colindo94 fullwidth swap

*mynameisaric* · 04-13-2007, 06:47 AM

quiet jealous i am. i'm still just working on getting axles i can commit to. springs and gears and such should be begining of next month for me. i'm anxious to see your truck start coming together.

too bad you dont live closer to the midwest. 97 v8 and i are going to try and get a run together when we finish our swaps.

colindo94 · 04-13-2007, 11:03 AM

Where do you guys plan on going. I'm getting really excited and also can't wait until it all starts coming together.

*mynameisaric* · 04-13-2007, 11:20 AM

badlands in attica, IN
probly sometime in August since 97 v8 isnt starting till june.

zainyD · 04-13-2007, 06:30 PM

Looking good. I'm running the same axle combo, full width HP D44 & 8.8. I just went with drum brakes on the 8.8, but I may be swapping it out for a 9" with discs.

colindo94 · 04-14-2007, 03:15 AM

Can you put disks on a full size 8.8 or can I only go with drums? I havn't even looked into it though.

lifeguard379 · 04-14-2007, 03:31 AM

i believe stic-o has disks on his 8.8

*JoshC* · 04-14-2007, 05:32 AM

Yep you can do disks on an 8.8.

colindo94 · 04-14-2007, 05:45 AM

What all is required to do the swap. I found kits, but the seem expensive and don't even have all the parts needed. Can't I do a swap a lot like the swap for the explorer 8.8?

*sn0border88* · 04-14-2007, 06:11 AM

you can use all the parts off a 95 or newer explorer with disks. I dont know if that will work on a fullsize but it should. 9" You can use just about anything

colindo94 · 04-15-2007, 12:25 AM

The only problem that I can see is that it's a different lug pattern.

**FROADER** · 04-15-2007, 12:31 AM

Read through stic-o's swap thread. He's got all the info for the FW 8.8 disc swap that he did.

**section525** · 04-15-2007, 12:33 AM

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=144541

It may not be in there though. You can never tell with Stic-o.

colindo94 · 04-15-2007, 11:11 PM

well after reading through stic-o's thread I have decided to just go with drums on the rear. Seems like a lot of work to just get rear disks. Kinda makes me wish I went with the 9" instead, but I already bought the gears and locker for the 8.8. O well. I figure the bigger brakes will do just fine, and I have never really had a hard time with drums. What do you all think?

lifeguard379 · 04-16-2007, 12:29 AM

sounds good. I'm going to be using drums.

*JoshC* · 04-16-2007, 06:20 AM

If you still wanted to go with a 9" i'm sure you could sell the gears and locker on here tomorrow seeing as they will work in an explorer's 8.8 also.

colindo94 · 04-16-2007, 12:37 PM

Yea I know I could, but that would just slow progress. Alright here comes some questions.
1. What radius arms would you suggest using?
2. What tires? I want 36's, they need to be road and offroad worthy, but more offroad. I just need to get to the weeling spots.
3. How do you decide were to set the rear spring perches?
4. If I decide to go with the duff or cage radius arms do I need to space the mounts away from the frame? And will I have to build a crossmember or will the arms be long enough to use the stock crossmember and mount the mounts past that?

I'm sure there are more questions I can ask, but these are the only ones I can think of roght now.

*mynameisaric* · 04-16-2007, 01:16 PM

You can get military surplus tires 36x12.50x16.50r for cheap on ebay. i have heard mixed reviews about on and offroad performance. from what i get, they do excelent in mud, but they are a stiffer tire and not as good on rocks as other tires. but everyone seems to agree you can't beat the price.

since your out in CA, you deal more with rocks than mud, so i think the good year MT/R is supposed to be awesome on the rocks and still have good driving characteristics.

zainyD · 04-16-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by colindo94

Yea I know I could, but that would just slow progress. Alright here comes some questions.
1. What radius arms would you suggest using?
2. What tires? I want 36's, they need to be road and offroad worthy, but more offroad. I just need to get to the weeling spots.
3. How do you decide were to set the rear spring perches?
4. If I decide to go with the duff or cage radius arms do I need to space the mounts away from the frame? And will I have to build a crossmember or will the arms be long enough to use the stock crossmember and mount the mounts past that?

I'm sure there are more questions I can ask, but these are the only ones I can think of roght now.

How much coin are you willing to spend? You can extend your stock radius arms for about $125 or go with something like Duff or Cage. I think my truck flexes pretty darn well with stock arms, but I'm going to be upgrading to extended arms soon.

I've got a wristed arm for sale $100 if you're interested.

Use your stock rear axle as a template for setting up the full width one. That's what I did and it worked pretty well.

I would go with 35's and if those don't fill your needs go with a 37" tire. MT/Rs seem to be pretty solid performers.

colindo94 · 04-16-2007, 06:04 PM

Lets see a pic of those arms, But I would like an extended arm.

zainyD · 04-16-2007, 07:23 PM

A pic of the wristed arm that I'm selling can be seen here:

http://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2/...ad.php?t=41078

Scroll down about halfway down the page and you'll see it. Pivot bolt is a grade 8 and the two smaller circles that you see on the flat piece of steal are plug welds for extra strength. Hope we can work something out.

I haven't extended my stock arms yet, but ld50 has done his arms as part of his SAS. Look at his SAS thread and you'll see some pics.

04-13-2007, 06:47 AM	#41
mynameisaric with an A Bolingbrook, IL 98 XLT Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,814 Vehicle Specs	quiet jealous i am. i'm still just working on getting axles i can commit to. springs and gears and such should be begining of next month for me. i'm anxious to see your truck start coming together. too bad you dont live closer to the midwest. 97 v8 and i are going to try and get a run together when we finish our swaps. __________________ -Driveway Ornament (aka 98 explorer) -05 F150 3V 5.4L Supercab

04-13-2007, 11:03 AM	#42
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Where do you guys plan on going. I'm getting really excited and also can't wait until it all starts coming together. __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-13-2007, 11:20 AM	#43
mynameisaric with an A Bolingbrook, IL 98 XLT Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,814 Vehicle Specs	badlands in attica, IN probly sometime in August since 97 v8 isnt starting till june. __________________ -Driveway Ornament (aka 98 explorer) -05 F150 3V 5.4L Supercab

04-13-2007, 06:30 PM	#44
zainyD Wannabe Elite Explorer Lakeland, FL '96 Ranger 4x4 XLT Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 577 Vehicle Specs	Looking good. I'm running the same axle combo, full width HP D44 & 8.8. I just went with drum brakes on the 8.8, but I may be swapping it out for a 9" with discs. __________________ '96 Ranger 4x4 XLT with some stuff....and more to come when I actually have some money

04-14-2007, 03:15 AM	#45
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Can you put disks on a full size 8.8 or can I only go with drums? I havn't even looked into it though. __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-14-2007, 03:31 AM	#46
lifeguard379 Wannabe Elite Explorer sacremento,ca 93 eddie bauer 2 door Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,211 Vehicle Specs	i believe stic-o has disks on his 8.8 __________________ 93 2 door eddy Bauer HP44 and Big bearing 9 and 4.88 My elite registry http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=153392 sas thread http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=165147 sas registry http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=244780

04-14-2007, 05:32 AM	#47
JoshC Only rolled it once honey Nitro, WV 97 4d OHV Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,525 Vehicle Specs	Yep you can do disks on an 8.8. __________________ Josh Cassell --- WV Air Force National Guard 97 SASed explorer---RIP 06 Jeep Commander V8 2012 Chevy HD Z71 w/ 285's (company owned, I wouldn't buy it!) 2008 Yamaha Rhino-rock crawler

04-14-2007, 05:45 AM	#48
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	What all is required to do the swap. I found kits, but the seem expensive and don't even have all the parts needed. Can't I do a swap a lot like the swap for the explorer 8.8? __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-14-2007, 06:11 AM	#49
sn0border88 Master Apprentice Souderton, PA 1992 XLT Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,342 Vehicle Specs	you can use all the parts off a 95 or newer explorer with disks. I dont know if that will work on a fullsize but it should. 9" You can use just about anything __________________ My Photos---Emily Rose---SAS Thread---My Mug 1992 4dr XLT. SAS'ed HPD44/9" 5.13's Locked F/R 36" SX 1999 4.0 5spd sport on 31" BFG Muds

04-15-2007, 12:25 AM	#50
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	The only problem that I can see is that it's a different lug pattern. __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-15-2007, 12:31 AM	#51
FROADER Moderator Huntington Beach, CA Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 20,044 Vehicle Specs	Read through stic-o's swap thread. He's got all the info for the FW 8.8 disc swap that he did. __________________ COLIN IGNACIO FORUM RULES My 2010 Explorer - Explorer #1 (sold) - Explorer #2 (sold) - My F-150 (sold) - My Ranger (sold) - My Videos

04-15-2007, 12:33 AM	#52
section525 sextion525 Red Bluff, Ca 1975 Ford Bronco 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 14,909 Vehicle Specs	http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=144541 It may not be in there though. You can never tell with Stic-o. __________________ Support the Forum '13 3.5 Explorer '08 2.0 Focus '75 5.0 Bronco '04 6.0 Super Duty

04-15-2007, 11:11 PM	#53
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	well after reading through stic-o's thread I have decided to just go with drums on the rear. Seems like a lot of work to just get rear disks. Kinda makes me wish I went with the 9" instead, but I already bought the gears and locker for the 8.8. O well. I figure the bigger brakes will do just fine, and I have never really had a hard time with drums. What do you all think? __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-16-2007, 12:29 AM	#54
lifeguard379 Wannabe Elite Explorer sacremento,ca 93 eddie bauer 2 door Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,211 Vehicle Specs	sounds good. I'm going to be using drums. __________________ 93 2 door eddy Bauer HP44 and Big bearing 9 and 4.88 My elite registry http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=153392 sas thread http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=165147 sas registry http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=244780

04-16-2007, 06:20 AM	#55
JoshC Only rolled it once honey Nitro, WV 97 4d OHV Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,525 Vehicle Specs	If you still wanted to go with a 9" i'm sure you could sell the gears and locker on here tomorrow seeing as they will work in an explorer's 8.8 also. __________________ Josh Cassell --- WV Air Force National Guard 97 SASed explorer---RIP 06 Jeep Commander V8 2012 Chevy HD Z71 w/ 285's (company owned, I wouldn't buy it!) 2008 Yamaha Rhino-rock crawler

04-16-2007, 12:37 PM	#56
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Yea I know I could, but that would just slow progress. Alright here comes some questions. 1. What radius arms would you suggest using? 2. What tires? I want 36's, they need to be road and offroad worthy, but more offroad. I just need to get to the weeling spots. 3. How do you decide were to set the rear spring perches? 4. If I decide to go with the duff or cage radius arms do I need to space the mounts away from the frame? And will I have to build a crossmember or will the arms be long enough to use the stock crossmember and mount the mounts past that? I'm sure there are more questions I can ask, but these are the only ones I can think of roght now. __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-16-2007, 01:16 PM	#57
mynameisaric with an A Bolingbrook, IL 98 XLT Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,814 Vehicle Specs	You can get military surplus tires 36x12.50x16.50r for cheap on ebay. i have heard mixed reviews about on and offroad performance. from what i get, they do excelent in mud, but they are a stiffer tire and not as good on rocks as other tires. but everyone seems to agree you can't beat the price. since your out in CA, you deal more with rocks than mud, so i think the good year MT/R is supposed to be awesome on the rocks and still have good driving characteristics. __________________ -Driveway Ornament (aka 98 explorer) -05 F150 3V 5.4L Supercab

04-16-2007, 06:04 PM	#59
colindo94 Wannabe Elite Explorer Cameron Park, CA 94' XLT Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Lets see a pic of those arms, But I would like an extended arm. __________________ Full width Dana 44/8.8, 36x12.5 TSL radials Ostman Bros. Fab Shop

04-16-2007, 07:23 PM	#60
zainyD Wannabe Elite Explorer Lakeland, FL '96 Ranger 4x4 XLT Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 577 Vehicle Specs	A pic of the wristed arm that I'm selling can be seen here: http://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2/...ad.php?t=41078 Scroll down about halfway down the page and you'll see it. Pivot bolt is a grade 8 and the two smaller circles that you see on the flat piece of steal are plug welds for extra strength. Hope we can work something out. I haven't extended my stock arms yet, but ld50 has done his arms as part of his SAS. Look at his SAS thread and you'll see some pics. __________________ '96 Ranger 4x4 XLT with some stuff....and more to come when I actually have some money