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    1. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Torsion Bar Free Elite Explorer

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      Coil overs in the rear don't need anything but the pin bar eliminators. Simple bolt on part that converts the top mount style to tabs for eyelets.
      Leave the front stock with the 9000 or whatever you currently use. No frame mods.
       
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      Glad to hear its finally running right after everything! Track times now?
       
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    4. vroomzoomboom

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      that will happen at the end of September. that way if i do end up blowing it up, i have all winter to fix it lol
       
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      Now that I gave you a chance to catch up :), I'm going to have to do something else!
       
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      Track Times? Now I have something to look forward to!
      Don't blow the freeze plug out this time or make sure you have water instead of coolant.
      You don't want that track guy mad at you again.
       
    7. Dono

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      Lol.
      Tims braver than I am. I'm tired of breaking stuff.
       
    8. vroomzoomboom

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      and you have told me what that is. if you ever do it, im not gonna catch up lol!

      that problem is long gone...but now that i have said that....
      i made a sold stainless steel L shaped strap for it that is a total bitch to get into the hole, but i am now able to crank the block heater in there. if it hasnt blown out with the way i have been driving it for the last year or 2, i would have to say im good!

      fine line between bravery and stupidity. im surprised that when i pulled the crank out everything went smooth. i have now put 20w 50 oil in it. lifters still tick, but not as bad. i think its a characteristic of those rockers.
      i am kinda itching to get to the track however. want to go when its cooler out however. i do think it will go in the 12's now. just dont know if i should run my smaller tires on it, or go with the 20's. smaller tires i will get out of the hole faster, but more then likely it will go into o/d before i cross the finish line, and shorting me 1000 rpms. if i use the 20's, well i have to run my wheel spacers. on the street is one thing, at the track thats another story. even though i have ask, and they said as long as they arent bigger then 1 1/2 they will allow them.
      once again i launched it in 4wd on the road tonight and its screeching them in 4wd. that means to me either i need new tires soon (no, theres lots of tread left) or its making some kind of power now.
       
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    9. 4pointslow

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      Don't let it shift into O/D at wot, it can destroy the transmission.
      I learned about it before anything bad happened to my truck and blocked O/D at WOT in the tune.
      If the weather is warmer you could experiment with both wheels and see how they do.
      Warmer weather means the track is stickier too, so less traction problems.

      That's awesome how you were able to make a better bracket for the block heater, glad you got that problem solved.
      I think Dono solved his problem with loosing coolant through his head gaskets too so it is time for a rematch.
       
    10. vroomzoomboom

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      wait, what? as far as i knew you could only set the speed limiter, and we had mine jacked to as high as it would go (115 mph) or are you talking about the trans tune?
      as for dons truck, it turned out to be 2 small pin holes in the head. i got luck when i clearanced my heads for the headers, he didnt. as for a rematch, i pretty much dragged him to the track the last time, and it ended up costing him a lot of money in broken stuff. not doing that again unless he wants to come lol
       
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      I forget exactly where it is in the tune, way too much going on in my head right now. lol.
      It was a speed limit that had to be reached before going into O/D, so maybe on yours it was that 115 mph setting.
      Not the same as a regular speed limiter that limits how fast the truck can go, just to clarify.

      Did Dono have a blown head gasket that day at the track or was it the holes?
       
    12. vroomzoomboom

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      yea, i should have worded that better. it will force it into o/d at 115 mph weather you want it to go or not.
      head blew out a head gasket, and a rad. cant remember if there was anything else. that was a bad bad day.
       
    13. Dono

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      Tim, ill review your tune on the od thing. its always worth double checking. I do make mistakes, lol
       
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      I know I have issues with mine going into o/d even if I have the o/d off button pushed. At some speed (100mph+) that light turns itself off and it allows it to go into o/d. I haven't had mine go into o/d on the track yet, just street racing and I cringe when it happens (I can count on 1 hand how many times that has happened).

      The only time I was able to get o/d locked out completely was when I was data logging with a 3rd gear pull.
       
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      im trying to remember this. i would start off on a pass, would have the o/d lit on the dash (o/d set to off) i think the light would go off either haft way into second gear, or some point in third under wot.
       
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      CDW6212R Hauls the mail. Elite Explorer

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      I didn't know that the OD was a problem, I thought tuning could handle it.

      I may be able to fix that though, if it's not possible to get the programming to do it. I have two relays in my 95 Crown Vic, that I added to the trans wiring, to lock out both 4th and 3rd. That did what I wanted it too, stopping the signals(3rd/4th) from reaching the trans. I have a switch in an overhead console to control that. I haven't used that in years, but it worked. The 4R70W shift wires see four combinations of power, it's that simple. 1st gear is with no power to either wire, an obvious default first condition. 2nd is OFF/ON, 3rd is ON/OFF, and 4th is ON/ON. That wiring logic is in the ATSG manual somewhere.

      For my mail car back then I didn't want it to constantly shift to 3rd, with me slowing down from say 25mph, 200+ times a day. The one downside is that it throws a code after doing it a few times. The CEL light did go out after not using that switched circuit for a few days.

      I might be able do that for keeping 4th from happening also, if the other three gears are not altered. It'd be just the right combination of relays and one switch. Hopefully you guys can get the programming to lock out 4th somehow.
       
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      made a few calls around today. one was to don lasota, the other was to my trans guy eric merkel at erm automotive. eirc told me physicaly the only way i can block od is physicaly blocking the od valve. which would mean dropping the valve body. not gonna happen. cant do a switch like if i was to do a bwm on the v6 transfer cases because there is one solinoide that controls the 1-2 shift, and one that controls the 3-4. don said the limiter should be around the 125 mark, but he is going to try and look into a way from it shifting into od for me.
      with that said, the end of racing is coming to a end very soon. im planing on going to the strip on saturday. this thing BETTER hit the 12's or i am going to be uber pissed. if we cant find a way from keeping it from going into od, im going to be forced to run the 20's. which will mean my 60 ft is going to suck, my mph might get better, but its a crap shoot if my e.t. will drop.
      this past weekend was also the last big show and shine here, so i spent the sunday there with the kid. there was some pretty nutty stuff there.
      like this twin magnuson supercharged avalanche

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      and also i guy i was playing around with who claims he has a stock 454 in a 80 camaro that i was keeping right beside. however will also say when he puts the nos on, it lifts the tires. i called bullshit to him more then once. especially how his story changed with the gearing. nice try, im not buying it lol
      and lastly, 20 years ago ford created something that has changed life for me. today is evils 20th birthday. happy birthday evil......you little wallet drainer you.
       
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      Nice Tim. I can't wait to see your times!
       
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      same. the weekend cant get here fast enough lol
       
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      well.....the race cancelled due to weather yesterday. that was a test and tune day. i looked this morning and they were gong to run. problem being its not really a test and tune day, but you could sneak in a few runs before they started eliminations. packed up my junk and drove a hour there for them to say, they are trying to dry and glue the track, but at that time the track was too cold. not wanting to wait around for them to decide i turned around and headed back home (to also see one of the race cars that was pitted beside me back in town here).
      i did do a few bonsai runs coming home (the track is in the middle of nowhere, with no cross roads). she will click into od still, but now when it does it, its singing around 6000-6200 rpms going off the stock tac. before if i remember correctly, it would shift into od around 5000 rpms and this is with the same tires that i had on today as well.
      they have one more race in 2 weeks before the track closes for the year. i hope the weather holds for that one. going by the seat of the paints, it feels like it will just hit the 12's/ i dont care if its 12.999 because thats still 12's lol
       
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      Sorry I couldn't return your call, I am up to my ears in problems again.
      I have been trying to finish painting the second and third floor hallways and stairways and now I am having transmission problems in my 2004 Ex.
      I am currently working on it but had to stop for a minute.

      I hope you get to the track and grab that 12 !!!
       
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      well. today was kinda disappointing in a way. went to the local track today. its their last test and tune of the year.
      first problem was the wind. there was a pretty strong head wind which really sucked. everyone said they were down on theirs times.....oh joy.
      i had about three tunes in the hand held, and god knows how many in my laptop. messed around with a few things in the truck, and had dono do some small adjustments.
      my first run it hit the rev limiter hard going from 1st to 2nd. however, i had don lasota make a change in the trans that would keep it from going into od before the end of the track. low and behold, i was running around 5700 rpms at the lights. last year it hit od at around the 1000 ft mark and would short me about 1000 rpms or more (cant remember for sure what it was).
      basically my first, and last runs were the best (only made 4 runs then had to head home, that and there was tons of cars there today)
      the last run might have been the best but this was how it played out. the guy in the other lane they had shut down just as he staged which really distracted me (no kidding, with a .977 reaction time?! BLAH!!!). when i did hit it, i felt evil literally lift up, spin (in 4x4) and move to the side. that sucked. then it hit the rev limiter badly again. this resulted in me having to lift to get it to shift faster (i also found out she will hold the connecting rods inside the block while spinning at 6500 rpms). this all while a nice head wind hitting the windshield. today wasnt my day and i now have to wait until next year to figure out how to get int the 12's. who would have thought running a low 13 at 102 mph was disappointing in a 2nd gen

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      on the left was the fastest 1/4 mile time. on the right is the fastest mph.

      and for comparison, this is last years best of everything time slip

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      i also went and drove evil over the scale at work. she weights in at 4580 with me in it, and about 1/2 tank of gas. i had about 3/4 of a tank at the track today if it makes a big difference
       
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      One thing I will say, at least this time it held all its fluids in.
      This means it is reliable now, and you can focus on getting it faster.

      What wheels did you run?
      Maybe some traction bars would help with the launch? The Calvert racing ones push the wheels down and the body comes up.
      This puts more traction on the rear wheels.

      How much boost?
      What was timing at WOT, 2000 - 6500 rpm?
      What rpm was it shifting at? each gear?
       
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      when im at the track i am using smaller wheels and tires. i am using stock rims, with a 225/60 15 tire. all runs are in 4x4. the reasons why i use them are with the 20's on i have to run spacers. not real keen on the idea of using spacers at the track. plus with the smaller tire size, i get out of the hole faster which makes the motor spin up faster. this time it bit me in the ass. a friend of mine has a set of slicks (27x10.5 15) that i really wanted to use, but when i found out about them i didnt have the time to see if i had a spare set of rims kicking around on one of the parts trucks. that and i wasnt sure if they would fit without rubbing. if they rubbed, game over. trust me, caltracks are on the wish list.
      boost, i hate to say it, but i never did glace at it. i am guessing it was about 7lbs.
      now if i am reading the log correctly on the first and last pass i did, it looks like timing was at 17 at 2000, 19 at 3000, then around 20 at 4000 then around 19 at 5000. im sure when dono sees this post, he will correct me
      now rpms are a different story, and this was my screw up. a few weeks back we were trying to set the shift points at certain rpms as well as the rev limiter. when i did this, i wasnt using the tires i use at the track, but the 20s. things happen way faster using the smaller tire because well, they are smaller. going from first to second, it would bounce off the limiter at 6500, second to third it would shift at 6000 (which is were i wanted it to) then i would be off the throttle going through the traps at 5600 when last year i would be going through at under 5000 in overdrive
       
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      I think those 15's you are using only at the track, are a big problem affecting how the shifts are being tuned. I'd get a set of wheels/tires put together that you can run anywhere, tune for them on the street etc. With say a 29" tire or very close to the diameter of your normal tires(the 20's), then you can fine tune the shifts very well, and have it run similarly when you have the nice wheels/tires on.

      Stock 16's were 30" tall, a 255/70/16. I chose a 255/65/16 for my mail truck, to keep the width but drop it an inch in diameter(better handling).

      I think anything in the 255-275mm range should work well for 4WD traction, but adjust the diameter for the rpm you see at 1280 feet. The stock type wheels are too narrow for a wider tire, and the Mustang wheels of 94-04 are offset a little too much to run without spacers and a very wide(275) tire. Those are about 30mm or so, and it needs to be down closer to 20mm to have clearance for 275mm tires.

      Just my thoughts, I'd come up with a better set of track tires, which are closer to your street tires.
       
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      Tim, I think you need to see what Don Lasota says about bouncing off the rev limiter going from 1st to 2nd

      Last I looked, the shift schedule was set to shift at something like 5600 rpm. I think taking 900 rpm to shift, and still not shifting is very odd. I know it can take a few hundred rpm to complete a shift after its commanded, but sheesh.....900 rpm?
       
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