Starting full width D44 SAS...B4 I order, what do you guys think??

rino351 · 08-03-2005, 12:52 PM

oh, so they're just for different amounts of lift?

thanks, I guess I'll just get the 7* ones

**james t** · 08-03-2005, 01:06 PM

You need to find out what your caster is gonna be and order to set it. You can adjust the caster by moving the radius arm to frame mount up or down, "lift" height (springs or were the spring tower is placed on the frame) or with different wedges. The different degrees are for different caster settings for different lifts... but since you're SASing you dont really have a reference point.

rino351 · 08-03-2005, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james t

... but since you're SASing you dont really have a reference point.

so pretty much if I order the 7* ones I should be fine, considering bmx said most everyone gets those anyhow?

*ending threadjacking*

*bmxking5* · 08-03-2005, 01:25 PM

I think you'll be fine with the 7* ones if you plan on having about the same amount of lift as most others who do an SAS (6-9"). On our trucks, I've heard that you can't go less than 6" of lift with the SAS b/c of clearance issues, so there is no way you could get the lower degree bushings. Only other option for them is higher degree bushings...and after seeing that you wheel the X pretty hard

I know you won't be going for some giant lift, so you won't really be able to use those either.

rino351 · 08-03-2005, 01:35 PM

sweet

thanks

*ok, I'm really going to stop threadjacking now* :p

*ohe_boy* · 08-03-2005, 04:10 PM

Its all good rino351. I don't mind sharing sas questions here!!! The more, the merrier!!
And btw, I am using the stock radius arms and already have ordered and received the 7 degree bushings! Like BMX said, many people have gone that route and so have I!

Only thing is that I'm still unsure about what kind of yoke i have on the d44!! how can i tell? see if the d44 yoke can fit around the front driveshaft u joint??

Kirby N. · 08-03-2005, 10:23 PM

My Dana 44 out of a 76 F150 had the right yoke on it for front driveshaft.

Ryan, It really depends on your mounts pretty heavily, not just lift to reiterate what James said. I used the lowest profile mounts I could pirate out of a 2x4 70s f150. I did that so I wouldn't snag them on anything. I am really not sure how my caster is since I haven't got it on a rack yet, but I don't think it is good. I started out with 4 degrees then moved to 7 degrees. Those bushings can also effect camber if caster is way out of wack and toe in must be used to off set it. I think that is what is going on with mine.

I will find out when I finally take it down to get it aligned professionally (I am an ametuer, but I still can get it pretty close) but I am not doing that until I have the final steering setup.

*jrgaylor* · 08-03-2005, 10:30 PM

u-joint specs

*ohe_boy* · 08-03-2005, 11:19 PM

Did anybody install their own gears or are knowledgable on the ring and pinion gears? Need some help!!

rino351 · 08-04-2005, 08:41 AM

my dad and I installed gears into the 8.8" adn as long as you follow the directions it wasn't that hard at all. We will probably install the gears ourselves when we get that far for the sas

*ohe_boy* · 08-05-2005, 12:55 AM

I needed some help with the Dana 44 up front! I know that its a bit more complicated then the ford 9 inch!

*bmxking5* · 08-05-2005, 01:05 AM

Yep...from what I've read, the ford 9" is actually one of the simplest axles. And it's definitely proven to be so, when I've pulled it about this many times.

I may or may not regear mine on my own. I haven't made up my mind yet.

*ohe_boy* · 08-05-2005, 03:21 AM

I've started on regearing the ford 9 and so far, so easy!!

Kirby N. · 08-05-2005, 08:43 AM

i have done about 10 axles so far. i did an xj last week and i will do my tj next. all the same basic idea, just accomplished a little differently. the 44 was an annoying design imho. too much pressing on and off. if i had to do it again i would make some set up bearings...

*ohe_boy* · 08-05-2005, 11:55 AM

Well thats one of the things...I thought that the master install kit would've came with the setup bearings but when I opened the kit up, it didn't come with one. ALSO, it didn't come with those inner and outer oil slingers and oil baffle, so I had to go hunting around the island for some. I didn't want to order them online as they are only a buck a piece. Luckily for local 4x4 shops they had all kinds of oil slingers and baffles!

*ohe_boy* · 08-05-2005, 07:15 PM

Changes made to my list - first post

*ohe_boy* · 08-11-2005, 01:40 AM

anybody got pics of their drop trac bar bracket/mount? Not sure how/where to mount them!

Kirby N. · 08-11-2005, 09:51 AM

Mine:

TBar Mount

And

Mount

Mines a stock mount turned over with a support built for it. I also welded some 1/4" reinforcement to the frame. Never had a problem with it. I hope Ibuilt it right the first time. There is alot of stress on that area, don't skimp in terms of strength.

*ohe_boy* · 08-14-2005, 01:33 AM

Actually I have these trac bar brackets off Broncograveyard and was wondering how you mount this sucker on?

On the lower left part of the bracket there's a hole with a tube thats welded on to the other side. what do you do with that?!

*splodo49* · 09-19-2005, 10:01 PM

Its kinda worthless without the original trac bar mount to bolt it over. unless you cut one of the upper ears off and weld it to the frame.

08-03-2005, 12:52 PM	#81
rino351 Wannabe Elite Explorer Golden, CO '94 XLT Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,409 Vehicle Specs	oh, so they're just for different amounts of lift? thanks, I guess I'll just get the 7* ones __________________ '94 XLT 4Dr 4X4 4x4 photos C4 conversion, man BW1354, 35" BFG muds, Trac-Lok Front, Aussie Rear, 4.10's, 8000lb Harbor Freight winch, custom front bumper Colorado School of Mines - Mechanical Engineering

08-03-2005, 01:06 PM	#82
james t moderation Texarkana AR/TX 94 SAS sport Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,255 Vehicle Specs	You need to find out what your caster is gonna be and order to set it. You can adjust the caster by moving the radius arm to frame mount up or down, "lift" height (springs or were the spring tower is placed on the frame) or with different wedges. The different degrees are for different caster settings for different lifts... but since you're SASing you dont really have a reference point. __________________ my rebuild

08-03-2005, 01:25 PM	#84
bmxking5 Rollover Posse Member Monroe, GA '93 Sport & '96 XLT Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,812 Vehicle Specs	I think you'll be fine with the 7* ones if you plan on having about the same amount of lift as most others who do an SAS (6-9"). On our trucks, I've heard that you can't go less than 6" of lift with the SAS b/c of clearance issues, so there is no way you could get the lower degree bushings. Only other option for them is higher degree bushings...and after seeing that you wheel the X pretty hard I know you won't be going for some giant lift, so you won't really be able to use those either. __________________ Weekend Toy: '93 Explorer 2dr - Full-width D44/9" swap, disc f/r, 37" Nittos, 4.88s locked rear, hi steer '96 Explorer 5.0 - Lifted, Magnaflow, Mac, TMH, 33s, TOTALLED!! New DD: '01 F150 Supercrew 4x4 - Magnaflow Hi-Flow cats & Muffler, powdercoated FX4 wheels, leveling kit

08-03-2005, 01:35 PM	#85
rino351 Wannabe Elite Explorer Golden, CO '94 XLT Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,409 Vehicle Specs	sweet thanks ok, I'm really going to stop threadjacking now :p __________________ '94 XLT 4Dr 4X4 4x4 photos C4 conversion, man BW1354, 35" BFG muds, Trac-Lok Front, Aussie Rear, 4.10's, 8000lb Harbor Freight winch, custom front bumper Colorado School of Mines - Mechanical Engineering

08-03-2005, 04:10 PM	#86
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Its all good rino351. I don't mind sharing sas questions here!!! The more, the merrier!! And btw, I am using the stock radius arms and already have ordered and received the 7 degree bushings! Like BMX said, many people have gone that route and so have I! Only thing is that I'm still unsure about what kind of yoke i have on the d44!! how can i tell? see if the d44 yoke can fit around the front driveshaft u joint?? __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-03-2005, 10:23 PM	#87
Kirby N. Wannabe Elite Explorer Ogden, UT 1993 Sploder Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,723 Vehicle Specs	My Dana 44 out of a 76 F150 had the right yoke on it for front driveshaft. Ryan, It really depends on your mounts pretty heavily, not just lift to reiterate what James said. I used the lowest profile mounts I could pirate out of a 2x4 70s f150. I did that so I wouldn't snag them on anything. I am really not sure how my caster is since I haven't got it on a rack yet, but I don't think it is good. I started out with 4 degrees then moved to 7 degrees. Those bushings can also effect camber if caster is way out of wack and toe in must be used to off set it. I think that is what is going on with mine. I will find out when I finally take it down to get it aligned professionally (I am an ametuer, but I still can get it pretty close) but I am not doing that until I have the final steering setup. __________________ SOLD 93 Sploder- HP Dana 44 Front, 37" MTRs, 4.56s, 1354 doubler, ARB, Detroit, Winch, Kirby Built Armor, etc... 05 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited LJ 4" Lift, 33s, 94 F150

08-03-2005, 10:30 PM	#88
jrgaylor Power through it! onalaska, Washington 1988 BroncoII Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,476 Vehicle Specs	u-joint specs __________________ 88 BroncoII 4.0/C5/1350/1354/D44/9" 72 Bronco 302 I have a matched set of early bronco axles for sale D44 and 9" for sale PM me for price and details.

08-03-2005, 11:19 PM	#89
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Did anybody install their own gears or are knowledgable on the ring and pinion gears? Need some help!! __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-04-2005, 08:41 AM	#90
rino351 Wannabe Elite Explorer Golden, CO '94 XLT Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,409 Vehicle Specs	my dad and I installed gears into the 8.8" adn as long as you follow the directions it wasn't that hard at all. We will probably install the gears ourselves when we get that far for the sas __________________ '94 XLT 4Dr 4X4 4x4 photos C4 conversion, man BW1354, 35" BFG muds, Trac-Lok Front, Aussie Rear, 4.10's, 8000lb Harbor Freight winch, custom front bumper Colorado School of Mines - Mechanical Engineering

08-05-2005, 12:55 AM	#91
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I needed some help with the Dana 44 up front! I know that its a bit more complicated then the ford 9 inch! __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-05-2005, 01:05 AM	#92
bmxking5 Rollover Posse Member Monroe, GA '93 Sport & '96 XLT Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,812 Vehicle Specs	Yep...from what I've read, the ford 9" is actually one of the simplest axles. And it's definitely proven to be so, when I've pulled it about this many times. I may or may not regear mine on my own. I haven't made up my mind yet. __________________ Weekend Toy: '93 Explorer 2dr - Full-width D44/9" swap, disc f/r, 37" Nittos, 4.88s locked rear, hi steer '96 Explorer 5.0 - Lifted, Magnaflow, Mac, TMH, 33s, TOTALLED!! New DD: '01 F150 Supercrew 4x4 - Magnaflow Hi-Flow cats & Muffler, powdercoated FX4 wheels, leveling kit

08-05-2005, 03:21 AM	#93
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I've started on regearing the ford 9 and so far, so easy!! __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-05-2005, 08:43 AM	#94
Kirby N. Wannabe Elite Explorer Ogden, UT 1993 Sploder Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,723 Vehicle Specs	i have done about 10 axles so far. i did an xj last week and i will do my tj next. all the same basic idea, just accomplished a little differently. the 44 was an annoying design imho. too much pressing on and off. if i had to do it again i would make some set up bearings... __________________ SOLD 93 Sploder- HP Dana 44 Front, 37" MTRs, 4.56s, 1354 doubler, ARB, Detroit, Winch, Kirby Built Armor, etc... 05 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited LJ 4" Lift, 33s, 94 F150

08-05-2005, 11:55 AM	#95
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Well thats one of the things...I thought that the master install kit would've came with the setup bearings but when I opened the kit up, it didn't come with one. ALSO, it didn't come with those inner and outer oil slingers and oil baffle, so I had to go hunting around the island for some. I didn't want to order them online as they are only a buck a piece. Luckily for local 4x4 shops they had all kinds of oil slingers and baffles! __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-05-2005, 07:15 PM	#96
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Changes made to my list - first post __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-11-2005, 01:40 AM	#97
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	anybody got pics of their drop trac bar bracket/mount? Not sure how/where to mount them! __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

08-11-2005, 09:51 AM	#98
Kirby N. Wannabe Elite Explorer Ogden, UT 1993 Sploder Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,723 Vehicle Specs	Mine: TBar Mount And Mount Mines a stock mount turned over with a support built for it. I also welded some 1/4" reinforcement to the frame. Never had a problem with it. I hope Ibuilt it right the first time. There is alot of stress on that area, don't skimp in terms of strength. __________________ SOLD 93 Sploder- HP Dana 44 Front, 37" MTRs, 4.56s, 1354 doubler, ARB, Detroit, Winch, Kirby Built Armor, etc... 05 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited LJ 4" Lift, 33s, 94 F150

08-14-2005, 01:33 AM	#99
ohe_boy Elite Explorer Kane'ohe, Hawaii '94 4x4 XLT Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 728 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	78-79 Bronco Drop Trac Bar Bracket Actually I have these trac bar brackets off Broncograveyard and was wondering how you mount this sucker on? On the lower left part of the bracket there's a hole with a tube thats welded on to the other side. what do you do with that?! Attached Images __________________ Kea Hottendorf - '94 4X4 XLT, FULL WIDTH HP Dana 44 up front with FULL WIDTH Ford 9" in the rear. 4.88 gears Lockright front and detroit back 36'' IROKs 3" BL, KKM Air Filter, Flowmaster 50 series, My SAS Thread

09-19-2005, 10:01 PM	#100
splodo49 Ejection seat man.. Tooele,Utah 94 XLT,75 FJ, 05 Cummins Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 709 Vehicle Specs	Its kinda worthless without the original trac bar mount to bolt it over. unless you cut one of the upper ears off and weld it to the frame. __________________ SAS BUILD UP 2.5 Ton Rocks, Fully Locked, Pinion Brakes, Full Hydro, Re-Centered H1s, Rock rings. 42" Pitbulls Max speed about 35-40