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'97 V8 · 07-09-2006, 09:12 PM

The safer method of beading the tire is using a stick with a flame on it. I learned the hard way about using a match with my hand.

Now is that the final hieght for the rear of the ex?

**IZwack** · 07-09-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by '97 V8

The safer method of beading the tire is using a stick with a flame on it. I learned the hard way about using a match with my hand.

I sprayed a trail with the starter fluid from the tire to where I huddled behind a large trash can. Thats where I ignited the spray trail which the fire then followed to the tire. My friend walked by and thought he was safe from the flame.

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Originally Posted by '97 V8

Now is that the final hieght for the rear of the ex?

No - my rear leaf springs are pretty much dead (flatenning). So I will eventually put a 1" or 2" block on it to get it back to the proper height. This new height will be the basis for the front lift height. But in the near future, the rear will be 4-linked so all this leaf-spring stuff will be no more.

hiridin · 07-10-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by '97 V8

can you do me an enormous favor and pm me some details. on how you did that...or better yet make me one

. Where would i get a tone ring though..thats what i am having trouble with. I use my rpms also..41 is when theres a shift point...in 4th at 60 it will be a hair under 2000.

got your pm. ya i'll get u some details on it. get some pics up on my cardomain for ya. i ordered my tone ring from ford. had someone put a center piece in it so it could be bolted inbetween the driveshaft and the transfer case. built a bracket thats bolted to the transfer case. it holds the sensor in place. and snoborder88... ya my non engine related cel will fail me but no speedo or odometer is perfectly legal.

i have a manual transmission so i have no ill side effects from this. but wouldn't there be some possible problems with an auto tranny since it wouldn't know when to shift etc... or does the tranny simply go off the rpm's? ford told this would cause problems if i had an auto. but they are wrong alot more than right soo...

**IZwack** · 07-10-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hiridin

ford told this would cause problems if i had an auto. but they are wrong alot more than right soo...

They are right on this .. there has been at least one SAS project on the board that had problems after swapping both axles out and having no speedo sensor on either axles. Off the top of my head, I remember a Ranger in Michigan that ran into the same problem.

'97 V8 · 07-10-2006, 08:18 PM

Wouldnt that only be an issue with the 98 and newer rigs? Without a speedo my truck still shifts normally.

**IZwack** · 07-10-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by '97 V8

Wouldnt that only be an issue with the 98 and newer rigs? Without a speedo my truck still shifts normally.

Yes sorry forgot to mention that.. it only applies to 98 and above Explorers

Now onto the SAS thing.. I removed the front axle and cross member today. I'll only get an hour or two every day for the next few days so within that time frame, I'm just going to clean up the front -- mostly grind away all the extra metal left over from the cutting process.

**IZwack** · 07-11-2006, 11:13 PM

Finished removing all of the front-axle related stuff (lower A-arm brackets, upper A-arm brackets, shock tower thingy). Its supposed to thunder storm tomorrow so I probably won't get much time on the vehicle. On Thursday I have the meet-n-greet thing up near Baltimore so that'll take up most of my free time. So next chance I'll get to work on it is Friday - given the weather plays well (20% thunder storm). So.. I hope to be mocking up the links on Friday and over the weekend.

**section525** · 07-11-2006, 11:15 PM

Pics.

**IZwack** · 07-12-2006, 01:12 PM

hehe sorry I didn't take any pics 'cauz there's really nothing too impressive to show .. just a bare chassis rail. but i'll try to remember to take a pic before the mockup over the weekend.

on a side note, I got tired of scratching up my prescription glasses so I just bought two pairs (one indoor/outdoor lense, one smoke lense) of these HOT safety glasses for this SAS project thing (~$5 a piece).

*21robbie21* · 07-12-2006, 05:52 PM

where did you buy those, id be interested for 5 dollars, i wear glasses too

**IZwack** · 07-12-2006, 08:16 PM

http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/elvex1-axiom.html

sorry its ~$6 a piece

**IZwack** · 07-14-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by section525

Pics.

A few days late but here you go:

This weekend I hope to mock the links up

'97 V8 · 07-14-2006, 11:46 PM

Are you a perfectionist?

**IZwack** · 07-14-2006, 11:47 PM

LOL no.. why u ask?

The frame rails had to be cleaned up cauz shock towers must be welded to that thing. And it only takes like 7 minutes with a wire brush cup on a grinder to get the chassis to that state -- it easily ate through the left over dirt and the undercoating to reveal the metal.

As for the mock up links -- its critical because one of the things I *might* have to do is relocate the engine mount so that its on top of the chassis instead of the side. The reason being is that the upper link *might* run into it at full stuff. If I have to relocate the engine mount, I'd rather do it now while I have easy access to it as the shock towers will make it difficult to get to after they are welded in.

**section525** · 07-14-2006, 11:56 PM

Why not a 1st Gen Explorer box? Or did I miss that somewhere?

**IZwack** · 07-14-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by section525

Why not a 1st Gen Explorer box? Or did I miss that somewhere?

I went with the Toyota box for three reasons:

- I got it for I think $23

- I might run a hydro-assist later on, and there's plenty of writeups on how to tap the Toyota box for this setup.The reason why I'm consdering hydro-assist is because the backspacing on the wheels are only 2.5" - which will make turning just a tiny bit more difficult on the trail.

- diversity

(GM rear axle, Jeep front axle, Toyota steering box).

**IZwack** · 07-15-2006, 10:36 PM

Well today I didn't get as much as I wanted done (it never does go that way does it - especially on a one-man team project).

I relocated the fuel and brake lines that used to run on the side of the left chassis rail -- they now run on the top side of the rail. This is required for the long upper link.

Chopped the left side of the transmissoin mount so that the transmission is only supported by the right mount

Ehehe I know this is VERY iffy but its temporary. And the reason for this is also for the long upper link.

Tomorrow I get to mock up the links ------------- FINALLY!!!

*JoshC* · 07-16-2006, 11:10 AM

What all is involved and how hard was it to move the fuel/brake lines?

**IZwack** · 07-16-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshC

What all is involved and how hard was it to move the fuel/brake lines?

I didn't remove them at all. What I did was notched the top of the frame rail. The notch is about 1.5-inches long - just long enough for all four lines to pass through. I then welded a piece back to stop the lines from coming back towards the inside of the frame rail.

I can't explain it really well but I'll post a pic of it tonight.

*21robbie21* · 07-16-2006, 06:32 PM

IZWACK, my hero, hopefully i can find my camera cord and give you a pretty visual update of mine tonight, either tommrow or tues ima start tearing down and im gonna catch and pass you

, im just playing ur gonna kill me, you know what ur doing, im just making it up as i go.

07-09-2006, 09:12 PM	#121
'97 V8 Wannabe Elite Explorer Lima, Ohio '97 mounty 5.0 4x4 baby!! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,695 Vehicle Specs	The safer method of beading the tire is using a stick with a flame on it. I learned the hard way about using a match with my hand. Now is that the final hieght for the rear of the ex? __________________ 1997 Mercury Mountaineer 4x4 V8 3" bl, manual t-case. Dana 60/14 bolt combo with 36x13.5x17 iroks on H2 rims. 5.13's. Future plan: 3.9 or 5.9 Turbo diesel cummins

07-10-2006, 08:18 PM	#125
'97 V8 Wannabe Elite Explorer Lima, Ohio '97 mounty 5.0 4x4 baby!! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,695 Vehicle Specs	Wouldnt that only be an issue with the 98 and newer rigs? Without a speedo my truck still shifts normally. __________________ 1997 Mercury Mountaineer 4x4 V8 3" bl, manual t-case. Dana 60/14 bolt combo with 36x13.5x17 iroks on H2 rims. 5.13's. Future plan: 3.9 or 5.9 Turbo diesel cummins

07-11-2006, 11:13 PM	#127
IZwack Germantown, MD Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 22,381 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Finished removing all of the front-axle related stuff (lower A-arm brackets, upper A-arm brackets, shock tower thingy). Its supposed to thunder storm tomorrow so I probably won't get much time on the vehicle. On Thursday I have the meet-n-greet thing up near Baltimore so that'll take up most of my free time. So next chance I'll get to work on it is Friday - given the weather plays well (20% thunder storm). So.. I hope to be mocking up the links on Friday and over the weekend. __________________ »»»»»...how'd the moon get there, how'd the moon get there?

07-11-2006, 11:15 PM	#128
section525 sextion525 Red Bluff, Ca 1975 Ford Bronco 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 14,906 Vehicle Specs	Pics. __________________ Support the Forum '13 3.5 Explorer '08 2.0 Focus '75 5.0 Bronco '04 6.0 Super Duty

07-12-2006, 01:12 PM	#129
IZwack Germantown, MD Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 22,381 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	hehe sorry I didn't take any pics 'cauz there's really nothing too impressive to show .. just a bare chassis rail. but i'll try to remember to take a pic before the mockup over the weekend. on a side note, I got tired of scratching up my prescription glasses so I just bought two pairs (one indoor/outdoor lense, one smoke lense) of these HOT safety glasses for this SAS project thing (~$5 a piece). __________________ »»»»»...how'd the moon get there, how'd the moon get there?

07-12-2006, 05:52 PM	#130
21robbie21 Elite SPort duluth, ga explorer sport 2001 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 386 Vehicle Specs	where did you buy those, id be interested for 5 dollars, i wear glasses too __________________ 2001 xsport Some Flex pics My SAS thread My X SASed D44 front on 37" Parnelli Jones Dirt Grips 4.88's, Detroit TruTrac in the rear

07-12-2006, 08:16 PM	#131
IZwack Germantown, MD Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 22,381 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/elvex1-axiom.html sorry its ~$6 a piece __________________ »»»»»...how'd the moon get there, how'd the moon get there? Last edited by IZwack; 07-12-2006 at 08:27 PM.

07-14-2006, 11:46 PM	#133
'97 V8 Wannabe Elite Explorer Lima, Ohio '97 mounty 5.0 4x4 baby!! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,695 Vehicle Specs	Are you a perfectionist? __________________ 1997 Mercury Mountaineer 4x4 V8 3" bl, manual t-case. Dana 60/14 bolt combo with 36x13.5x17 iroks on H2 rims. 5.13's. Future plan: 3.9 or 5.9 Turbo diesel cummins

07-14-2006, 11:47 PM	#134
IZwack Germantown, MD Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 22,381 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	LOL no.. why u ask? The frame rails had to be cleaned up cauz shock towers must be welded to that thing. And it only takes like 7 minutes with a wire brush cup on a grinder to get the chassis to that state -- it easily ate through the left over dirt and the undercoating to reveal the metal. As for the mock up links -- its critical because one of the things I might have to do is relocate the engine mount so that its on top of the chassis instead of the side. The reason being is that the upper link might run into it at full stuff. If I have to relocate the engine mount, I'd rather do it now while I have easy access to it as the shock towers will make it difficult to get to after they are welded in. __________________ »»»»»...how'd the moon get there, how'd the moon get there?

07-14-2006, 11:56 PM	#135
section525 sextion525 Red Bluff, Ca 1975 Ford Bronco 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 14,906 Vehicle Specs	Why not a 1st Gen Explorer box? Or did I miss that somewhere? __________________ Support the Forum '13 3.5 Explorer '08 2.0 Focus '75 5.0 Bronco '04 6.0 Super Duty

07-15-2006, 10:36 PM	#137
IZwack Germantown, MD Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 22,381 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Well today I didn't get as much as I wanted done (it never does go that way does it - especially on a one-man team project). I relocated the fuel and brake lines that used to run on the side of the left chassis rail -- they now run on the top side of the rail. This is required for the long upper link. Chopped the left side of the transmissoin mount so that the transmission is only supported by the right mount Ehehe I know this is VERY iffy but its temporary. And the reason for this is also for the long upper link. Tomorrow I get to mock up the links ------------- FINALLY!!! __________________ »»»»»...how'd the moon get there, how'd the moon get there? Last edited by IZwack; 07-15-2006 at 10:56 PM.

07-16-2006, 11:10 AM	#138
JoshC Only rolled it once honey Nitro, WV 97 4d OHV Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,525 Vehicle Specs	What all is involved and how hard was it to move the fuel/brake lines? __________________ Josh Cassell --- WV Air Force National Guard 97 SASed explorer---RIP 06 Jeep Commander V8 2012 Chevy HD Z71 w/ 285's (company owned, I wouldn't buy it!) 2008 Yamaha Rhino-rock crawler

07-16-2006, 06:32 PM	#140
21robbie21 Elite SPort duluth, ga explorer sport 2001 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 386 Vehicle Specs	IZWACK, my hero, hopefully i can find my camera cord and give you a pretty visual update of mine tonight, either tommrow or tues ima start tearing down and im gonna catch and pass you , im just playing ur gonna kill me, you know what ur doing, im just making it up as i go. __________________ 2001 xsport Some Flex pics My SAS thread My X SASed D44 front on 37" Parnelli Jones Dirt Grips 4.88's, Detroit TruTrac in the rear