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Thanks,
i'm off to autozone - i don't know how long my tape is going to hold.

can you confirm the fit and part number. I will be going over Thursday to get it. Would like to call and make sure it's in stock first.

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Tiger, I want to thank you for your post. I have the same problem with my wife's 04 explorer SOHC 4.0. I went to autozone and advanced auto parts and got the same come P0174. Didn't know if the 02 sensor , or MAF sensor was bad. Today I picked up both parts and will be returning both of them for a full refund. I hafve full confidence when i remove the cover tomorrow I wiil see the same cracked elbow you are referring too. Again, thanks my brother.
 






Just wanted to let you know I have a 2003 Sport and was able to fix it because of this thread I had the exact same issue as described. THANKS!
 






I never said what kind of elbow I used. I went to NAPA and got a hard plastic elbow and attached 5/8 fuel line on either end to slip over existing lines. It fixed it and I am hoping that I won't have to replace that hard elbow for a long long time.
 






I am having this problem with a 4.0 sohc, it is getting horrible gas mileage and is running rich, however its not throwing any codes? I put it in the shop and they replaced the IAC, MAF and did a tune up, but i am still having this problem. It wont idle right, it jumps between 600-1000 and sometimes up to 2000 rpm, when i am in drive and put it in park, it idles down and eventually dies. Idle is really rough, especially when the motor is cold (it will die several times)
 






Tiger, I want to thank you for your post. I have the same problem with my wife's 04 explorer SOHC 4.0. I went to autozone and advanced auto parts and got the same come P0174. Didn't know if the 02 sensor , or MAF sensor was bad. Today I picked up both parts and will be returning both of them for a full refund. I hafve full confidence when i remove the cover tomorrow I wiil see the same cracked elbow you are referring too. Again, thanks my brother.

Any update? i have a 00 4.0 sohc, did the maf and iac to no avail.
 






does anyone know if a 00 4.0 sohc could have this same issue?

I am going to inspect it tomorow
 






Hey, Just a "heads up"....engine production for the 4.6....the Explorer engines(aluminum block) were all produced in the same plant as the Mustang engines so any hard to find parts can sometimes be found using the like year Mustang listings. (specifically 02-04) the Mustang went to the 3-valve in 05, followed by the Ex in 06.;)
 












I had the same exact problem in my 2003 Sport-Trac V-6.

Same fix except I used a piece of hose bought at Autozone for $8.00

Infamous hose leak before:

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and after:

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I have a 02 Sport, 4.0 SOHC with 160k and had this exact problem. Couldn't find a replacement at the auto store, so I used radiator hose with a 90° bend and it worked perfectly.
Be careful using coolant hoses in the PCV system. If the hose you are replacing has direct contact with oil, oil vapors or gas, the hose will fall apart from the inside(leaving chunks or rubber falling into the engine). Coolant hoses are NOT PETROLEUM safe. You would need an emissions hose or fuel hose.
 






i guess the '02 v6 is different as mine doesn't look like that. Still no luck tracking the shake down
 






Be careful using coolant hoses in the PCV system. If the hose you are replacing has direct contact with oil, oil vapors or gas, the hose will fall apart from the inside(leaving chunks or rubber falling into the engine). Coolant hoses are NOT PETROLEUM safe. You would need an emissions hose or fuel hose.

The hose I got from autrozone was a heater hose.
 






Man!!!! Thanks for the post! I have had the light on for a little while and noticed my '02 v6 Sport trac idling heavy this AM.

Tonydp-=-- remove your plastic cover over your engine --look on the left side of the engine and you'll see it.


Thanks everyone!
 






I'm guessing this is not the same on a 1998? Because I have a similar problem and was trying to locate the same hose on my engine and couldn't find it.
 






Nevermind, found it, wasn't the problem
 






Tony,

That does not look like the same engine as my 2003 V6 Sport-Trac, but they are supposed to be the same Cologne V6 according to my research if you have a 2002 Explorer V6. :dunno:

Anyone else help Tony out?

With the engine running & hood open you should hear the air leak if it's the 90degree line in question.
 






On my 2002 XLS with the 4.0 V-6 the PCV valve is on the left (drivers) side between the back of the valve cover and the fire wall. Its a bear to see or work on. I replaced the PCV valve but did it by feel. I will dig into it deeper this weekend to see if I can get the elbow off mine and check closely. We been to a mechanic twice, replaced the usual (plugs, wires, fuel filter, IAC, MAF, PCV valve and air filter) and ran sea foam through it in the tank and vacuum lines. Still nothing has helped. Still have occasional rough idle and surge when stopping and seems to be worse in the rain or when the AC is on. It just has to be vacuum, but we've gone through a can of starting fluid and found nothing. If the PCV hose doesn't do it, I'm thinking of having the system smoked.
 






Well I pulled my PCV hose off this weekend and it is fine. Rats! Back to searching.
 



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Rubber elbow replacement

I'm closing out this thread with some additional information some of you, specifically with 2002 4.6L V-8 engines, might find interesting.

I had a hell of a time trying to locate just a replacement rubber elbow. I did a little research on the web concerning rubber elbows used on vaccum systems on Ford products. I discovered this is a very common problem not just in Explorers but all Ford autos using the rubber elbows. I don't know why you can not buy just the rubber elbow from Ford. They make you buy the entire assembly that uses the rubber elbow.

I went to my local Ford dealer's parts department thinking that if I have to buy the whole assembly then I'll just do it and consider myself lucky since I was able to self diagnose and repair my rough idle problem so easily. The parts department punched in on their computer parts inventory system the year, model, engine type and even the VIN number to pull up a diagram of my engine's emission control system with parts diagram. It looks like this:

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They ordered the assembly labelled 6C324 insisting that this was what I needed and pointed out that the drawing even shows the rubber elbow plugging into the throttle body. When the part arrived it was ridiculously obvious that that assemble was not correct. Thinking it must be the other assembly in the picture labelled 6A664 they ordered that one. When the second assembly arrived it was also obvious that it would not fit my engine. They were baffled and said they didn't have a clue as to why neither assembly would fit. In the end they suggested I go to a junk yard and retreive a rubber elbow off a junked Explorer.

I called a couple of junk yards but no one had a 4.6L V-8. I then went to NAPA and Carquest in search of a rubber elbow. Neither place had them and neither place had a clue as to where to get one expect to insist that my local Ford dealer was the only place with such replacement parts.

I ended up going to a different Ford dealer to see if they were a little more on top of their game. I ended up going throught the same "riga-ma-roll" as I did with the first Ford dealership. Both dealerships were just baffled and at a loss as to an explanation as to why they could not find the right replacement parts. Finally, a fella at the second dealership got the idea of trying to locate an engineering number off of the original assembly. Thankfully, with a little digging around in my engine compartment he was able to cut off a tag on the original assembly with an engineering ID.

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Confident he was easily going to figure out this mystery he plugged in the engineering ID into his computer only to find that this number doesn't exist for a 2002 Explorer. In fact, for some reason he was unable to locate the actual part number for this assembly. A crossed referenced part number to the engineering ID would have allowed him to get a list from the computer of all the cars that use the assembly. In the end, on a whim, he walked back to the parts bins that contained a hodge-podge collection of emission control vacuum assemblies and started looking for one that matched my original. By some stroke of luck he actually found an assembly matching that of the one on my engine.

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Finally, not only did we have what I needed but we also had the part number of the assembly. The parts guy punched the identified part number in the computer to find out what cars used this assembly. To our amazement this is what was displayed:

Mustang - years 2002, 2003, 2004
Explorer/Mountaineer - years 2003, 2004

The only thing I can think of is that my vehicle is a March 2002 build and therefore has a 2003 engine configuration. I've heard of mid-year production changes but this was ridiculous because the drawings on the Ford computer systems didn't reflect this change nor were there any notes. What is really disappointing is that the Ford dealership pulled up the emission control engineering drawing for a 2003 Explorer and it looked identical to a 2002. Anyone with at least a 2002 or 2003 V-8 that uses the pictured PCV vacuum tube assembly is going to have the same problem I had locating a replacement.

If any of you have a 2002, 2003, or 2004 Explorer or Mountaineer with a 4.6L V-8 and are having the same issue with replacing the PCV vacuum tube assembly and it looks like mine you'll want to have your dealer to order:

Part Number 2L2Z 6A664 BA
Motorcraft KCV-129
Engineering ID Number 2L2E 6K817-BC

In the end I'm glad I replaced the entire assembly. The rubber fitting that plugs onto the PCV value on the other side of the tube was starting to deteriorate too. Because of my troubles, the parts guy at the second Ford dealership sold me the vacuum tube assembly for $16.17 instead of charging me the normal $28.76 price. He also sold me a Motocraft PCV valve for $9.05 instead of charging me the normal $16.09 price. I figured that with 91K miles I might as well change the PCV valve while changing out the vacuum tube assembly.

Lastly, the X is running normal...no rough idle problems and no Check Engine light. Who would have thought that that hole in the rubber elbow on that vacuum line could cause those 7 Check Engine codes?

I am very appreciative of this post! I had the exact same problem with my 02 4.6L Explorer and your post led me right to the problem. I am commenting to let everyone know if you need a quick fix to this problem, ( in my case it was the weekend and the dealership were closed ) I figured out a $10.00 fix.
I went to Advance Auto Parts and bought a molded radiator hose
( part # 80400CS ) with a 90 elbow in it. The hose cost me $9.99, and it has an interior diameter of 9/16" , it fit perfectly. I simply took my razor knife and cut out the elbow. It slips nicely into place and the problem immediately went away.
At the time I am typing this I have just driven all weekend ( including a 3 hour trip ) with no issues at all.
 






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