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      Skip the braces, save that good money for a better shortblock.

      The main girdles have been limited help, and the mains are where the block problem begins. Those upper block braces haven't proven to do anything. Only the sellers and advertisers say that they help.
       
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      HAHA I'm usually at work by 6:30am (Eastern Time) and try to get on here first thing in the morning during the week.
       
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      slightly spirited takeoff. Louder than I thought. Thanks for the video Tim!
      lol
       
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    6. Dono

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      I picked up my new alternator from Tims today. He also made me all kinds of cables to complete the big three wiring upgrade along with a couple of really nice battery post terminals. Tim warned me that the valve cover might interfere, and that I'd need to trim the positive on the alternator for the larger wire. No problemo.

      I get home thru a heavy downpour of rain. Hot and humid, perfect.
      I pull in to the garage, and in true EF passion, I pull in to the garage, change, pop the hood and get started.

      I yard the old alternator out quickly (after disconnecting and removing the battery), but not before burning my arm on the radiator. Not to be held back by a little discomfort, I make a mental not not to do that again. Tim had mentioned that he found his valve cover was in the way as the new alternator is slightly larger, and that I'd need to trim the positive post on the alternator slightly to fit the new, larger positive wire to the alternator. Confirmed. Yup, and yup.

      So, I look over at Mr. Grinder, and look at the space where the alternator will be sitting. Looks like the grinder will fit in there without skipping all over and trashing wiring and vac lines. I'm good to go. Mr. Grinder makes short work of a slight bit of valve cover that hangs over the seal to the head. Beautiful, I took just enough off. Lifes good. Then, I trim the positive lead a bit on the alternator and confirm the new connector fits. Done, and done.

      Remember how I said I wasn't going to be held back by some discomfort in true EF form? Hot, humid? Mosquitoes? I'm getting agitated as I'm now starting the big 3 wire upgrade with the positive off the alternator to the power distribution box. All the while, I seem incapable of killing even one mosquito.

      The original power wire take patience (Which I'm short of) to cut out of other wiring and wire loom without making more issues for myself. I keep reminding myself that this is a hobby, relax and enjoy, as that's why all us EF'ers are here...right?

      I start fighting with the new, thicker positive wire trying to route it nicely. Now I'm really sweating, and this seems to just work the mosquitoes to more of a frenzy. To make matters worse, I still haven't killed even one.

      I finally get the power wire routed nicely, re-install the air intake piping, and belt. I'm thinking EF this, Iv'e had enough. I'm busy cleaning up tools while swatting and scratching with nagging thoughts that I did upgrade the power wire, but have done absolutely nothing to complete a circuit by upgrading a negative. Before putting the battery in, I say to myself 'EF it', and I cut the negative battery terminal wire off with Mr. Grinder (Now with a cut off wheel on it), I'm now committed to the job. I then took a beautiful new battery terminal that Tim picked up for me and installed it along with the upgraded ground to rad support cable that Tim made for me.
      EF this, the mosquitoes are not getting the best of me!
      Tim's the best. If I was making my own cables and had to live a few of the other fitment issues, I truly would have lost it.

      Battery is in, and its now all good. I guess I can say I only completed the big one. Or would that be the big one .2? That negative wire has to account for something, right?

      I'm inside, and starting to feel much better. Tim mentioned that the negative cable from battery to block is easiest with the oil filter off. I'm due for an oil change soon, so I'll do that wire at the same time. The last wire, lower intake to firewall will have to wait till I can pull the upper off, or hopefully with a cold motor I can get to it.

      There it is, I managed to replace my alternator and do the big one. Or is that 1.2?
       
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      That video is awesome! The turbo whines real nice!
      Congrats on the cable/alternator install.
      Those damn mosquito's are vicious aren't they, I spray them with brake clean in between swatting at them.
       
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      Congrats, and be glad you aren't feeding the mosquitoes in Rio.
       
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      lol, your right on the diseased mosquitoes. Your an eternal optimist.

      Initial test on the alternator is that it does have a higher current capability at idle.

      I also have my low voltage switch ready to install. I'll tap a wire off the tps and have the relay turn on the inter cooler pump at anything over about 1.5-2 volts. As long as the pump doesn't turn on at start/idle I'm sure it will help the low rpm current draw at least a bit.

      I have not dug in to why my boost controller isn't controlling boost yet. I'll spend a few minutes trying to figure it out, and failing that I'll just add another spring to the waste gate.
       
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      its too bad the video quality of that video went to the crapper texting it to you, and then going onto youtube. i think that it got louder with the new turbo. after i turned it off i just started laughing. no wounder people raise their eyebrows at you and look twice lol. might have to pull my alt and shave a little off the valve cover. that wont happen today or tomorrow. you made fast work of the wiring, thats for sure. was everything long enough? or did you have to stretch the one wire i was talking about? were those new terminals easy to work with? once again, i am tempted to get a pair of those, they looked really nice
       
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      I completed 2 of the wires. One positive, and one negative. So, no, I haven't done the one you were wondering about.
      The battery terminals were easy to work with (Although I have only done the negative so far). They seem to be quality pieces.
       
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      With watching 4pointslow perform his mods, and my truck running good (Motor's still in, so that has to be a good thing), my thoughts have moved to improving performance.

      I just ordered 2.5" aluminum piping so I can take out that 2" crush exhaust piping I'm using for my intake side from the turbo. I was concerned about volume (I kept the pipe small, so boost would come on faster), but crush bent 2" exhaust pipe just has to be too small (and turbulent). At some point, I'll even see if the 2" non crush bent around the wheel well can be changed to 2 1/2" (If there are no negative results of moving the original crush bent 2" pipe to mandrel bent 2.5".

      Remember, all the piping from the rear of the truck forward actually sees boost, so I'm playing with different rules than you SC guys. I just don't know exactly what those rules are yet.

      As a update on timing, I still can't get much timing in this motor under any kind of boost at all. I'm starting to wonder if the timing pointer is off on my harmonic balancer or the 0 degree notch is off. That would mean the crank sensor 'distributor' is timed a few degree's out. I wonder if I really do have lots of timing advance, but just don't know it. The only way to find out would be to fund true tdc (Piston stop in the spark plug hole) and a degree wheel. Not fun with the motor still in the truck with rad and full front dress.
       
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      There is also oval exhaust pipe you can get. I've seen it for ages in the 2 3/4" size and up, it may be made at 2.5" also. I don't know if it can be had with any bends though.

      For the finishing touches tuning, I think checking the TDC is a very smart idea. If it indicates it's far from expected, the balancer is a decent probability.
       
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      Dono, what's your WOT timing at?
      In tune?
      And with the base 10 added?
      Fuel is 92 octane right?
       
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      Genius!
      Then I could mark my balancer on both sides of when the oil starts/stops moving and split the difference. I'm sure your right that it would be very easy to do.

      What an awesome idea. I'm not sure how I missed this. I was sure I had subscribed to your thread.
       
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      91 octane. Base 10 is not added.
      Wot timing is 10 right now (10 in the timing table, so I think that means 20 total) with 4lbs boost. And that's still triggering the J&S unit.

      I'm hoping that taking care of those crush bends lower inlet air temps more (Although there is no issue with inlet air temps in this cold, lol). Also, I have been reviewing how you mounted your w/m pump in your thread and have not successfully seen how to do it and keep the pump out of the way of the inner wheel well plastic. I think spraying w/m early in boost will help with detonation also.
       
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      How did you set the sensitivity on the J&S unit?
      Did you get your intercooler system working?
      What degree thermostat are you using?
      What are your intake air temps looking like?
      Sorry for all the questions, my curiosity is flaring today.

      With 91 octane I guess that really limits things.
      With 93 I am at 12 + 10 base so 22, but that was with 20lbs of boost and water methanol injection.
      Don't know how exactly that compares....
       
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      How did you set the sensitivity on the J&S unit? I set it by the instructions given (vacuum port off, cruising on the highway at steady speed), and actually turned the sensitivity down a bit from there.

      Did you get your intercooler system working? YES

      What degree thermostat are you using? 192 degrees. Come spring, I'll drop in a 180

      What are your intake air temps looking like? In the heat of summer they were up to about 170 with 8 lbs boost.

      With 91 octane I guess that really limits things. 91 is as good as it gets here. Back to needing that w/m kit working.

      With 93 I am at 12 + 10 base so 22, but that was with 20lbs of boost and water methanol injection.
      Don't know how exactly that compares....
      My motor would hydro-lock and bend/bust shit up again trying what you are doing. lol
       
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      A turbo system is relatively very easy on parts, given the right tuning of course. Hopefully you get the timing and turbo plumbing worked out well. Then it should produce 10psi or more very easily, and start pushing the limits of the drivetrain etc. I know you have been worried about hurting things due to the several issues, but when it's right it'll make big power and torque. That's what I was wanting until I decided I didn't like the confines of the bay to run a turbo or piping. You are very close I think, keep tweaking on the tuning stuff.
       
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      The truck pulls hard, and boost comes on fast. I have the boost controller backed off taking out boost until I sort out the timing/detonation thing. Also, its winter and I have winter tires on. I can lay two black strips as long as I want, until I get nervous at the attention I am getting and let off the gas. lol. It is winter, and a lack of traction can easily get me in trouble. For winter I don't need lots of boost, but the boost there is comes on early and provides lots of torque.
      As you said Don, I'll keep plugging away as time permits. I'd like to get back to 8-10lbs boost for summer with more (Or is that less? lol ) timing than I have now. Then I'm done as I know I'm in block splitting range.
       
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      I was at 21* on e50 and 16* on 93 @12lbs on my 11:1 motor.. if it means anything ..lol
       
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      Yes, and with the tuning right, the block should survive better. I was aiming at a turbo for my Lincoln, but learning how much power I'd be at with the 347 made me rethink that. 2WD is not the best for big power in a twitchy luxury car. I wrecked my first LSC with just heads/intake/exhaust in it, the shift kit was too harsh going into 3rd. I want only one 4WD/AWD truck to get some boost, hopefully keep it in a straight line on the gas.
       
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      Thanks guys, I really don't know why I seem to have to kill so much power with timing. My 4.0 ohv motor was the same. That one didn't have an intercooler, so I understood why. This one, not so much.

      I think I need to use streetrod2000's TDC finder and see if my cam position sensor is aligned properly.
       
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      You said your intake air temps were 170, what about after the intercooler installation?
      Maybe you could try to run the intercooler pump all the time instead of just at WOT, as a test to see what happens?
       
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      I'm not sure yet.
      I think getting the 2" crush pipe out of inlet tubing will help iat's.
      I logged a wot run on friday. 86 degree's (Ambient looks like 48 degree's).
      Boost seemed to be 6lbs. That explains the low temps.

      Fueling seemed to be around 12.4, so I richened things up to 11.6 in higher load area's.
      I'm also still working with the borderline knock table. At peak load, It was setting its self off at .2volts (very little knock). I think this is acceptable as long as I don't have a module failure of some kind (probably my own wiring if anything were to fail, lol). Me, being greedy, am also working with upping spark in areas with no knock to find where the J&S unit lights off, and then back off the timing at that rpm and load.
      I'm hoping that once I have the knock table set for max allowed spark before detonation starts at higher load and rpm levels, I will be able to just highlight the higher areas of rpm/load in the borderline knock table and raise or lower it in one easy swoop when iat's/meth injection change things.

      I did receive a bunch of 2.5" intake piping stuff from frozen boost, but they accidentally shipped 1 foot 2.5" pipes instead of the 2 foot I ordered. Figures, as this weekend was pretty free and the weather was warm(er) so the garage would be ok to work in. Frozenboost was very good about correcting the miss ship, and shipped the 2 foot pipes same day once I sent them a picture confirming the 1 foot pipes. The install just won't happen this weekend, unfortunately.

      I spent more time on 4pointslows thread looking at how he mounted his w/m pump. The pictures are great. I'm going to steal his idea. No, I don't have a box of metal plates laying around, but we do have a discount metal place right by work that will probably have a waste piece that will work great.

      Watching threads like 4pointslows is giving me some motivation to get moving. It just seems like part collection/planning is the biggest part. The intake piping should be easy as long as I dry underneath the truck (heat and a fan) so I don't get endlessly dripped on by snow melting (I hate that).
       

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