Serious Explorations Ford Explorer and Ranger Message Board
#1 Resource for Ford Explorer and Ranger Owners - By Enthusiasts, for Enthusiasts.


Ford Explorer Generation Guide

EF Swag Store 2016 Ford Explorer Forums Elite Membership Chat Room My Posts Reviews Explorer Photo Gallery
Go Back   Ford Explorer and Ranger Forums "Serious Explorations" > Ford Explorer Ranger Repair - Troubleshooting - Modifications & Detailing Forums > 1995 - 2001 Explorer Ranger Mountaineer - Sport thru '03 - 2nd Generation > Stock 1995 - 2001 Explorers

Notices

Stock 1995 - 2001 Explorers Questions related to non-modified 1995-2001 Explorer, Mountaineer, Ranger and '02+ Sports and Sport Trac. Problem solving, maintenance, TSB, service bulletins, owner reviews, specifications.

Theft Light flashing

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-19-2008, 09:16 AM   #1
bluexplorer99
Madisonville, TN
'99 XLT AWD
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
(Original Poster)
Theft Light flashing

I bought a '99 Explorer XLT that was wrecked and had no key. I got a ignition switch from another '99 Explorer and put it in. Then I had a locksmith come out and program the PATS system for the key that came with the ignition switch. He also programmed the keyless remote that came with the key. It stared fine many times after programed until I started doing some work on the Explorer. I unhooked the battery before I began the work. While drilling the spot welds out under the passenger side front door, I knicked a couple of the wires in the harness that goes down the passenger side. Well I taped them up and welded the new rocker panel in. After I was done with that I hooked the battery back up and now the Exploerer will crank but not start. The theft light flashes while trying to crank it. While I have to have the key reprogrammed? I checked everything and can't figure out what is going on. This is my first Explorer and don't know much about the PATS system. Can anyone please help me???? Thanks.
bluexplorer99 is offline   Reply With Quote
( Join the Elite Explorers )

Join the Elite Explorers for only $20 a year. Explorer Forum has probably saved you that much already, and will continue to save you money as you learn how to diagnose and fix problems yourself, and learn which modifications really work without having to experiment on your own. Elite Explorer members can change the forum "styles" to eliminate most ads, including blue underlined links, and no ads on photos. Other benefits include the ability to store 1000 Private Messages, upload photo attachments directly to your posts and to our Photo Gallery and more. Join the Elite Explorers today.


Old 06-19-2008, 02:50 PM   #2
calisoundmix
san jose, ca
'98 XLT SOHC
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 199

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
is the theft light rapidly blinking? if so it sounds like what happened to mine a few months back, had to take it to the stealership and pay around $500 for new parts (receiver antenna, PATS module, GEM module), sucks but had no choice, it's my dd.




__________________
1998 Ford Explorer XLT
V6 SOHC 2WD - 152,000 Miles
JL Audio/Alpine Audiophile System
calisoundmix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 03:14 PM   #3
IZwack
Moderator Emeritus
Germantown, MD
 
IZwack's Avatar
1998 Ford Explorer
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,827

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
The theft light will also flash at a very rapid rate if the battery is VERRY low on juice.




__________________
...how'd the moon get there, how'd the moon get there?
IZwack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 04:25 PM   #4
bluexplorer99
Madisonville, TN
'99 XLT AWD
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
(Original Poster)
The light is flashing like it should if the module is triped so it can't be started.
I called the locksmith that programmed the key for me and I told him what happened. He said that it might have sent a surge to the RAP and that i could try putting a strong (fully Charged) battery on it and leaving the key in the ignition for about 30 minutes. He said that sometimes it will start to work. I am going to try that this evening when I get home.

Calisoundmix...did you your remote and keypad still work when you had your problems?
bluexplorer99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 06:17 PM   #5
calisoundmix
san jose, ca
'98 XLT SOHC
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 199

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
yes, my remote and keypad still opened it no problem, it was only when i tried cranking it that it wouldn't start. tried everything, checked for a spark being sent, fuel pump. when i finally had AAA tow it to the dealer i had to wait 30 minutes as the driver tried to jump start it, to no avail.

sucks that this is happening to you too, i tripped mine while doing electrical work on my car.




__________________
1998 Ford Explorer XLT
V6 SOHC 2WD - 152,000 Miles
JL Audio/Alpine Audiophile System
calisoundmix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 07:39 PM   #6
CDW6212R
Elite Explorer
Knoxville, TN
 
CDW6212R's Avatar
98 Mountaineer A4WD
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 13,558

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
That is odd, losing power shouldn't cause trouble. If the theft light flashes when the ignition is turned on, the engine will not and cannot start. The flashing means that the PATS module has disabled the ignition, plus fuel pump.

If the theft light flashes when the ignition is turned on, don't go to the start position, it is a waste of time. Simply turn the ignition off and/or try it again. I had an intermittent problem long ago, but it hasn't happened in two years. I would ask a Ford tech, but do not pay "...$500 for new parts (receiver antenna, PATS module, GEM module)..." It definitely does not need all of that.




__________________
Don
91 Lincoln LSC/SE/GTC, 99/93 Explorer Limited 4WD, 98 AWD Mounty with 255/55/18's, big sway bars, and 12.75" x 1.25" rotors. Soon a BW4406, built trans, stereo and interior.
The best thing that could help us all, is the Fair Tax Plan.
Be American, Buy American (Manufacturer)
CDW6212R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 09:54 PM   #7
calisoundmix
san jose, ca
'98 XLT SOHC
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 199

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
believe me i wish it did not need all that, but i tried everything i could think of, disconnected battery overnight, cycled ignition over 256 times, switched to a new battery (also disconnected overnight).

if it is intermittent, be happy and enjoy, but for a car that is my dd i couldn't afford to wait a few days and simply hope that it would resolve itself. yes the dealership was a shady POS but even at 150k + miles, i love my ex and will be running it into the ground (albeit no time soon)




__________________
1998 Ford Explorer XLT
V6 SOHC 2WD - 152,000 Miles
JL Audio/Alpine Audiophile System
calisoundmix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2008, 10:21 AM   #8
bluexplorer99
Madisonville, TN
'99 XLT AWD
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
(Original Poster)
well I put the new battery off of my pickup and done what the locksmith told me to do and now it starts everytime. But I am going to get all the parts off of the other '99 explorer that i got the ignition off of and keep for spare parts. What all do i need to take? I got the computer and the ignition module(little black box that goes around the ignition switch). I know I will need to get the RAP box (white box) out of the back driver quarter. Is there anything else I need to get? What about the relay box that is next to the RAP box? I mean these parts are not costing me anything so I am going to get anything I can that i might need later. LOL. Thanks.
bluexplorer99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2008, 05:31 PM   #9
CDW6212R
Elite Explorer
Knoxville, TN
 
CDW6212R's Avatar
98 Mountaineer A4WD
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 13,558

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Yes get anything that you can. The ignition key code sensor is likely what was my problem. I had the issue the most when I was delivering mail with the truck, that was no fun. I rarely shut it off, I swapped the fuel pump early on before learning of the theft light flashing.

The PCM and PATS module are the components programmed to the keys. Any change of those requires new programming by the special diagnostic tool. Be careful with the parts at the ignition, that's likely the most sensitive part of the PATS system. Regards,




__________________
Don
91 Lincoln LSC/SE/GTC, 99/93 Explorer Limited 4WD, 98 AWD Mounty with 255/55/18's, big sway bars, and 12.75" x 1.25" rotors. Soon a BW4406, built trans, stereo and interior.
The best thing that could help us all, is the Fair Tax Plan.
Be American, Buy American (Manufacturer)
CDW6212R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2008, 01:27 AM   #10
TheJackal
Mandeville, LA
1999 Explorer XL 2WD
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,063

Vehicle Specs

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The PATS system comprises the Anti-Theft Transceiver Module, the PATS module itself, the PCM, and the two PATS keys that came with the car.

The transceiver is located in the steering column. The PATS module appears to be (according to AllData) located somewhere behind the passenger airbag, on the right side.

The PCM is mounted to the firewall. You'll see a big wire harness going into the top of the firewall, removal is straightforward.
TheJackal is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Suggest this thread to friends:



Join the "Elite Explorers" Today!



Search Explorer Forum


Top of Page

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03 PM.



US Flag
We Support Our Troops!

Explore the site!


Copyright 2014 - 1996 Rick Horwitz Photography



Ford Motor Company is not involved in the management of this site in any way.



All tips on this site are for use at your own risk and discretion.

Modifying the suspension on any vehicle will cause changes to its handling characteristics.



Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.