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Rocker Panel Replacement - No Welding, No Bondo

Discussion in 'Body Work & Detailing' started by BBQgreg, December 25, 2017.

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    1. Mbrooks420

      Mbrooks420 High Voltage. Elite Explorer

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      No one mentioned any garbage GM products. There was also not a mention of a body on frame being a requirement for superior “unrivaled build quality”.

      The Land Cruiser is absolutely an equal, or better(not just coming close by any means) than a third gen Explorer. Factory lockers available, superior off road product support, stout reliability. The same with is true of older Troopers.

      The 4.6 was in maybe 25% of the Explorers so the majority of them have several crap design flaws ignored by Ford in attempt to save $$$ on engineering and production updates.
       
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      The 4.0 SOHC is a quality motor, that is why you still see plenty of 2nd 3rd and 4th gen explorers on the road most of them 4.0 equipped not to mention rangers and sport tracs(granted you take extra care of the motor). Ive got 295,000 on my original motor, never had to open the motor, haven't even replaced any of the timing drive yet. Ive only had to replace most of my engine gaskets with the exception of head gaskets and block cradle gasket. I supercharged it around 200,000 and its still runnin strong and I am currently working on building a 4.0 to 4.3 or 4.4 stroked and m112 blown V6 and also building a performance 5R55E. Id like to see somebody with a highlander or land cruiser say the same. I wont include Honda pilot in that because I know that thing wont make it that far. Although I will say based on the quick bit of research I just did the land cruiser does seem to have a beefier chassis frame. but the highlander and land cruiser and pilot are unfubugly. Explorers look so much better. Plus if you wanna talk vehicles outside the ones mentioned Ford alone definatly takes the cake in build quality compared to Toyota and Honda.

      But as far as this rocker panel build goes he did do a decent job even though its not structurally sound but its prolly not worse then some of the rusted to hell rocker panels ive seen on our explorers. He still does have the option to do some spot welds. He could go to harbor freight and grab their cheap spot welder and do his spot welds. If it were me I would definatly adhere it to the forward section of the front door jamb and the rear section of the rear door jamb and the B-pillar and most likely even the bottom of the door jambs and then spot weld to the underside pinch weld and spot weld under the sill plates. I really really wish I could find rocker panel replacements like this for my 2001 explorer sport 2dr. All I can find are the stupid slip on knockoffs. If anybody knows where I can get the official rocker panel replacements I would greatly appreciate it. Or even if somebody down south is willing to go to a junkyard and cut out rockers for me from an 01 to 03 sport Id pay decent money. I'm looking to have the full rockers cut at the floorpan up to the bottom of the door jambs. Ill post a picture illustrating kind of what I'm looking for.
       
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      Sometimes you get lucky with a SOHC, is all. Doesn’t make it a quality engineered motor. There’s been long term engineering failures with just about every generation of the Explorer.

      Pretty sure the same can’t be said of any of the models I mentioned. I’m sure there are plenty of land cruisers more modified than your explorer, as well as more past the 300k mark. They are also much heavier duty, capable, and would make it much further off road entirely stock.
       
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      IMO luck has nothing to do with it. If were talking modified vehicles then you can make any vehicle better then the other. However the newer land cruisers look like their mostly geared towards on road use not so much off road. But the older land cruisers are cool. And the 4.0 SOHC is definatly a quality product. Most of the failures in the 4.0 SOHC result from already existing problems in the motor that a person doesn't know of or doesn't care to take care of. If people were simply able to monitor oil pressures in the bottom end and in the cylinder heads and stop the motor once oil pressures aren't right then that would prevent a lot of the 4.0 failures. But like I said at least 80% of 4.0 failures result from a non maintained motor or a pre existing problem that's not being taken care of or somebody that just doesn't care or doesn't know.

      And if you really wanna talk about long term engineering problems just take a look at Toyotas gas pedal recall that affected over 18 different models of Toyota (2009–11 Toyota vehicle recalls - Wikipedia) Now I call that a Big Time Long Term Engineering problem, none of the explorers, rangers or sport tracs have anything that comes even remotely close to that kind of engineering failure aside from maybe air bag inflator recalls on the older explorers, rangers and sport tracs and that recall really depends on what region of the US you live in because of climate. And perhaps the caliper bracket recall on the saleen XP8s. O and maybe perhaps the SCDS (Speed Control Deactivation Switch) recall but you gotta be an idiot to actually have your vehicle burn up because of that. O and I forgot to mention the Firestone Tire situation where ford and firestone basically accused each other but it really boils to being firestones fault IMO. But as for Toyota's gas pedal recall hundreds maybe thousands of cars were totaled because of the most basic idiotic engineering failure not to mention many many people injured sometimes fatally and tons of property damage. I'm also now reading about an ABS module software issue recall for Toyota as well which affected 3 Toyota models but did result in a decent amount of injuries. So in conclusion if you wanna talk about long term engineering failures that have been bad enough to actually harm people or property I think Toyota takes the cake on that one and that includes the highlander.

      Now I'm not talking modern day Fords because in my opinion they are shit, Ive worked at a Ford dealership as a tech now for 3+ yrs and ive never seen so many wiring problems or trans problems with brand new off the car carrier vehicles like in the focus and fiesta with clutch shudder problems, the Ford SYNC system is total crap especially for ppl with iphones and trust me I know that for fact because I'm the main SYNC guy and wiring guy in the shop. their are so many recalls and problems for new fords that I could just go on because I know just about all of them lol. And theyre putting wayy too many modules in these new vehicles. My truck has like 3 maybe 4 programmable modules and like 6 or 7 modules total, thas plenty and one of the main reasons why 1st to 4th gen explorers are much more reliable. The only Toyotas I would ever buy would be the supra of course or a celica all-trac (had one once) or Top Gears Toyboata Hi-Lux Diesel(and I hate pickups) that they tried to destroy numerous times but couldn't, it started every time.

      I don't see a Supercharged Land cruiser makin it to 300k without doing timing drive work or some other reason to open the motor or trans or some other drivetrain work.
       
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      I just read most of that Toyota gas pedal recall on wiki and saw this and thought it was pretty funny: The Camry's braking distances with a purposely stuck accelerator were also shorter than that of the Ford Taurus' regular stopping distance. LMFAO
       
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      I think a supercharged land cruiser motor would be just as likely, if not more likely to get to high mileage markers than a SOHC. The SOHC failures isn’t always about maintenance.
       
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      Ok can you tell me what you think some common failures are on a 4.0 SOHC that's runnin tip top?

      And a supercharged land cruiser 4.7 will not make it 300,000 miles with out doing timing belts and since its a belt and not a chain its more likely to break and since that motor is an interference motor I would say that motor is more prone to grenade then a 4.0 V6 because it has belts and not chains especially if the 4.7 did make it to 300,000 miles without a timing belt change because even if it did miraculously make it to 300,000 without a timing belt change, chances are its not going to last much longer and if the motor was supercharged and you put full load on that supercharged 4.7 motor with 300,000 mile old timing belts they would surely snap. The 4.0 has chains and chain guides that are constantly lubricated and can last a long time when properly maintained. The 4.7 timing belt has pretty much a set lifespan, its just gets worse and worse, it doesn't maintain itself. Not only that but that 4.7 V8 only makes a measily 228 horse at 4,800 rpm but it does have decent torque at 302 lb ft at 3,400 rpm. The 4.0 makes about 205 horse and 250 torque so the V6 is right there with that 4.7 V8 as far as power. My current setup is making 335 horse and 300 lb ft. and wait till I finish building my 4.3-4.4 stroked and blown motor with a bigger blower then I have now.

      From 01 to 03 Ford made 1,222,886 explorers for the us and Toyota made 21,014 land cruisers for the US. Yes I know their are a lot of trims of the Explorer but obviously the 4.0 V6 is far more popular then the 4.7 V8 land cruiser and it has nothing to do with the fact that it may have been a cheaper vehicle.
       
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      Timing guides and tensioner are the problems. Who said it wouldn’t need belt changes? Those are maintenance items, EXPECTED to wear and be replaced. How often does your trusty Ford book say to replace the tenisoners? The SOHC motor has timing component failure at a much higher rate than the average timing chain motor, of any manufacturer.

      I’m done hijacking this thread. If you would like, start a new thread on it, and we can argue until you are blue in the face. I’m sure you will see you are in the vast minority who thinks the SOHC isn’t a piece of trash.
       

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