Betty's "I want to be a mule" progress log thread

Turdle · August 20, 2014

No Ac, just a big fan. I could not afford ac for my garage, nor do I have enough service for that. Can you imagine an ac and my oven fighting each other and the nukes that would have to burn up to make it happen?

Dono · August 20, 2014

There are some bolts on the 5.0 302 that require thread sealer. Which ones are they?

Turdle · August 20, 2014

Dono said:
There are some bolts on the 5.0 302 that require thread sealer. Which ones are they?

I think some of the water pump bolts and 1 or 2 accessory bracket bolts go into the coolant passages.

CDW6212R · August 20, 2014

Dono said:
There are some bolts on the 5.0 302 that require thread sealer. Which ones are they?

Mainly water pump and intake manifold bolts, plus half of the head bolts I think.

CDW6212R · August 20, 2014

Turdle said:
... Can you imagine an ac and my oven fighting each other and the nukes that would have to burn up to make it happen?

That's exactly the mental image I was thinking of.

Steven Wright was a droll comedian who would say things like that. This comes to mind from him, "I'd like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in the same room and let them fight it out."

Turdle · August 20, 2014

Hmm
Ford CD says "sealer must be removed from flex plate bolt holes before installing bolts", although it says nothing about applying sealer to the bolts upon install. Edit : Russell says no sealer

Says nothing about sealer on the water pump or intake manifold bolts though.

Balancer pulley went on, with the timing marks on the timing sprockets aligned ( left it like that) the harmonic balancer lines up right on 0 degrees. Phew.

I have the cam sensor marked as it has to be removed to prime the oil pump.

Dono · August 20, 2014

Im finding head bolts need sealant on the internet.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/119417/thread/1102882145/head+bolt+sealant

This wont affect you, I just couldn't remember what bolts I read needed it. Wouldn't water pump bolts be a good idea also? If nothing else, it might help the corrosion that makes them so hard to remove.

Also, as Don said...
http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-engine-tech/657058-thread-sealant-timing-cover-bolts.html

CDW6212R · August 20, 2014

Dono said:
Im finding head bolts need sealant on the internet.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/119417/thread/1102882145/head+bolt+sealant

This wont affect you, I just couldn't remember what bolts I read needed it. Wouldn't water pump bolts be a good idea also? If nothing else, it might help the corrosion that makes them so hard to remove.

That's the best reason to use something on those fragile bolts.

Do be careful about using too much sealant of any kind on everything. Any holes that are blind(have no opening down inside), those shouldn't get too much sealant in them. If enough sealant gets in the hole of those before the bolt, the solid material cannot compress, and it will either stop the bolt from tightening, or it will blow out the threads(force the bolt out).

I found that out about 20 years ago with a leaking valve cover. The gaskets were cheap back then, and oil seemed to keep finding its way to the bolts, and seeping up around them, onto the top channel. Then I put too much RTV on the bolt threads when I installed them again, and two of them blew out the threads(as I learned what was happening). I had gotten some(too much) RTV down into the bolt holes, and it ruined those threads.

Dan Whitaker · August 20, 2014

CDW6212R said:
Steven Wright was a droll comedian who would say things like that. This comes to mind from him, "I'd like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in the same room and let them fight it out."

My favorite was his "Do you use a silencer if you shoot a mime"

vroomzoomboom · August 20, 2014

for head bolts, dont use sealer. it would mess up the torque readings when you torque the bolts down. if anything, you would want to oil the threads
i am trying to remember if i used sealant when i put the water pump and intake on. i dont remember doing that.

CDW6212R · August 20, 2014

There you go, somebody who has done it recently. Thanks Tim, I forget things over the years. Fortunately Fords do not have the big issues with coolant leaks around bolts like lots of Chevy's and others.

ahodges · August 21, 2014

vroomzoomboom said:
for head bolts, dont use sealer. it would mess up the torque readings when you torque the bolts down. if anything, you would want to oil the threads
i am trying to remember if i used sealant when i put the water pump and intake on. i dont remember doing that.

In fact, ARP makes a special lube to install head bolts, etc. so that the torque readings are correct. Maybe ARP doesn't make it but it does say right in their directions to use a moly lube.

Scott B. · August 21, 2014

I did not use sealant on any bolts in my 5.0L.

And I did use ARP moly on the head bolts.

Turdle · August 21, 2014

Well, If it leaks it needs sealer.

I submit samples 1 and 2 for the boards approval.

Poor ol gal. I got her jacked up to remove the front fender liners, been so long since I drove her she dropped wheel weights right on the ground when I backed her down the driveway a few feet. At least I know which wheel they fell from.

Scott B. · August 21, 2014

Looks really nice, Jon!

Turdle · August 22, 2014

Thank you.

Ok, this AM I had to break off for an appointment, but did manage to get the starter and spark plugs pulled out of "old" engine. I also drained the oil out and removed the filter so it could drip dry. I wanted to get to the exhaust manifold bolts but that didn't happen yet.

Took the tire in for a free lifetime balance visit. Heat delay for now.

Rick · August 22, 2014

What kind of powder is on the valve covers? Looks like a nice color, with a sheen instead of a shine. Pretty cool. :chug:

Turdle · August 22, 2014

Rick said:
What kind of powder is on the valve covers? Looks like a nice color, with a sheen instead of a shine. Pretty cool.

Thanks. It was an experiment with 3 different coats.
Just so I don't have to type it over, post 553 in this thread

Rick · August 22, 2014

Very cool. I would say the experiment worked :chug:

Turdle · August 23, 2014

All exhaust manifold bolts and oil dip stick came out clean!

Now to take on the torque converter nuts if I can, and trans bolts. I am trying to get this to where it will be quick pull out once help arrives.

Here is the list of those who will possibly attend as I remember it.

[MENTION=87244]gmanpaint[/MENTION] ( thanks for being the organizer guy

)
[MENTION=50756]Twiztid[/MENTION]
[MENTION=53464]dkchrist[/MENTION]
[MENTION=52174]Elessar65[/MENTION]

I need a good head count so I can be sure to have enough steaks--burgers--tofu or what you prefer on the grill.

I'm going to try to have my wife make a chocolate lasagna for desert. Oh, and we need a fire!

PS [MENTION=35357]traveler[/MENTION] Heads up. Maybe you and Sandi could come ?

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