Countering Tire roll

[Explorer Power]

I Have ' 99 2nd gen explorer, i have the stock wheels and tires under it and no lift. It handles and corners very well.
I was thinking about doing a 4" body lift with some other rims (probably Dick Cepec DC-1 's or something) and 33x12,5 tires.
I was told that putting on the body lift probably won't affect the handeling and cornering, but that i will get a lot of tire roll (body roll) from the taller tires and small rims. My question is can this be countered in some way?
I drive very fast through corners and stuff so i don't want to end up I know that putting on big diameter rims and low tires counters tire roll but that doesnt look very good on a lifted explorer
Thanks

[XLT]

Well the rule of thumb is for every inch you go up you should go that much wider. So look at getting some offset rims to give you a wider stance. You get more body roll becuase you center of gravity has just been jacked up that much higher so the lift does effect things. Lastly if you are going to lift a truck you cant be driving it like a mustang or like you stole it. Slow down a little and you will be fine.

[Explorer Power]

So body lift 3" + bigger tires 1,5" is 4,5" = 114 mm
stock wheels are 0 offset, dick cepec dc-1's are offset = -47 mm
so that would be 94 mm wider.
is this correct?
The increased body roll can be countred by sway bars?
So this still leaves tire roll problem, anyone any solutions for this?
Thanks

[storlied]

You'll be fine, just slow down a little bit. If you have your sway bars you'll be fine. (A thicker one from EE would help) [I assume this is a street vehicle only?] It's really just common sense, drive it like a lifted SUV. [I say SUV because they already have a higher COG, lifting one will just make it higher... simply take that into account when driving.]

[Explorer Power]

I think body roll wont be such a big problem with a good sway bar, it doesn't tend to tip over or something in the corners. When you go too fast the tires simply lose traction and you slide out of the corner (had this once on a country road, manged to save it just in time :P). then i was thinking about 33x12.5 so i have wider tires too, more rubber on the road should counter this i think..

The guy told me that when i have taller tires (33x12.5) on smaller rims (15 or 16") that the handeling would be much worse then it is now (30" tires on 16" rims). He said that when you turn the steering wheel the truck would respond much later.. And if i drive through a pothole or drive over an obstacle, it would move from left to right..


...........rest of truck |
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........Road


There, my monster drawing skills :P:

[97sprt4x4]

Tire roll has to do with the tires side wall. There are very few things that cam be done to stop it. Drifters will get ten inch wide rims and put tires meant for 8 inch rims on then thus stressing the side wall pre emptively. A good rule of thumb is that if your tires have more side wall they're going to roll more. Solutions for you going to 33s would be a larger diameter rim or to get E load rAnge tires. But like storlied and others have said. It's a truck not a mustAng if you abuse it without the correct mode for the purpose.. It won't end well

Justin

[Explorer Power]

Yeah so there's not much to do about it then get E load range tires..
But will it be a big difference between 16" rim and 30" tire and 16" (or maybe 17") rim and 33" tire?

[97sprt4x4]

Like i said, those are about the only things you can do, and they're not gonna do much... really you just need to slow down... believe me you'll get it fast, your truck will handle extremely different... i've had some hairy calls with my 31s. but now i don't speed unless it's on the highway, and i take it slow on the back roads because i can't afford to wreck.

Going to 17s will be better then 16s and going to an "E" load range tire will be better then a "C" or "D", will it stop it, No. but it will be better... but it won't mean you can drive it like a car. it's still a truck, and always will be.

[Explorer Power]

Well most of the time i drive it faster then a car now haha.
But ok i get it, thanks for your help.

[storlied]

Look, either way with a bigger tire... wether it's more tire than rim, or more rim than tire... you're stressing either the sidewalls, the rim, and even the bearings/axles depending on what we're talking about [front/rear] The stress is going to be there no matter what you do. The way I look at it, I believe more tire than rim would be better than more rim, I think you'd probably get better traction because the tire can move a little bit for the terrain and forces in a turn.. where as a bigger rim with a thinner tire.. the truck is gonna pull the wheel around a bit more than the tire grabbing the road and letting the weight move a little bit. I could be wrong, but I believe I'm onto something because I had two buddies with identical trucks, just different wheel/tire setups and it seemed like the one with the huge rims had worse traction and overall feel of the imperfections on the road. Let the tires take some of the shock and movement, they're made to. This isn't a low cog street vehicle, bigger rims aren't the best choice for a lifted truck, unless you have the tire to account for it. Low pro tires are not the way to go with your desired setup.

[dothedeww]

Just a question...

I have an 06 X with the 16" rims and Im looking at new tires. I currently have wrangler RT/s's on there now..load range E...I was looking at Definity Dakota AT's for winter tires...They only have a load range of C...is that okay for my X? Nothing major gonna happen as long as I treat it like a truck and not a mustang?

[97sprt4x4]

i'm highly doubting that unless you're towing some really heavy stuff that you'll even need a load rated tire. all explorers from the factor came with P rated tires, so the fact that you have E's on there now is SUPER overkill. you could in theory get a p235/70R16 and be fine. so yes a tire with a load range of C is perfectly safe for your explorer.