New Garage in Process (pics inside)

old mechanic · 09-18-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerB74

Warm!! HAHA. I am up in Saskatchewan! We get winter from October to May sometimes with weeks of -30 and often down to -40 or colder for several days. The code here does not require a grade beam for a dettached garage. Only if it was attached to the house would we have to dig it down with pilings.

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And the frost won't lift it? Better than the BULL$HIT we have to do here for a very rare -1 degree day.
I'm thinking that maybe your ground is frozen enough all the time so it does not thaw and lift the cement up and down?

**BrooklynBay** · 09-18-2006, 11:27 PM

Many years ago, in late 1991 to early 1992 to be a little more exact, I had a job in upstate NY that used all of this kind of stuff. Now I don't see this kind of material locally used too much. I don't know if it is still being used in upstate NY. Plywood, and steel beams, with steel joists are much more common. They still make furniture, kitchen, and bathroom cabinets out of particle board. They have very strict fire codes now, so steel joists are more common. You could still buy 2X4, and 2X3 wood. They also sell interlocking waferboard floor boards, and prefinished particle board shelving.

old mechanic · 09-19-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RockRanger

Not to get to off topic but why do you ask about the use of OSB? It is pretty standard out here in cali to use this stuff instead of plywood. Just wondering if you dont use back east. Is it becase it expands more when wet or? Just kind of curius is all.

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I 'm a contractor and I live in N England and its common to see other products besides plywood being used. The metal buildings have been around for years. One of the first to produce them was Butler. Funny, 40? years later most of us still call them Butler buildings. Kinda like when Oldsmobile came out with the auto transmission they called it Hydromatic and for a long time people called all automatics Hydromatics.

*KillerB74* · 09-19-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynBay

I see that you used waferboard, not plywood, and wood beams, not steel beams. Are there different codes for building with certain materials? Are you going to cover it with roofing paper, and siding, or styrofaom sheeting, and stucco? Is it going to have a flat roof, or a sloped, pitched roof?

Wood is a very typical building material here. Way cheaper than steel and less thermal bridging to the interior when we hit those -40 temps. My OH door header is a purpose built wood laminated beam specifically for this application as the door is in the supporting wall.
The roof will be a sloped roof, with roofing paper and 25 year ashphalt shingles. The walls will be wraped in a building wrap and then vinyl siding installed.

*RockRanger* · 09-19-2006, 05:42 PM

Why just one window? Seems like a good time to add a few more to add some more natural light. I am jelous you will have a nice place to work in.

*KillerB74* · 09-19-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockRanger

Why just one window? Seems like a good time to add a few more to add some more natural light. I am jelous you will have a nice place to work in.

I have mixed feelings about windows. The natural light would be great, but they also create more break and enter points. Also, insulated walls hold the heat better at -40 and in the winter it gets dark at 4:30pm!

The roof is now on! All the neighbors are stopping by to admire the size of it. Most them have smaller attached garages and all ask why I would want to have a 10' wall with an 8' door. I tell them there will be more room for a lifted vehicle to go in and out of!

**BrooklynBay** · 09-19-2006, 10:57 PM

You might want to consider glass blocks as an alternative to windows. They are more secure, and better insulated.

aldive · 09-20-2006, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerB74

I have mixed feelings about windows. The natural light would be great, but they also create more break and enter points.

Are you installing an alarm system in the new garage?

In mine, I have CO2, smoke, and heat detectors as well as bugged all entry points.

**BrooklynBay** · 09-20-2006, 09:22 AM

You could always install a steel gate in front of the window.

*KillerB74* · 09-20-2006, 12:16 PM

After the window talk I have decided to upgrade the door with a row windows. You guys are correct, you can never have too much light. I am getting a full row of windows in one panel (6 windows). That adds about $500 to the price of the door

. Oh well its only the banks money

*KillerB74* · 09-25-2006, 11:12 PM

Updated with new pictures, please see the first post for the on going construction story!

**rookieshooter** · 09-26-2006, 04:38 PM

Cut a door in that side of the house that faces the side of garage. Then a door in the garage directly in front of living room door. I assume it's your living room. Then it's only one step and your in your garage. Wife may not like it though. LOL Easy to get in garage on those super cold and snowy days. Then again that breezway might be drifted with snow.
Brooklyn, that type construction seems to me is just your basic meat and potatoes garage. Only thing I question is the no footings. Seems thawing and freezing could cause that slab to crack. But there is a lot of re-bar in that slab.

aldive · 09-26-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerB74

Updated with new pictures, please see the first post for the on going construction story!

Looks very nice.

Be sure to post some pictures when you "fill it up".

**BrooklynBay** · 09-26-2006, 08:51 PM

Are you planning on putting in shelving, and work benches? Did you think about sky lights? You could get a lot of light without having windows on the ground level where people could look in.

*KillerB74* · 09-27-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynBay

Are you planning on putting in shelving, and work benches? Did you think about sky lights? You could get a lot of light without having windows on the ground level where people could look in.

A skylight has crossed my mind, but it is becoming a matter of budget now. I just bought the electrical supplies and they were $750 without any light fixtures. 6/3 NMWU is $16/meter ($4.90/ft), 50ft cost $250 alone! So far I have spent more than $15,000 without insulation and sheeting the inside.

A work bench is in the plan for sure. I am still deciding what kind to build. A friend of mine made one out of 2x4's glued and screwed stacked on edge, basically making a butcher block type of top. I am considering trying that.

*KillerB74* · 09-27-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rookieshooter

Cut a door in that side of the house that faces the side of garage. Then a door in the garage directly in front of living room door. I assume it's your living room. Then it's only one step and your in your garage. Wife may not like it though. LOL Easy to get in garage on those super cold and snowy days. Then again that breezway might be drifted with snow.
Brooklyn, that type construction seems to me is just your basic meat and potatoes garage. Only thing I question is the no footings. Seems thawing and freezing could cause that slab to crack. But there is a lot of re-bar in that slab.

Luckily the door on the back of the house is very close as well. You come out the back door onto the deck, walk about 10' and you are at the garage. That is good idea though, I will have to put it in the future enhancments category for now!

I am not sure why we are allowed a slab with a thickened edge on a detached garage. My dad has had his for about 25yrs now and the slab is still in excellent condition. I am guessing that we don't have too many freeze thaw cycles. It gets cold in the winter and stays cold and frozen for 5 months. I suppose like all construction it also depends on what you do with the runoff water, if you have good drainage you should have very little extra water under the concrete to cause problems.

rhyno · 09-27-2006, 09:12 AM

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A friend of mine made one out of 2x4's glued and screwed stacked on edge, basically making a butcher block type of top. I am considering trying that.

What happens when small objects get stuck between the 2x4's? They are not perfectly square on the edges. Wouldnt it be better to build a heavy duty frame and have a flat top board?

Garage looks great by the way.

**BrooklynBay** · 09-27-2006, 11:25 AM

With the cold weather slowly approaching up, you might want to install a heating system in there. Check my thread for some ideas: http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=148195

**BrooklynBay** · 10-09-2006, 11:47 PM

Do you have an update on the progress since last month (any new pictures)? How cold is it where you are? Most people where I live will start to run their boiler in a couple of weeks.

*Charlie's_93EB* · 10-10-2006, 11:11 PM

wow that looks good so far.

09-18-2006, 11:27 PM	#22
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KillerB74 Elite Explorer Saskatoon, Saskatchewan '92 XLT Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 80 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	After the window talk I have decided to upgrade the door with a row windows. You guys are correct, you can never have too much light. I am getting a full row of windows in one panel (6 windows). That adds about $500 to the price of the door . Oh well its only the banks money __________________ 1992 XLT, 5sp AAL, F-150 Spacers, custom built shackles, 3" Body Lift, Lock-Rite in front axle, 31x10.5 Cooper AT3's 2007 EB, 4.6L V8 K&N CAI with Amsoil filter, Flowmaster 70 Series, Steeda Under Drive Pulley, Henson Performance Tune

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09-26-2006, 04:38 PM	#32
rookieshooter Martinsburg WV 84 BII "Li'l Samson" Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,176 Vehicle Specs	Cut a door in that side of the house that faces the side of garage. Then a door in the garage directly in front of living room door. I assume it's your living room. Then it's only one step and your in your garage. Wife may not like it though. LOL Easy to get in garage on those super cold and snowy days. Then again that breezway might be drifted with snow. Brooklyn, that type construction seems to me is just your basic meat and potatoes garage. Only thing I question is the no footings. Seems thawing and freezing could cause that slab to crack. But there is a lot of re-bar in that slab. __________________ "2012 & 2011Truck Nationals" At Carlisle Extreme 4x4" First Place winner. "2012 &2011 All Ford Nationals" At Carlisle First place winner Bronco Trail Truck Featured in 2012 Bronco Driver Mag. Petersen's 4Wheel mag ROTM. Voted 2008 Bronco II of Year

09-26-2006, 08:51 PM	#34
BrooklynBay Aerostar Forum Moderator Brooklyn, NY 88 89 93 95 96 Aerostars Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 45,684 Vehicle Specs	Are you planning on putting in shelving, and work benches? Did you think about sky lights? You could get a lot of light without having windows on the ground level where people could look in. __________________ My list of useful threads. My photo gallery. My product reviews. My list of items for sale. Aerostar owners thread. Aerostar parts work in Explorers, Rangers, and Bronco II thread. History of the Aerostar thread. Aerostar Forum. New Members Forum. Ford/Lincoln/Mercury Forum.

09-27-2006, 11:25 AM	#38
BrooklynBay Aerostar Forum Moderator Brooklyn, NY 88 89 93 95 96 Aerostars Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 45,684 Vehicle Specs	With the cold weather slowly approaching up, you might want to install a heating system in there. Check my thread for some ideas: http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=148195 __________________ My list of useful threads. My photo gallery. My product reviews. My list of items for sale. Aerostar owners thread. Aerostar parts work in Explorers, Rangers, and Bronco II thread. History of the Aerostar thread. Aerostar Forum. New Members Forum. Ford/Lincoln/Mercury Forum.

10-09-2006, 11:47 PM	#39
BrooklynBay Aerostar Forum Moderator Brooklyn, NY 88 89 93 95 96 Aerostars Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 45,684 Vehicle Specs	Do you have an update on the progress since last month (any new pictures)? How cold is it where you are? Most people where I live will start to run their boiler in a couple of weeks. __________________ My list of useful threads. My photo gallery. My product reviews. My list of items for sale. Aerostar owners thread. Aerostar parts work in Explorers, Rangers, and Bronco II thread. History of the Aerostar thread. Aerostar Forum. New Members Forum. Ford/Lincoln/Mercury Forum.

10-10-2006, 11:11 PM	#40
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