'02 Trac is toast, what should I do with it?

shiphorns · 07-09-2011, 03:27 PM

My 2002 Sport Trac with 130k on it started misbehaving yesterday, stalling, engine stuttering and jerking so hard the truck shakes, light grey smoke out the tailpipe, oil coming out places it shouldn't (lots of oil out the breather hose into the air intake) and throwing codes for running lean and multiple cylinders misfiring. My mechanic thinks it needs a new engine, the parts and labor for which are more than I want to put into a 130k vehicle ($1800 minimum for used engine, at least as much in labor).

So, I'm wondering what I should do. Is it worth bringing someplace that will service the engine rather than just try to replace it, or should I junk it/part it out? I don't know exactly what's wrong, but I'm thinking possibly a piston ring failure?

**ncranchero** · 07-09-2011, 06:25 PM

Hate to hear that about your trac. BTW, I love your horn videos ! ! ! So, your mechanic "thinks" it needs a new engine? Has it been determined exactly what is wrong with it? Keep in mind that you can install a used long block from a 4.0L Mustang, just use your accessories. They should be easier to find & cheaper. Check THIS THREAD out. If you were closer I'd send you home with a parts truck with a good drive train for less than the price you quoted. I'd consider the Mustang swap if it is serious engine damage.

Check out your PCV system ........

*MidnightRebel07* · 07-09-2011, 06:51 PM

You could always donate it to me, lol. Check out what Steve mentioned. Whatever you do don't scrap it, their getting header to find parts for.

shiphorns · 07-09-2011, 07:17 PM

I think at the very least I'm going to get a second opinion on it's "totaled" status. In the short term, I'll probably get it towed back to my driveway. I don't have a garage or the facilities or tools necessary to swap the engine myself (nor the time, I'm working 50+ hours a week). But I could redo the PCV, replace all the known-troublesome sensors and such.

What I'm concerned about mostly is all the oil that's coming out of the crankcase breather tube into the air intake. The air filter is full of oil. Is that a definite sign of something very bad internal to the engine? Well, that and the misfire codes. In the past, when the IAC and DPFE have crapped out, I got P0171 and P0174, but never the misfiring cylinder codes.

*2000StreetRod* · 07-09-2011, 07:25 PM

Ask the mechanic what the results were of the compression check he performed. I would think most reputable mechanics would be able to tell you why the engine needs replacement with some tests to back it up. A compression test would provide useful information.

cjmedina · 07-09-2011, 07:43 PM

It sounds like the engine has jumped timing perhaps by one tooth. It may have bent valves.

As StreetRod said. Find out what were the test results by the mechanic, specially a compression test.

You could get a replacement engine from the junk yard and many do installations with warranty....less then $1000

Cliff

shiphorns · 07-10-2011, 11:50 AM

I'll have the full results tomorrow. I'll ask about the compression test, timing belt and PCV. I'm not going to give the OK on an engine swap based on "maybe there's something wrong in the engine".

I put a lot of work into the front end of this vehicle already this spring, so it may end up sitting in my driveway until I can afford a rebuilt engine for it, or I may sell it for parts and just put the money down on a new one. It depends on how bad the final verdict is. The truck has about $2000 worth of other wear and tear issues (coming due for a new wheel bearing, brake job, etc) so it very well might be time to junk it and move on...

07-09-2011, 03:27 PM	#1
shiphorns Wannabe Elite Explorer Boston, MA 2002 Sport Trac 4x4 XLT Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	'02 Trac is toast, what should I do with it? My 2002 Sport Trac with 130k on it started misbehaving yesterday, stalling, engine stuttering and jerking so hard the truck shakes, light grey smoke out the tailpipe, oil coming out places it shouldn't (lots of oil out the breather hose into the air intake) and throwing codes for running lean and multiple cylinders misfiring. My mechanic thinks it needs a new engine, the parts and labor for which are more than I want to put into a 130k vehicle ($1800 minimum for used engine, at least as much in labor). So, I'm wondering what I should do. Is it worth bringing someplace that will service the engine rather than just try to replace it, or should I junk it/part it out? I don't know exactly what's wrong, but I'm thinking possibly a piston ring failure?

07-09-2011, 06:25 PM	#2
ncranchero Sport Trac Moderator Denver,NC Truckin' on Pat & Charlie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,564 Vehicle Specs	Hate to hear that about your trac. BTW, I love your horn videos ! ! ! So, your mechanic "thinks" it needs a new engine? Has it been determined exactly what is wrong with it? Keep in mind that you can install a used long block from a 4.0L Mustang, just use your accessories. They should be easier to find & cheaper. Check THIS THREAD out. If you were closer I'd send you home with a parts truck with a good drive train for less than the price you quoted. I'd consider the Mustang swap if it is serious engine damage. Check out your PCV system ........ __________________ Steve, 2010 Transit CONNECT 145K miles, 2002 Sport Trac 4x4 SOLD 2000 Taurus SES 3.0L 24 Valve DOHC Duratec 87K miles 1994 F150 4x4 4.9L/5-speed 160K miles, 1995 Ranger 2.3L/5-sp/3.73 75K miles "Plain Jane" How to post photos

07-09-2011, 06:51 PM	#3
MidnightRebel07 Elite Explorer Pittsburgh, Pa. 2003 Explorer Sport Trac Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,860 Vehicle Specs	You could always donate it to me, lol. Check out what Steve mentioned. Whatever you do don't scrap it, their getting header to find parts for. __________________ "If you're gonna be a bear, Be A Grizzly" 1.75" TT, WP shackles, 3" BL, 33x12.5x15 DuraTrac's, 15x8 Cragar's, RT Y-pipe, RT High Flow Cat, MagnaFlow 2.5" in/ dual 2.5" out, 2.5" dual pipes, LiveWires, K&N air filter, Uniden C.B., Pioneer H.U., MTX sub, Gen2 Ex dash bezel swap, Amber l.e.d. clearence lights, Custom Built Swing Out Tire Carrier and bumper (my build),custom Winch bumper w/ 12k lb. winch, A.R.E. Cap

07-09-2011, 07:25 PM	#5
2000StreetRod Elite Explorer Greenville, SC 2000 Sport SOHC 2WD Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5,663 Vehicle Specs	compression test results? Ask the mechanic what the results were of the compression check he performed. I would think most reputable mechanics would be able to tell you why the engine needs replacement with some tests to back it up. A compression test would provide useful information. __________________ My Helpful Threads, Registry, 16.4/23 mpg, 3900 lbs, 5R55E, 3.73:1, 175 rwhp, Henson custom tune, CAI, Spectre air filter, Lightning 90mm MAF, 75mm throttle body, A/F ratio meter, synthetic oils, Accusump, 2 row radiator, 3+1 leaf springs, .75 inch drop, Edelbrock IAS lowering shocks, engine oil & ATF temp gauge & remote filters & coolers, remote crank

07-09-2011, 07:43 PM	#6
cjmedina Wannabe Elite Explorer Central New Jersey 3 Explorers 01,99,99 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 407 Vehicle Specs	Jumped timing It sounds like the engine has jumped timing perhaps by one tooth. It may have bent valves. As StreetRod said. Find out what were the test results by the mechanic, specially a compression test. You could get a replacement engine from the junk yard and many do installations with warranty....less then $1000 Cliff

07-09-2011, 07:17 PM	#4
shiphorns Wannabe Elite Explorer Boston, MA 2002 Sport Trac 4x4 XLT Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I think at the very least I'm going to get a second opinion on it's "totaled" status. In the short term, I'll probably get it towed back to my driveway. I don't have a garage or the facilities or tools necessary to swap the engine myself (nor the time, I'm working 50+ hours a week). But I could redo the PCV, replace all the known-troublesome sensors and such. What I'm concerned about mostly is all the oil that's coming out of the crankcase breather tube into the air intake. The air filter is full of oil. Is that a definite sign of something very bad internal to the engine? Well, that and the misfire codes. In the past, when the IAC and DPFE have crapped out, I got P0171 and P0174, but never the misfiring cylinder codes.

07-10-2011, 11:50 AM	#7
shiphorns Wannabe Elite Explorer Boston, MA 2002 Sport Trac 4x4 XLT Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I'll have the full results tomorrow. I'll ask about the compression test, timing belt and PCV. I'm not going to give the OK on an engine swap based on "maybe there's something wrong in the engine". I put a lot of work into the front end of this vehicle already this spring, so it may end up sitting in my driveway until I can afford a rebuilt engine for it, or I may sell it for parts and just put the money down on a new one. It depends on how bad the final verdict is. The truck has about $2000 worth of other wear and tear issues (coming due for a new wheel bearing, brake job, etc) so it very well might be time to junk it and move on...