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Running an OCC (Oil Catch Can) on the 3.5L Ecoboost

Discussion in 'Modified 2011- 2018 Explorer Sport Tuning' started by JimiJak, February 18, 2014.


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      @ MiWiAu, your OCC is mounted right behind the front bumper, which is in direct path of cold air; but how do you access the drain valve?
       
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      JLT was also my first choice (plug 'n' play) and easy removal when bringing the EX for service, but after comparing with the RX; it does not appear to be very effective.
      Not trying to dissuade you by any means, but I hope your decision goes above their reputation.
       
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      There seems to have been a couple of revisions in regards to the installation of the RX Performance type systems with the three hoses. My new '17 Sport has an EGR feedback sensor in the factory line from the front valve cover to the fresh air piping going to the front turbo. Normally during OCC installation the valve cover fitting is capped and the OCC is plugged into the factory quick connect on the air intake. Does anyone have a set of instructions for this setup with the EGR sensor? I'm going to call Tracy Lewis Performance in the morning but the curiosity is bugging me.
       
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      Mr. Lewis just returned my call and answered my questions. I was wondering if leaving the OEM line alone and installing the CSS to the airbox would affect the flow on that sensor and trigger a CEL and apparently that does happen in 50% of the installations. Their solution was to remove the sensor from the OEM line and put it into a short piece of 3/8" hose. This hose gets installed with a "T" fitting (1/2" x 1/2" x 3/8") into the line from the rear valve cover to the center port of the can. I'm going to check with Ford parts and price out a new hose. If it's reasonable I'm thinking about removing the sensor fitting from the OEM hose and installing it into the OCC dirty side hose without having to use the aftermarket "T" fitting as that might look cleaner.
       
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      This all started because I was shopping Tuners, I was looking for a mileage increase tune.
      Somehow that turned in about 3 hours of reading, videos, and shopping for the OIL Catch Can. The blow back into the ECOBOOST engine seems to be something serious that should be addressed.

      The JLT 3.0 Oil Separator I have seen posted on here looks great because of the easier install. But I question how effective it is because it is only working on "one side" of the PCV system.

      The videos of the 3 line RX Oil Catch Can kit show how effective it is, but it's not as easy to install, you have to drill your air box, and it's more than twice the price of the JLT.

      That being said, has anyone had any recent experiences installing either of these?
      Or the good or bad effects after installation?
      Also any mileage increases after installation?

      Thanks, always great info on here!

      (if you haven't gotten lost on this subject yet, search "catch can" in the forum, see you in 3 hours)
       
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      In general, I like this guy's videos. He's got a good one related to the catch can for the ecoboost.
       
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      Your thread has been merged with this one on the general discussion of adding an oil separator/catch can. For what it's worth, there apparently is already one installed from the factory.
      There are also individual threads on the JLT and the RX.
      http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/new-jlt-oil-separator.404902/
      http://www.explorerforum.com/forums...formance-catch-can-for-explorer-sport.403101/

      Peter
       
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      Ok, thanks! Those were all part of what I read (and Watched) for a few hours after searching the forum. I was trying to bump this topic hoping for the latest info and Still wondering if anyone is seeing mileage increases?
       
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      I have been reading this and seeing youtube videos regarding OCCs in other Ford vehicles. Here is a good explanation and install video.



      Anyway, has anyone installed one of these on a 5th Gen Ex? One of the symptoms the guy was talking about was black soot in the tailpipes. I am not that much of a mechanic but I can follow directions and the installation of the OCC plus the hoses, clamps, etc., does not look too complicated. I will have to ask Ford if doing this voids anything. I would think it would but if it keeps the engine cleaner or increases mileage, I can't imagine it would mess anything up.

      Anyone done this yet?
       
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      Sorry, I missed this question from a while back.

      I extended the drain hose through the frame and put a ball valve on the end. The valve ends up being tucked up just under the lower fascia.

      http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w449/mauskings/OCC Install/3_zps39jmgzx7.jpg
       
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      OCC won't help black soot accumulation. The EB is tuned fairly rich from the factory. I have a custom tune (a little less rich than OE) and still get soot, even with the OCC.
       

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      Anyone can test the effectiveness of any can against my designs. Here is a very detailed, 6 month long independent test done as well. Watch the entire video closely, and may have to watch 2-3 times to understand all:



      JLT and others have excellent quality products, but there is no can the equals or exceeds our 95% plus effectiveness and with a patented design, doubt any others can without directly copying ours (as UPR did but have changed to an less expensive design again). We invite anyone to perform the same test and see....the closest any come in general is only in the 30-50% range. Not even close. The entire principle behind these systems is to stop all of the oil and other contaminates as well as provide full time evacuation, not just at idle, deceleration or very light throttle as most others. We emulate the functions of a belt driven vacuum pump but for the street as it retains a closed emissions compliant system (not in CA, no CARB cert yet) and I can further share the results of a cumulative 2 years study with a fleet of new GDI vehicles that is even more eye opening. Oil analysis showing in one instance taking existing oil already past the fuel dilution condemned levels and bringing it back into acceptable levels, etc. And yes, reduces soot on tail pipes by reducing emissions as well as the increased fuel economy due to reduced knock retard. Any technical questions, just ask and beware of the counterfeits from Mcnally and rxspeedworks!!
       
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      Really? From what I was reading from different mechanics, that was supposed to be a sure sign of crap not getting burnt properly. Interesting...
       
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      There are dozens of threads in other forums (no need to put links to competing forums) that show the results after running these systems and reduces the amount of soot buildup on the tips (they include pictures). I have no doubt most catchcans will not have any effect as you can see how much of the oil and other contaminates pass right through them so the benefits are limited. ANY catchcan should be better than none as even a soda can with 2 fittings in catch the same percentage as 90% of the cans on the market (empty cans with fittings). A tune as well optimizing A/F should help slightly as most are rich from the factory, but a properly working set of catalytic converters can burn as much as 1 qt of oil per 1000 miles and not smoke, but soot is increased. All be aware also of a small percentage of the HPFP pumps leak and spray raw fuel direct under the valve cover as well. There are TSB's on this.
       
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      Thanks for the good info....I will have to do think about this a bit before I do it...
       
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      Hello Forum Members: I wanted to share my experience with UPR Products and their Ecoboost catch can that I had installed this week. I was looking for a system that was high quality, plug & play, and easily returnable to stock. The UPR system does all three. I purchased three items to complete the kit: the catch can system itself (part # 5030-158-1), the inline check-valve (part # 5044-03), and the crankcase breather kit (part # 5013-01). I had done lots of research online, liked their system the best, and unbelievably discovered their shop is in my county. I called them, let them know what I had (2016 xSport) and they said, "why don't you come on down, and we'll build one for you right here on the spot". I did. After hanging with the guys for a bit and chatting Ecoboost, performance, etc, they said, what the hell, we want to add some photos for our online how-to section, and we need to get out of the office. Next thing I know the owner and two of his staff had my hood up and were building hoses and putting the system in. Without the step by step photos for their online how-to, this would have taken 10 minutes. The most stand out thing about their kits is the quality. Continental hoses, OEM fittings (no cutting your stock hose and re-using your OEM fittings), billet anodized check valve, and billet breather kit (see photos). To return to stock, all I have to do is unclip the kit, unbolt the catch can, and re-install my factory dirty side OEM PCV line- 5 minutes and done. I can't speak highly enough about this shop, the guys running it, and the factory look post installation. Check out the photos below. I added these to the forum media gallery, hopefully the short photo descriptions show up on your end as well. Hope ya'll get something out of this and helps you with your decision if you decide to install an OCC yourself. Cheers.
      Here is a link to their website: http://www.uprproducts.com/ford-ecoboost.html
      Here is another link for one of their installation videos (this video is for the F-150, but it gives you an idea of the look and quality of their kits):

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      Owner of UPR products going above and beyond by installing their system on the spot.
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      Factory PCV line, left intact as UPR uses OEM fittings on all of their lines making it completely plug & play.
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      UPR line- note the high quality Continental hose
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      UPR custom check valve
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      UPR catch can assembly
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      Wide open throttle fitting custom fit on to my Livernois intake tube
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      Catch can installed, passenger side firewall using existing bolt location
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      UPR breather kit with built in check valve
       
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      Your thread was merged with this one found with the Forum's handy 'Search' feature.

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      so anyone actually "catching" more than a teaspoon of oil every oil change on the on the econoboost 3.5s?
       
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      Thanks Peter... I decided to get the jlt system.
       

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