oil consumption

*Tarpman* · 05-08-2012, 08:46 AM

I'm trying to figure out if I'm having a problem with my new engine. I have about 30,000 miles on my new engine. From day 1 I noticed it seem like It was using oil little by little I took it to the dealer they checked it out they did oil consumption test for about 6 weeks and they said it was fine a rep from ford said its normal for you to have to add about a quart of oil every 1000 miles. On my old engine that I had 276,000 miles on I never had to add oil in between oil changes and I went way too long between oil changes most of the time I just had to add a quart of oil this morning and I'm about 3 or 4000 miles overdo for an oil change should I worry about this? It has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty the warranty started in august of 2011 and in 3 years I'll put over 100,000 miles on it. Also there's no leaks and it's not smoking like it's using oil. Need some advice. sorry for the long post

jrford · 05-08-2012, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarpman

normal for you to have to add about a quart of oil every 1000 miles.

It has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty the warranty started in august of 2011

I'd understand if it was a break in period, but no, normally it shouldn't lose any oil. Out of the factory either no. I've had maybe 2 engines rebuild and never have they lost oil afterwards. In fact one, a 2.8L straight six lost a quart every 1000miles but it had a cracked piston, after a rebuild no lose.

Since it seems like a warranty is very good. I'd might give it a few . . .

Exproblems · 05-08-2012, 04:13 PM

[QUOTE=Tarpman;2962814] ford said its normal for you to have to add about a quart of oil every 1000 miles.>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm no engine specialist by any means, but that sounds like a crock of Ford BS if you ask me. Normal to have to add 1 quart of new oil on a perfectly fine, newer motor every 1,000 miles? That is nuts! The only used engines I ever had to add an extra quart of oil to between normal oil changes in 35 years of driving, either had an oil leak some where on them or had a bad piston ring and burned oil.

>>>>>>>>>>>>I just had to add a quart of oil this morning and I'm about 3 or 4000 miles overdo for an oil change should I worry about this?>>>>>>>>>

I would worry about it if I were you because it is not normal to lose that much oil in that short of time/miles. Maybe take it to another shop and have them go thru the engine and do diagnostics and get a written receipt with their findings on it in case they find something wrong. Make sure the shop is a registered repair shop with your state. FYI, I wouldn't go 3-4,000 mile over due for your oil changes, especially with that Ford warranty on that engine. I'm sure some where in the fine print on that warranty it states the warranty is only good as long as you follow proper engine maintenance and that means regular, interval oil changes as required by Ford. Ford will make you show proof of oil change receipts with the mileage written on them when you had them done by an oil change shop or parts store receipts for oil change supplies with the date on them and you did the oil change yourself. What ever you do, do not tell them you went 4,000 miles over your last due oil change. They'll use that information against you to screw you out of that warranty and blame you for any engine damage that is causing that oil loss.

>>>>>>>>>>It has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty the warranty started in august of 2011 and in 3 years I'll put over 100,000 miles on it.>>>>>>>>

According to what Ford said to you and the mileage you expect to put on it, you better go out and pick up an extra 100 quarts of oil, sounds like you will need it. I would think you are going to have to use that warranty soon. Good luck with that engine and dealing with Ford.

*Tarpman* · 05-08-2012, 05:12 PM

I knew it was bs, don't know why I even asked. The dealer said they need proof it was leaking by adding the dye, we'll I knew it wasn't leaking. So they needed proof it was using it. It's going somewhere. Talked to another dealer he said they would do the oil consumption test and then contact a ford engineer. He asked if the other dealer contacted ford and I told him no, he didn't understand why they didn't and just left me hanging

Exproblems · 05-09-2012, 06:59 AM

[QUOTE=Tarpman;2963060]The dealer said they need proof it was leaking by adding the dye, we'll I knew it wasn't leaking.>>>>>>>>>>>

Exactly! External engine oil leaks always show themself either with oil spots on the side of the engine some where or on the ground underneath the truck where you park it each day.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Talked to another dealer he said they would do the oil consumption test and then contact a ford engineer. He asked if the other dealer contacted ford and I told him no, he didn't understand why they didn't and just left me hanging>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Is the first Ford dealership you took it to to check for the oil loss problem, the same place that installed that new engine? If yes, that might be why they didn't call a Ford engineer, because they know there is something wrong with the engine they installed and your oil loss problem could be related to the engine installation they did, and they didn't want to look like fools in the eyes of Ford headquarters. Was the new engine you got a rebuilt engine or a new, never used out of the crate motor right from Ford?

*Tarpman* · 05-09-2012, 09:04 AM

Yes the dealer I had taken it to is the dealership that installed the new engine as far as rebuilt or crate motor I think it was a crate motor they had ordered it from ford. Either way it was built by ford when the mechanic told me about having to add oil every 1000 miles or so I knew it was a bunch of bs I figured in that I would just go to another dealership and see what they could do for me I knew I would be okay because I have a 3 unlimited warranty I know the warranty doesn't make it okay I'm just tired of fighting with stores lately it seems like everytime you buy something now a days you don't get what you pay for I went to that dealership because my friend is the parts manager and he gave me a good deal on the engine he always takes good care of me on the parts and prices for those parts but now I have I'm going to have to get a new tranny sometime this year and he's going to give me a good deal on the tranny as far as price but I'm worried about having the work done there

Exproblems · 05-09-2012, 06:27 PM

[QUOTE=Tarpman;2963469]I'm just tired of fighting with stores lately it seems like everytime you buy something now a days you don't get what you pay for>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I hear you! Too many businesses these days chasing the quick buck and good service and quality are a thing of the past.

>>>>>>>>>> I went to that dealership because my friend is the parts manager and he gave me a good deal on the engine he always takes good care of me on the parts and prices for those parts but now I have I'm going to have to get a new tranny sometime this year and he's going to give me a good deal on the tranny as far as price but I'm worried about having the work done there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I also have a not-so close friend who has worked in the parts dept of a local Ford dealership near me for 30+ years. He has gotten greatly discounted parts for me in the past, but I don't like to call him up for a favor unless it is a big ticket item I need for my vehicle. To return the favors he had done for me on parts, I would hook him up with a few thousand rounds of ammo from time to time for his handguns. He owns several handguns and likes to go target shooting. He did save me a few hundred dollars once when I was at another Ford dealer getting my 1st gen Explorer worked on. I mentioned his name to the service manager at the other Ford dealership I was at, and he called over to this friend of mine to verify I knew him and a $500+ repair was suddenly dropped to a $200+ repair. It's amazing how much dealerships mark up the price for parts. Good luck with that tranny issue, very common problem on these Explorers. Mine was rebuilt last year with just 82k on the vehicle.

imp · 05-10-2012, 10:27 PM

FWIW: I have owned and driven extensively, 3 Explorers, all V-6, first 2 OHV ('96, '99), 3rd SOHC, '04.

I believe all 3 had original, unopened engines. None used over a qt. of oil in 3-4000 miles, my change interval. The current SOHC has gone 7000 miles, my fault, yes, and then was down 1 qt.

I am suitably impressed by these engines. The '95 had 200K, the '99 160K, the '04 current drive, has 123K.

I do not use synthetic, but last 2 changes in the '04 have used Motorcraft Synthetic Blend, whatever the hell that really means. imp

*Tarpman* · 05-12-2012, 01:00 AM

Well I have an update on my problem. I called ford a couple of days ago and they must have called the dealer because the service advisor I always deal with called me today and asked if I was still having a problem with my engine. He said he talked to my friend in the parts dept and he's ordering a new engine for me and he'd call me next week and let me know when it'll be here. I told him that great as long as I'm not out of pocket for anything and I have a car to get to work, he said he'd take care of a rental to.

Exproblems · 05-12-2012, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarpman

He said he talked to my friend in the parts dept and he's ordering a new engine for me and he'd call me next week and let me know when it'll be here. I told him that great as long as I'm not out of pocket for anything and I have a car to get to work, he said he'd take care of a rental to.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Good to hear this dealership is doing the right thing. Good luck with the new engine.

*Tarpman* · 05-30-2012, 09:32 AM

Update: pictures picking up my truck this morning. Dealer says ford wants to know how fast its using oil. Already did oil consumption test. Fact is its using it. Dealer wanted to drive it for about a week to put 500 miles on it, send it home with a mechcanic or something. I told him NO! Getting screwed again. Looks like I'll be calling ford

05-08-2012, 08:46 AM	#1
Tarpman Elite Explorer Escalon, CA. 03 Explorer XLT 4.0 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 103 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I'm trying to figure out if I'm having a problem with my new engine. I have about 30,000 miles on my new engine. From day 1 I noticed it seem like It was using oil little by little I took it to the dealer they checked it out they did oil consumption test for about 6 weeks and they said it was fine a rep from ford said its normal for you to have to add about a quart of oil every 1000 miles. On my old engine that I had 276,000 miles on I never had to add oil in between oil changes and I went way too long between oil changes most of the time I just had to add a quart of oil this morning and I'm about 3 or 4000 miles overdo for an oil change should I worry about this? It has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty the warranty started in august of 2011 and in 3 years I'll put over 100,000 miles on it. Also there's no leaks and it's not smoking like it's using oil. Need some advice. sorry for the long post Last edited by Tarpman; 05-08-2012 at 08:59 AM.

05-08-2012, 04:13 PM	#3
Exproblems Wannabe Elite Explorer Orchard Park, N.Y. '05 Explorer XLT 4.0L Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,140 Vehicle Specs	[QUOTE=Tarpman;2962814] ford said its normal for you to have to add about a quart of oil every 1000 miles.>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm no engine specialist by any means, but that sounds like a crock of Ford BS if you ask me. Normal to have to add 1 quart of new oil on a perfectly fine, newer motor every 1,000 miles? That is nuts! The only used engines I ever had to add an extra quart of oil to between normal oil changes in 35 years of driving, either had an oil leak some where on them or had a bad piston ring and burned oil. >>>>>>>>>>>>I just had to add a quart of oil this morning and I'm about 3 or 4000 miles overdo for an oil change should I worry about this?>>>>>>>>> I would worry about it if I were you because it is not normal to lose that much oil in that short of time/miles. Maybe take it to another shop and have them go thru the engine and do diagnostics and get a written receipt with their findings on it in case they find something wrong. Make sure the shop is a registered repair shop with your state. FYI, I wouldn't go 3-4,000 mile over due for your oil changes, especially with that Ford warranty on that engine. I'm sure some where in the fine print on that warranty it states the warranty is only good as long as you follow proper engine maintenance and that means regular, interval oil changes as required by Ford. Ford will make you show proof of oil change receipts with the mileage written on them when you had them done by an oil change shop or parts store receipts for oil change supplies with the date on them and you did the oil change yourself. What ever you do, do not tell them you went 4,000 miles over your last due oil change. They'll use that information against you to screw you out of that warranty and blame you for any engine damage that is causing that oil loss. >>>>>>>>>>It has a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty the warranty started in august of 2011 and in 3 years I'll put over 100,000 miles on it.>>>>>>>> According to what Ford said to you and the mileage you expect to put on it, you better go out and pick up an extra 100 quarts of oil, sounds like you will need it. I would think you are going to have to use that warranty soon. Good luck with that engine and dealing with Ford. Last edited by Exproblems; 05-08-2012 at 04:24 PM.

05-10-2012, 10:27 PM	#8
imp Wannabe Elite Explorer Missouri Ozarks 2004 XLT Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,184 Vehicle Specs	My Oil Consumption FWIW: I have owned and driven extensively, 3 Explorers, all V-6, first 2 OHV ('96, '99), 3rd SOHC, '04. I believe all 3 had original, unopened engines. None used over a qt. of oil in 3-4000 miles, my change interval. The current SOHC has gone 7000 miles, my fault, yes, and then was down 1 qt. I am suitably impressed by these engines. The '95 had 200K, the '99 160K, the '04 current drive, has 123K. I do not use synthetic, but last 2 changes in the '04 have used Motorcraft Synthetic Blend, whatever the hell that really means. imp

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05-08-2012, 05:12 PM	#4
Tarpman Elite Explorer Escalon, CA. 03 Explorer XLT 4.0 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 103 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I knew it was bs, don't know why I even asked. The dealer said they need proof it was leaking by adding the dye, we'll I knew it wasn't leaking. So they needed proof it was using it. It's going somewhere. Talked to another dealer he said they would do the oil consumption test and then contact a ford engineer. He asked if the other dealer contacted ford and I told him no, he didn't understand why they didn't and just left me hanging

05-09-2012, 06:59 AM	#5
Exproblems Wannabe Elite Explorer Orchard Park, N.Y. '05 Explorer XLT 4.0L Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,140 Vehicle Specs	[QUOTE=Tarpman;2963060]The dealer said they need proof it was leaking by adding the dye, we'll I knew it wasn't leaking.>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly! External engine oil leaks always show themself either with oil spots on the side of the engine some where or on the ground underneath the truck where you park it each day. >>>>>>>>>>>> Talked to another dealer he said they would do the oil consumption test and then contact a ford engineer. He asked if the other dealer contacted ford and I told him no, he didn't understand why they didn't and just left me hanging>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the first Ford dealership you took it to to check for the oil loss problem, the same place that installed that new engine? If yes, that might be why they didn't call a Ford engineer, because they know there is something wrong with the engine they installed and your oil loss problem could be related to the engine installation they did, and they didn't want to look like fools in the eyes of Ford headquarters. Was the new engine you got a rebuilt engine or a new, never used out of the crate motor right from Ford?

05-09-2012, 09:04 AM	#6
Tarpman Elite Explorer Escalon, CA. 03 Explorer XLT 4.0 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 103 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Yes the dealer I had taken it to is the dealership that installed the new engine as far as rebuilt or crate motor I think it was a crate motor they had ordered it from ford. Either way it was built by ford when the mechanic told me about having to add oil every 1000 miles or so I knew it was a bunch of bs I figured in that I would just go to another dealership and see what they could do for me I knew I would be okay because I have a 3 unlimited warranty I know the warranty doesn't make it okay I'm just tired of fighting with stores lately it seems like everytime you buy something now a days you don't get what you pay for I went to that dealership because my friend is the parts manager and he gave me a good deal on the engine he always takes good care of me on the parts and prices for those parts but now I have I'm going to have to get a new tranny sometime this year and he's going to give me a good deal on the tranny as far as price but I'm worried about having the work done there

05-09-2012, 06:27 PM	#7
Exproblems Wannabe Elite Explorer Orchard Park, N.Y. '05 Explorer XLT 4.0L Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,140 Vehicle Specs	[QUOTE=Tarpman;2963469]I'm just tired of fighting with stores lately it seems like everytime you buy something now a days you don't get what you pay for>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear you! Too many businesses these days chasing the quick buck and good service and quality are a thing of the past. >>>>>>>>>> I went to that dealership because my friend is the parts manager and he gave me a good deal on the engine he always takes good care of me on the parts and prices for those parts but now I have I'm going to have to get a new tranny sometime this year and he's going to give me a good deal on the tranny as far as price but I'm worried about having the work done there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a not-so close friend who has worked in the parts dept of a local Ford dealership near me for 30+ years. He has gotten greatly discounted parts for me in the past, but I don't like to call him up for a favor unless it is a big ticket item I need for my vehicle. To return the favors he had done for me on parts, I would hook him up with a few thousand rounds of ammo from time to time for his handguns. He owns several handguns and likes to go target shooting. He did save me a few hundred dollars once when I was at another Ford dealer getting my 1st gen Explorer worked on. I mentioned his name to the service manager at the other Ford dealership I was at, and he called over to this friend of mine to verify I knew him and a $500+ repair was suddenly dropped to a $200+ repair. It's amazing how much dealerships mark up the price for parts. Good luck with that tranny issue, very common problem on these Explorers. Mine was rebuilt last year with just 82k on the vehicle.

05-12-2012, 01:00 AM	#9
Tarpman Elite Explorer Escalon, CA. 03 Explorer XLT 4.0 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 103 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Well I have an update on my problem. I called ford a couple of days ago and they must have called the dealer because the service advisor I always deal with called me today and asked if I was still having a problem with my engine. He said he talked to my friend in the parts dept and he's ordering a new engine for me and he'd call me next week and let me know when it'll be here. I told him that great as long as I'm not out of pocket for anything and I have a car to get to work, he said he'd take care of a rental to.

05-30-2012, 09:32 AM	#11
Tarpman Elite Explorer Escalon, CA. 03 Explorer XLT 4.0 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 103 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Update: pictures picking up my truck this morning. Dealer says ford wants to know how fast its using oil. Already did oil consumption test. Fact is its using it. Dealer wanted to drive it for about a week to put 500 miles on it, send it home with a mechcanic or something. I told him NO! Getting screwed again. Looks like I'll be calling ford