94 XLT-95 FX4
      Unfortunately, Anything to increase front travel is going to cost some bucks. :(

      I just went over the entire thread again to see what arms your using. As far as I can tell, your using the stock EB arms? Not sure if you extended them and by how much if you did. I would consider going longer to help increase the travel and thus helping the "Feeling" of high COG with off camber stuff.

      I def wouldn't use the 3.5" coils.

      Someday you will be installing hoops and long travel coil over shocks. These seem to be the best option for the most articulation possible. Check out BKennedy's, Ricks, & Turboexplorer's builds. They all run the coilovers/SOA, and they all have mad travel, and no complaints about off camber situations for the most part. Rick installed the anti-wrap bar set up.

      Someone here would buy your JD stuff if you ever change it up. ;)

      Oh... The more you use it, the more you will want out of it. This trend will take a stock Explorer, and eventually turn it into something that nobody even knows what it was to begin with. In other words, it never ends, until you seek professional help, or the wife threatens to leave you over it. :D
       
    9. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      Good points... ultimately I know the truck will be on tons and front coil overs. I do have extended arms in my garage waiting to go on.
       
    10. Kirby N.

      Kirby N. Well-Known Member

      Joined:
      February 6, 2001
      Messages:
      2,083
      Likes Received:
      12
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      Colorado Springs, CO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1991 Ranger
      The extended arms will help a lot. My exploder felt really too heavy with stock arms, when I wristed one it opened up a lot more travel that happened easier in the front. Then instead of flopping the body around on every obstacle it would articulate the front in unrestricted.
       
    11. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
    12. turboexplorer

      turboexplorer Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 23, 2008
      Messages:
      1,937
      Likes Received:
      11
      Trophy Points:
      48
      City, State:
      Eagle Mountain, UT
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      98' XLT 5.0L 4X4
      I recommend against cutting or modifying springs. Buy the appropriate spring for use when you know what you want. Another benifit of being on coilovers.

      I don't have any off camber concerns when wheeling and like gmanpaint said I'm on coilovers and SOA.
       
    13. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Torsion Bar Free Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 1, 2008
      Messages:
      8,823
      Likes Received:
      256
      Trophy Points:
      103
      City, State:
      STL MO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      94 XLT-95 FX4
      Something cheap and easy to help with the hill climb concern. I'm sure your feeling the front springs unload as you ascend, and feeling like it might flop front over back.

      If you hook your winch to the axle and compress your front suspension before you climb a steep hill, you will negate the front unloading and decrease the front from feeling like it is going to flip backward, while increasing your front traction at the same time. Some people install a small 2k ATV winch just for this purpose. They leave it attached to a welded ring on the axle tube, and increase/decrease the load rate as needed. Acts like a center mounted, push button adjustable limit strap.

      Just an idea is all. LOL! :D
       
    14. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      thought of that.. might one day down the road. dont tell anyone but i bought my wife a TJ so now I have to throw money at 2 vehicles.
       
    15. Kirby N.

      Kirby N. Well-Known Member

      Joined:
      February 6, 2001
      Messages:
      2,083
      Likes Received:
      12
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      Colorado Springs, CO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1991 Ranger
      Bc broncos sells springs in 1/2 inch increments up to 7". They are a low spring rate (my best guess is 170-180lbs) and they are linear rate. I dig them. I ran them on my explorer and now my ranger.

      Don't be a closet jeeper! Tjs rock! My wife has an 06 lj rubicon and stock it will go further than my modified ranger.
       
    16. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      I have my eyes set on a 06 LJ... one day I'll have it. But for now I'm trying to get the best use I can out of the Explorer. Don't want to throw too much money at it seeing as the body looks like crushed aluminum foil that was stretched back out. I have the extended arms in my garage, just need to build a crossmember to mount them. Only other thing I was thinking about was hydro assist steering.
       
    17. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      ahh you guys have me thinking about coil overs for the front now.. time to read up on them, I am not exactly an expert. good thing I have some awesome build threads on here to occupy my time.
       
    18. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      Bought a couple things recently.. ones in my garage, the other still under a friend's project truck.

      215.jpg

      thinking about links up front, possibly 3 of them, and either more woopows under the hood to turn over the extra weight or keep the 4.0 and go with a doubler.
       
      Last edited by a moderator: January 28, 2018
    19. yostyexplorer94

      yostyexplorer94 1st Gen Mod Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      September 6, 2006
      Messages:
      555
      Media:
      2
      Likes Received:
      53
      Trophy Points:
      38
      City, State:
      Newburg, PA
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1994 Explorer
      Callsign:
      yosty
      well well well, haha

      Congrats on the ultimate adventure! I watched it on youtube. I just wish they wouldn't have focused their cameras on the higher end rigs as much. Looked like one hell of an adventure!
       
    20. yostyexplorer94

      yostyexplorer94 1st Gen Mod Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      September 6, 2006
      Messages:
      555
      Media:
      2
      Likes Received:
      53
      Trophy Points:
      38
      City, State:
      Newburg, PA
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1994 Explorer
      Callsign:
      yosty
      How did the cooper stt tires hold up and would you get another set if choosing new tires. I am looking to upgrade to radial tires someday.
       
    21. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      Thanks man! It was the experience of a lifetime that's for sure. It left me feeling like a d44 and 8.8 are inadequate even though I know they aren't. This 60 won't be narrowed though.. full width 60 and rear 14 bolt, 5.13s and detroits.

      I really like STTs.. great mix of a radial and max traction tire, I will not however call them a mud terrain because of their lackluster clean-out ability. For the UA I had Falken Wildpeak MTs.. another not-so-mud terrain. They do however clean out slightly better than the Coopers but the sidewall isn't as aggressive as I'd like. For the TJ I bought for the wife I got a set of Mastercraft MXTs, and the few times I have had it out they have performed great. I'm a sucker for Cooper tires.

      What I am torn between however is doing a 5.0 4r70w bw4406 swap or just keeping the 4.0 that won't die and adding a doubler. Hoping you can lend your thoughts since you've had that doubler for a while now.
       
    22. yostyexplorer94

      yostyexplorer94 1st Gen Mod Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      September 6, 2006
      Messages:
      555
      Media:
      2
      Likes Received:
      53
      Trophy Points:
      38
      City, State:
      Newburg, PA
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1994 Explorer
      Callsign:
      yosty
      Sounds like a good game plan!

      There is no real reliable doubler maker for the rbv. If mine breaks I am almost certain I will be on my own to get it fixed.

      The 5.0 opens you up to many transmission and doubler options.
       
    23. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Torsion Bar Free Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 1, 2008
      Messages:
      8,823
      Likes Received:
      256
      Trophy Points:
      103
      City, State:
      STL MO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      94 XLT-95 FX4
      5.0 / 4R70W / STaK 3 or Atlas 4. is my dream swap for the Explorer.

      I'm not a fan of the 4406 swap at all, for a trail rig.
       
    24. Four0Sport

      Four0Sport Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 26, 2004
      Messages:
      2,968
      Media:
      36
      Albums:
      1
      Likes Received:
      49
      Trophy Points:
      58
      City, State:
      West Virginia
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      1993 2dr
      Spent about 8 hrs on the trails today.. and thought about what to do to it next.

      then this happened..

      216.jpg
       
      Last edited by a moderator: January 28, 2018
    25. RockRanger

      RockRanger Elite Ranger

      Joined:
      January 14, 2001
      Messages:
      6,110
      Likes Received:
      120
      Trophy Points:
      83
      City, State:
      Fresno CA
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      86 ranger no more
      Callsign:
      KK6TDL
      The doubler is one of the best modifications I have made to my truck. I can take my truck places that I would have never dreamed of with out it. I would take it over a solid axle if I had to choose one or the other.

      This is the downside to the doubler. To bad someone hasn't come out with a good doubler setup. I think it is the one thing holding back the RBVs. If a reliable doubler ever came out rangers would be much more popular on the trail.

      What do you not like about the 4406? Just curious as someone who is looking for one to swap into my wife's 01 daily driver.
       
    26. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Torsion Bar Free Elite Explorer

      Joined:
      August 1, 2008
      Messages:
      8,823
      Likes Received:
      256
      Trophy Points:
      103
      City, State:
      STL MO
      Year, Model & Trim Level:
      94 XLT-95 FX4
      For a DD, the 4406 is fine. I was referring to using it for a trail rig.

      A few reasons I am not a fan for the trail, is the output shaft is not sealed. If you lose a shaft, it will puke out the fluids. Most of them are old, and they are a crap shoot with wear on the internals. They have clutch packs, and plastic parts that go bad easy, causing it to pop out of low range, when you need it the most. Not to mention the size & weight of it. Smashing the tunnel to fit, and cutting the gas tank mounts/skids, is just a PITA. Then there is the VSS to deal with.

      For a few bucks more, using the Atlas, or STaK mini's, you have a reliable gear driven unit, with way more options like a doubler gives. Straight up bolt in, and no worries of failure really.

      This is just my personal opinion now, so take it with a grain of salt. :D
       

    Share This Page







    We Support Our Troops!