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Discussion in 'Offroad Projects' started by Four0Sport, January 10, 2012.

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      Pretty sure StaK isn't around anymore. Trail Worthy Fab kind of picked up the pieces and developed their own called the Hero transfer case available in 2 or 3 speed configurations. They are super beef with 40 spline outputs.
       
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      i actually spoke to behemoth in a few emails last fall about a doubler.. my only thing is do i buy a doubler for the 4.0/A4LD and then when i go to tons and eventually 40s be needing more motor and have wasted the doubler?

      a 5.0 4R70W combo does open me up to many more options and a more reliable drivetrain. I have a complete 97 5.0 Exp donor, only thing holding me back is tackling the wiring.
       
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      I read the entire Behemoth thread, watched the video for the kit how to. It looks pretty sweet, and I like the small size of it, but at the end of the thread, it turned ugly about them.

      Jack, you say you talked to them recently. What was your take on them?
       
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      The wiring can't be that bad. That is the answer right there. When we eventually get my wife a new car the 5.0 in her explorer will probably end up in my ranger.
       
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      No one seems to like my answer to this question, but I have some experience and an opinion so here it goes.

      I think a 5.0 sounds like a butt load of fun to drive. I may do one some day for that reason alone. However, from my experience any engine conversion high dollar or budget that I have built or owned had some reliability quirks. I know some people have figured out those quirks, but it has been a learning curve and definitely not overnight. Heck, even my hemi swapped lj that a shop performed and I had 18k in receipts from the previous owner had its quirks that affected reliability.

      That being said, there is a reason i held out for a 4.0 manual everything ranger. I looked high and low for one actually. The 4.0 is adequate. With my 5.13s and 35s it does great on the highway, even on the passes. Plenty of power. Even for towing heavy stuff it is fine. It's not a hot rod (definitely not a hemi lj) but it is fine.

      I don't think the swap is worth the reliability compromises and the sheer amount of work.

      A doubler is definitely less work. I enjoyed the d and d doubler I installed in my explorer. It was fun to build it too. However, there definatelt is a good amount of work. Mounts (engine and tranny), shifters, moving cross members, welding in the filler plate, moving the gas tank, driveline lengthening and shortening, speedometer issues, etc.

      When it was all said and done, I added up the cost and the time and I think it would have been easier and within a few hundred to go with an atlas instead.

      That being said, I will not do another doubler. I will do an atlas and be done.

      I know Matt said the doubler was more significant than the sas for him. For me, I would much rather have (and do have on my ranger) the solid axle first. For ride, reliability, suspension travel, etc. the solid axle is the single best mod I have done to a truck and I love it in my ranger even without a doubler and lockers. However, my ranger went from stock to 35s with my sas. It wasn't like my exploder where I modded suspension multiple times and was running 34s any way. I did the ranger right from the start.

      All that being said, my ranger may never get an atlas. I can deal with smoking the clutch a little in the really rough stuff for now. Besides, when it's that rough I risk having a crushed pop can body like my exploder. I don't want that.
       
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      It's a slippery slope I travel with this vehicle. The sheet metal looks like a prune, the inner part of the tub is separating at the wheel wells but the frame is solid and the narrowed hp44 and 8.8 are built fairly well. So do I keep throwing money into it or beat on it the way it is and keep the tons for something else?

      This has kept me up many nights and had me distracted all last evening. My wife probably thinks I'm depressed.
       
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      For many of the reasons Kirby listed, im keeping the 4.0 and (eventually) getting an atlas. Even on tons/40's the 4.0 is more than enough when geared properly. I would find an awd 5.0 explorer in decent shape and build that before i would do a 5.0 swap.... but that's just me. I can sas a vehicle alot faster than i can do a motor swap (i hate wiring).
       
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      I've been thinking about that a lot also
       
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      Keep the 4.0 swap in a c5/4 form the early ranger. Use any tcase or doubler setup that can be bolted to a c4 stock or aftermarket. Stock engine reliability with a better then stock auto and tcase setup. You loose OD but run a little less gear in the axles (4.56 vs a 5.13) and make up for it in the tcase. The one down side to the atlas is the single low range. A 4 or 5 to one is nice in the rocks but when blasting thru the snow the factory 2.48 is awesome.
       
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      I rarely used single low in my tcase. I never switched between ranges when out on the trail because I had to stop completely. It was easier to go to double low all day long 5th gear between obstacles. Which was true in the snow too. If I was deep and thick and I wanted slow wheel speed I would do low range and use a higher gear if necessary. Faster stuff I could use high range. I never used 2 low because Duffy said it would break and if I used 2 low he wouldn't warranty it. After I waited so long for my parts from him I didn't want any warranty issues.

      Like I said, I loved the doubler and it was a cool experience to build and use, but I won't do it again.

      I had 0 issues with mine. The only issue I had was an oil leak between the cases after the first install. So I yanked it out and re glued it and let it sit for a few days and dry.

      I don't mind a manual for wheeling. Of course an auto is conveinient, but I know how to change a clutch and it is easy. I can't rebuild an auto tranny. I am scared. I converted my Navajo after I smoked to a4lds.

      Also, I did speak to Jaime (410fortune) recently and him and his dad are doing conversions for a fee for others. If I was going to put a v8 in, I would pay him to do it. He has some great experience and mad skills. I am lucky he is close.
       
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      Tell Jamie to stop by and say hi sometime. It has been to long sense he has been around here.
       
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      I'll take your word for it Dave. Thanks for the heads up..

      I wasn't necessarily recommending Behemoth just an alternative to doing a double transfer case type set-up.
       
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      Didn't mean to be so blunt but they've screwed over quite a few people.

      NWF seems to be reputable, but you won't be able to mount their box without an adapter to the 4.0. Luckily they just came out with such an adapter so you can bolt any 6 bolt t case to the 4.0...which is pretty much every case out there.
       
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      I would not recommend sending any money to Behemoth Drivetrain. Just don't do it lol!

      Read this thread on North West Fab. They could possibly hopefully be producing a rbv doubler

      http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/motor-tranny-t-case-performance/2064025-nwf-eco-box-billet-planetary-doubler-case.html
       
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      A long time ago I almost purchased an adapter plate from Rulebreaker on therangerstation forum. It adapted the 4.0 to except a small block ford bellhousing. I almost bought it but found my m5od on craigslist so I told him I didn't want it. I wished I had bought it, If for anything just to have it!

      My plan was to run that adapter plate and an m5od out of an f150 (which I already had one sitting there) and run a doubler with a dana 20. An np435 was in my mind too but I swapped on in my wood truck and holy f^^k they are heavy pigs.

      I was trying to think outside the box of how to get a lower crawl ratio.

      I would be like a lost puppy without my doubler and I hope that day never comes!
       
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      I'll throw another variable into the mix..

      ..I'm expecting our first child in June
       
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      Congrats, hope all goes well!
       
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      I don't have their adapter but I do run a black box with a 205 behind it and really like this combo
      Only real down fall is how far down the 205 hangs, but it is no lower than my radius arm brackets.
       
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      selling the 60 and some other parts I had laying around paid for the arms just about. I can't complain about the 44 I built, its held up well and I haven't broken yet so I will continue to run the axles I have until i have issues. I'm still running stock 8.8 shafts so I can't be beating on the truck as hard as I think I am.
       
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      After spending the majority of my time at work today reading through BKennedy's sas thread a few things have become apparent.

      1) This thread isn't long enough

      b) There is soooo much good info in that thread

      3) It gave me more reasons to improve on my setup instead of jumping to ton axles prematurely.

      Can't say enough that this site has helped me more than any other source of info I've ever come across.
       

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