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Re-Torque After New Wheels

Discussion in 'Tires & Wheels' started by ExplorerDMB, February 26, 2006.

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    1. ExplorerDMB

      ExplorerDMB Moderator/Technician Moderator Emeritus

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      This is kind of a safety issue that I've noticied a few companies are having. My brother bought some Eagle Alloys for his Ranger and had them installed at the shop I work at (I didn't work on it thankfully). Anyhow, few months pass and he was coming home from college and his right rear wheel almost fell off. The lugs somehow backed off. Now - there's no hard evidence that it was because of the wheels needing to be retorqued - but what makes it harder is that he was up at Virgina Tech the day before with a damn UVA sticker in his back window. Pranksters - maybe? Anyhow, so he bought a new wheel and he was good to go.

      Months later I had to go to a 4wd shop and get some lug nuts and I noticed at the bottom a disclaimer:

      So this is more or less a question with a tip - Be sure to retorque your wheels with new wheels (I'd retorque them atleast twice). But has anyone else ran into a problem like this?

      My story: I have had my American Racing Diamond Backs for awhile and I've never had to retorque them and when I take the lugnuts off they are always tight as their suppose to and if I do retorque them they already click at 100ft lbs.

      Reason I'm asking: I just put some new '03 Cobra wheels on my girlfriends mustang (click here for pictures) and I don't want her wheel(s) to fall off going down the highway in Richmond. I plan on retorqueing them no matter what just to play it safe, but I was just wondering if anyone else has any horror stories because of not re-torqueing.

      -Drew
       
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    3. spindlecone

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      No Horror storys thank god, wheelworks in my town has the disclaimer set at 100 miles
       
    4. ExplorerDMB

      ExplorerDMB Moderator/Technician Moderator Emeritus

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      you're right it was 100. Did you ever ask them why?

      -Drew
       
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      Never did, am certain it is an insurance issue.
      The reality of it is I believe, if they use a TQ wrench, as they should and say TQ to 90 lbs, when you re-ck them, you will not see any change, I never have. Do It if it gives you piece of mind, probebly best to ck them as soon as you get home from the tire store, some of the techs are not the brightest bulbs in the box.
       
    6. ExplorerDMB

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      you're right - I also hate it when I see techs using torque sticks

      anybody else...

      -Drew
       
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      Way back when I bought my wheels, I was also advised to check the torque everynow and then when they were new.
       
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      always check the torque. ive been kinda **** about my lugs ever since i had my wheel fall off (no, it wasnt my fault). Every time i hear a noise from the wheels i check all the torques. the first couple weeks after it fell off i drove around with my torque wrench in the pasenger seat. I would always make sure to retorque em after a hundred or so miles.
       
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      In my experience, wheels, especially aluminum ones, expand and contract with heat. Your brakes heat up, making the aluminum expand and contract when cooling which can make your lug nuts loose. After they loosen up some, vibration does the rest. It’s not a matter of not enough torque at install, rather heat. I have had several custom wheel dealers tell me this and I have experienced it myself. I went back to check my lugs and they were not really loose, but not nearly tight enough. If you read all the fine print on big tire shops tickets, they usually have a line in there telling you to check the lug nuts.
       
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      Mountaineergree is correct IMHO, aluminum is the reason. For anyone who might buy wheels soon, look for the ones with steel inserts in the lugs, such as MT's. Wheels w/o inserts will oval out over time.
       
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      I like all this information. Please keep it coming. Any kind of expierence will be great to hear! :thumbsup:

      -Drew
       
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      where i work we actually suggest this with all wheels after they've been removed for any reason....as mostly a precaution.
       
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      you mean any wheels? Even steel wheels that have been on vehicles for years?

      -Drew
       
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      How will they oval out? if you maintain proper TQ on the lugnuts, If you have the proper conical lugnuts that exactally center the wheel, unless the rim is loose and moves.
      I don't see how that is possible.
      Have run alloy rims since they were Magnesium, have never seen any oval out.
       
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      Torque is the issue. Dissimilar metals expand and contract, basic science.
       
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      Sort of like when they tried Aluminum wireing in houses.
      Agreed about dissimalar metals, I think if the TQ is checked on occasion, will be no problem.
       
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      I have the stock aluminum wheels and have never seen one of them loosen up. I do remember seeing the "re-torque after 100 miles" on the Sears receipt after I got an alignment though. I figured it was just a liability thing-- if the tech didn't torque them right and they fall off after 100 miles, they can say they warned you. From the above it sounds like it can actually be a problem though.

      The few times I take my car to a shop (alignment or new tires), I always loosen and retorque my lugs ASAP to save my rotors from getting warped.


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      after i got my wheels last year i checked them after about 100miles. they had loosend up. i re-tq'd them and kept doing that for about 500miles. after that they kept nice an tight. i just put them back on for the summer and i need to re-tq them cause i got new lugs and i wanna be sure.
       
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      A question about retorquing. Do you loosen them then retorque, or just straight ahead?

      I've read somewhere than trying to torque something that's already been tightened isn't accurate.
       
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      Damn good question
       
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      Wish someone had a damn good answer for it. -_-
       
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      When i bought my steel wheels a couple months ago the guy said i had to have these aftermarket lug nuts for these new rims.So i got them and we had them install the rims and lug nuts.Well the next week i heard a slight banging noise coming from the rear passenger side tire.When you have a car or truck for so long you know this like the back of your hand.I told my wife that the noise was there and she didnt think anything of it.Well i checked and checked the tire for nails screws or anything that would make that noise.I found nothing.So im thinking ok maybe im dreaming this up.Well a few days after that the noise got 10xs louder and the truck would wobble like crazy.Then i knew something was definatly worng.And my wife finally felt and heard it for herself.So i take it back to the alignment shop giving them hell about not doing something right and they get the tires off.Well come to find out these lug nuts i had to have were too small for the studes and the whole truck.And they were backing off and the rim was banging against them trying to come off.I could even see where the paint from the rim and the area around where the lug is against the rim was being banged off by the impact.So i put on the old lugs from the stock rims and no problems since then.We went back to the place i got these rims and gave the hell too.Told them i have 2 children with me and that they were giing me my money back.When i walked out of there i had 130 bucks in hand and a FREE filter K & N filter cleaning kit.

      Sorry that was so long.But that was my experiance.
       
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      Good question etc, according to Modern Tire Delaer

      Tire Rack recommends
      But the do not mention loosening the lug nuts.

      Still looking for a valid answer as of now. I shall continue the self conversation. Stay tuned!
       
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      Makes sense to loosen and re-TQ on a cool wheel, never would have thought about that.
      It would seem that the TQ values on a hot wheel, would be higher than on a cold wheel.
      I ck mine every couple mos. just for drill, are always the same, 95 lbs
       
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      I just got a set of Crager Soft 8's and the box said to re-torque after 25 Miles. Insane, but bet your ass i will do it.
       
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      So is 95 lbs/ft OEM recommendation? Does this apply for all years or certain year Explorers? I've been trying to get the torque spec for my Ex but I'm getting different numbers thrown at me.

      Overtightening is also a good way to warp rotors. Yet 9 times out of 10 a wheel shop will not take the time to torque down a wheel. :mad:

      Nothing like doing it yourself. I've invested in a proper torque wrench and highly recommend it to everyone else.
       

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