Burns SAS thread

**Burns** · 11-02-2006, 12:15 AM

ok here is a run down of the prolbems my X has at the time:

1. I don't have 2nd gear!

2. I am leaking rear-end oil.(getting fixed this weekend)

3. My power steering box needs a bottom seal.

4. I have a ujoing cap missing in my front right axle joint.(also this weekend)

5. I have no carpet and need to finish the floor liner.

6. Rear seat brackets. In the process of quad buckets.

I still have a few questions but it really does not matter becasue i have listed
my probs that need to be fixed first.

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Originally Posted by IZwack

Look at the junk yards for the flat-tops .. also check out PBB and E-bay. I got mine from a guy on PBB for ~$75. Of course, as flat tops come from the factory, only one side is set up for hi-steer so you have to get the other side machined, drilled and tapped -- which typically costs between $40 and $70

1. With this being said why cant i just have both of them machined, drilled, and tapped?

2. If i can have them both machined is there a chance of breaking parts due to them both being machined?

3. I am doing removable doors with bolts where the door pins are. I seen this from someone on sxc. Without the two front doors will this warp my cab.

**IZwack** · 11-02-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Burns

1. With this being said why cant i just have both of them machined, drilled, and tapped?

2. If i can have them both machined is there a chance of breaking parts due to them both being machined?

Well as you know, not all D44 knuckles can be machined, drilled and tapped -- only "flat-tops" because the rest just doesnt have enough metal at the top. For example, the stock knuckles that were on my D44 were not flat tops. But most that are flat tops already have one side machined, drilled and tapped -- so you only need to do the other side.

There is no chance of breaking flat-top knuckles as a result of the machining process. I mean the person doing the machining, drilling and tapping should know what they're doing and should remove the least amount of material as possible.

*sn0border88* · 11-02-2006, 06:30 AM

read up

http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html

zainyD · 11-02-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sn0border88

read up

http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html

x2

redranger4.0 · 11-02-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns

3. I am doing removable doors with bolts where the door pins are. I seen this from someone on sxc. Without the two front doors will this warp my cab.

i highly doubt youll warp the cab, maybe if it was a unibody, but with the full frame and pillars i dont think so.

**Burns** · 11-02-2006, 03:04 PM

I didnt think it would but it never hurts to ask.

**Burns** · 11-05-2006, 09:48 PM

1. I don't have 2nd gear! Not at the top of the fix list but it sucks.
2. My power steering box needs a bottom seal.
3. I have no carpet and need to finish the floor liner.
4. Rear seat brackets. In the process of quad buckets.
5. I need to find the time to swap in my newer 4.0

I am leaking rear-end oil.(Done)
I have a ujoing cap missing in my front right axle joint.(Done)

*Nick26* · 11-06-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Burns

1. I don't have 2nd gear!

join the club, i just lost 5th gear... I'm rebuilding mine at the moment and my thread here may help you out if you plan on tackling that one yourself:
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...08#post1541308

**Burns** · 11-06-2006, 03:20 PM

With my tranny unlike yours didnt make a single noise when it went out. i drove it home one night from being in town and got up the next morning and went to school. i went to second and it was gone. nothing no noise or anything. i think i have a prolbem within the top half but not sure.

**Burns** · 11-06-2006, 11:37 PM

with the link that sn0border88 posted i have a question. i cant really make some of the pic out for sure but here is my pic. i could drill and tap it but the smaller side pointed out tends to worry me because this is a daily driver but it gets wheeled almost every weekend.

here are a few from about two weeks ago.

they call it crap creek but with a few diffrent terms. it lives up to its name with the mud smell.

*sn0border88* · 11-07-2006, 12:06 AM

that dosent even look like a flatop knuckle, its off an f-150 right? I dont think they came with flattops. You need f-250 or chevy/FSJ parts. Check about 3/4 of the way through the flattops page for a list of years with interchangeng flattops.

**Burns** · 11-07-2006, 12:09 AM

thats what i thought. thanks. its only a 75 dollar swap or so but i was tryin to be cheap. the ones on the site that they say no for sure is the ones i have. thats what i thought but on of the pic was questionable.

**james t** · 11-07-2006, 05:17 AM

Sell your stuff from the knuckles out on ebay, and list it as an "all Ford early Bronco disc swap". Some EB guys like running the F150 knuckles out so they can keep their rig all Ford. You will probably need different spindles/brakes with the flat tops anyway.

zainyD · 11-07-2006, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by james t

Sell your stuff from the knuckles out on ebay, and list it as an "all Ford early Bronco disc swap". Some EB guys like running the F150 knuckles out so they can keep their rig all Ford. You will probably need different spindles/brakes with the flat tops anyway.

That's what I would do. Sell your Ford outers and buy Chevy outers with flat-top knuckles. You'll have to spend a bit of money on the hi-steer arms but in the end you won't have too spend too much. Chevy stuff is very cheap.

**Burns** · 11-07-2006, 09:51 AM

Im like the EB guys and would like to stay all Ford parts. however that may not happen. i need to find out on this first.

**IZwack** · 11-07-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns

Im like the EB guys and would like to stay all Ford parts. however that may not happen. i need to find out on this first.

Yes deviate from the Blue Oval and come over into the Jeep/Chevy world

redranger4.0 · 11-07-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IZwack

Yes deviate from the Blue Oval and come over into the Jeep/Chevy world

Mutts are what happen when you try to build a rig, lets see i got

jeep front axle, chevy outers with ford rotors, toyota steering box, EB rear axle. I have something from everything lol

*sn0border88* · 11-07-2006, 05:04 PM

you can easily stay all ford, just buy ford flattops and spindles. Ebay has them all the time, and you can definatly reuse your outer.

**Burns** · 11-07-2006, 08:29 PM

Im a all in ford guy. its in the family lol

redranger4.0 · 11-07-2006, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sn0border88

you can easily stay all ford, just buy ford flattops and spindles. Ebay has them all the time, and you can definatly reuse your outer.

except that ford flattops are weaker then chevy's, they dont have as much material for the studs to thread into.

11-02-2006, 06:30 AM	#423
sn0border88 Master Apprentice Souderton, PA 1992 XLT Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,342 Vehicle Specs	read up http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html __________________ My Photos---Emily Rose---SAS Thread---My Mug 1992 4dr XLT. SAS'ed HPD44/9" 5.13's Locked F/R 36" SX 1999 4.0 5spd sport on 31" BFG Muds

11-02-2006, 03:04 PM	#426
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I didnt think it would but it never hurts to ask. __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage

11-05-2006, 09:48 PM	#427
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	1. I don't have 2nd gear! Not at the top of the fix list but it sucks. 2. My power steering box needs a bottom seal. 3. I have no carpet and need to finish the floor liner. 4. Rear seat brackets. In the process of quad buckets. 5. I need to find the time to swap in my newer 4.0 I am leaking rear-end oil.(Done) I have a ujoing cap missing in my front right axle joint.(Done) __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage

11-06-2006, 03:20 PM	#429
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	With my tranny unlike yours didnt make a single noise when it went out. i drove it home one night from being in town and got up the next morning and went to school. i went to second and it was gone. nothing no noise or anything. i think i have a prolbem within the top half but not sure. __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage

11-06-2006, 11:37 PM	#430
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	with the link that sn0border88 posted i have a question. i cant really make some of the pic out for sure but here is my pic. i could drill and tap it but the smaller side pointed out tends to worry me because this is a daily driver but it gets wheeled almost every weekend. here are a few from about two weeks ago. they call it crap creek but with a few diffrent terms. it lives up to its name with the mud smell. __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage

11-07-2006, 12:06 AM	#431
sn0border88 Master Apprentice Souderton, PA 1992 XLT Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,342 Vehicle Specs	that dosent even look like a flatop knuckle, its off an f-150 right? I dont think they came with flattops. You need f-250 or chevy/FSJ parts. Check about 3/4 of the way through the flattops page for a list of years with interchangeng flattops. __________________ My Photos---Emily Rose---SAS Thread---My Mug 1992 4dr XLT. SAS'ed HPD44/9" 5.13's Locked F/R 36" SX 1999 4.0 5spd sport on 31" BFG Muds

11-07-2006, 12:09 AM	#432
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	thats what i thought. thanks. its only a 75 dollar swap or so but i was tryin to be cheap. the ones on the site that they say no for sure is the ones i have. thats what i thought but on of the pic was questionable. __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage

11-07-2006, 05:17 AM	#433
james t moderation Texarkana AR/TX 94 SAS sport Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 11,248 Vehicle Specs	Sell your stuff from the knuckles out on ebay, and list it as an "all Ford early Bronco disc swap". Some EB guys like running the F150 knuckles out so they can keep their rig all Ford. You will probably need different spindles/brakes with the flat tops anyway. __________________ my rebuild "It started as a hobby, slowly turned into a lifestyle, then spiralled downward into mental illness. My lawnmower has tree rash on it."

11-07-2006, 09:51 AM	#435
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Im like the EB guys and would like to stay all Ford parts. however that may not happen. i need to find out on this first. __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage

11-07-2006, 05:04 PM	#438
sn0border88 Master Apprentice Souderton, PA 1992 XLT Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,342 Vehicle Specs	you can easily stay all ford, just buy ford flattops and spindles. Ebay has them all the time, and you can definatly reuse your outer. __________________ My Photos---Emily Rose---SAS Thread---My Mug 1992 4dr XLT. SAS'ed HPD44/9" 5.13's Locked F/R 36" SX 1999 4.0 5spd sport on 31" BFG Muds

11-07-2006, 08:29 PM	#439
Burns EF Late Night Crew Memphis, TN 1991 Explorer/2002 F-250 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,923 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Im a all in ford guy. its in the family lol __________________ Jonathan Burns Moderator of the Feature Truck Forum Owner of the "Lime" Forum Rules and Usage