Trying to get it right-

**Turdle** · 10-20-2007, 04:37 PM

Fired her up at 3:30 my time today-and it started right up like nothing happened-

Now I'm charging the battery a bit-and I'll adjust the idle and TPS, flush the cooling system, change the oil last. I always change the oil after doing any work like this.
All that is left after that is the fan and shroud Then to the car wash for a scrub down.

I got's 3/4 tank of gas-and an urge to cruise-

**Turdle** · 10-20-2007, 07:44 PM

Dangit-
She won't hold a good idle, it's almost like the IAC is surging--grrr.
Back to it in the AM--

*CDW6212R* · 10-20-2007, 08:33 PM

Yes delays, one step at a time. Call me, what's going on?

*techieman33* · 10-21-2007, 01:30 PM

Is it up and running yet?

**Turdle** · 10-21-2007, 02:39 PM

<<<tail between legs

Haha--my maf wasn't connected to the Maf tuner (signal raper) harness--

After running it over and over saying "c'mon baby give me a code!" --nothing-
no code whatsoever-friggin mafs ---they can really mess with your head-

I was so intent on looking at the 02 sensor data-that I completely forgot about a series of green lights on the black box which are supposed to illuminate when the key is switched on. I knew something wasn't quite right, but it took awhile-
the black box was dead. Might help if it was plugged in--

Anyhow--
now I'm going off for a cruise. I need to hit the carwash BAD!

*CDW6212R* · 10-21-2007, 02:46 PM

Well you fixed it without too much trouble or cost, that's most important.

*techieman33* · 10-21-2007, 02:51 PM

LOL, I forgot to plug my MAF in last time I had the CAI out, back when I was trying to find my 20mph issue. It took me probably an hour to figure out what it wouldn't idle.

**MountaineerGreen** · 10-21-2007, 02:53 PM

Be nice to that rear end

**Turdle** · 10-21-2007, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MountaineerGreen

Be nice to that rear end

Umm-you aren't kidding!

Oh Man! You guys--I don't know what I did-but either the re-adjustment of the valves-or the new air intake-or the fact that I changed the eccentric action of the throttle, and can now actually get a WOT but MAN!!
Wow!
I mean WOW-this thing is running really good right now-and the throttle response is way better than it ever was-

Vacuum gauge reads 16hg at 957 RPM idle-not too shabby

Now That it is verified to be running right, it's time to switch the MAF over to the lightning MAF and tune it up--

I can't wait too long on this.As I suspected I would,I'm getting a ping at WOT, which means the PCM isn't commanding-or cannot command enough fuel delivery.

The stock tune might be able to correct for this-but it would take it several "learning" attempts-which would surely mean curtains for my pistons at these levels.

I'll need to keep my foot out of it for now.

**MountaineerGreen** · 10-21-2007, 04:29 PM

Well, keep going- get this all figured out. That way when I rebuild mine, it will be a matter of just buying the right parts

reserved50 · 10-21-2007, 05:44 PM

mines runs over 10-1 rich at WOT on stock tune when I floored it to run 0-60, it never pinged with 87 octane and ran 5.1 sec in the rain

, I thought mine would of ran lean/stoich and pinged for sure

*CDW6212R* · 10-22-2007, 06:13 PM

Excellent Jon, explain the tuning at home as you go. James made it sound very reasonable to do yourself. I need to hunt for a laptop soon myself.

**Turdle** · 10-23-2007, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDW6212R

Excellent Jon, explain the tuning at home as you go. James made it sound very reasonable to do yourself. I need to hunt for a laptop soon myself.

Ok
The shakedown runs have been completed-
A good baseline burnout-then the next step

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...=192415&page=4

**Turdle** · 10-27-2007, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtsmith

Ok
The shakedown runs have been completed-
A good baseline burnout-then the next step

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...=192415&page=4

This seems to be turning into a joke at my expense.
I try real hard-and to be honest this stuff is very difficult for me.

friggin coolant leak!!! Up in the oil cooler area-
Need to pull the fan and shroud to even have a chance of seeing it.
Oil cooler? Water pump? timing cover? intake gasket? heck I don't know.

Now--I could have lied and said all is good-don't laugh at me please. Laugh with me if I can.

The leak was small-replacing the lower hose seemed to fix it-but it has grown.At first it was dripping down the hose. I'm hoping the down time corroded the oil cooler--that would be easier to deal with than a new lower intake gasket--
But I did have oil pump lube in the coolant--maybe not enough?
grrr.

*rocket 5979* · 10-27-2007, 01:14 PM

Jon, I suggest checking your coolant rail on the top passenger side of the engine. It could be the two nipples there or maybe even the threads itself that goes into the lower mani.

**Turdle** · 10-27-2007, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocket 5979

Jon, I suggest checking your coolant rail on the top passenger side of the engine. It could be the two nipples there or maybe even the threads itself that goes into the lower mani.

Thanks Rob!

This one isn't good--

The leak sprays onto the oil cooler-from right above----ummmm

How did I blow a head gasket just like that?
I need to remove the driver side accessory bracket to see for sure-It "could" be the water pump housing gasket, or, maybe the lower intake but it looks to be sparaying from a lower position--

this may be a bit--I have head studs. Anyone know what that means?

To top it off-
Our oldest child ( my stepdaughter) is due to have a baby any day-in fact Thursday they induce if she doesn't. She just called to say her stomach is moving funny--

I could really use a beer right now.

*techieman33* · 10-27-2007, 01:59 PM

You just can't catch a break can you? I'm sorry I can't offer any mechanical advice, but unfortunately all I can do is wish you the best of luck

**Turdle** · 10-27-2007, 02:25 PM

Ok
I have the ac-power steering bracket away from the head-and can see a puddle of coolant. There is a small valley about 1 inch to the right of the cam position sensor-right at the head to intake surface-
the water pump housing is there also-

I must assume at this point I messed up the silicone on the front seal of the lower intake. I can see it squished out real good all along the edge-but cannot see under the lip surrounding the Cam sensor-which is right above the puddle.
The head to block area looks good --I hope--

Problem is-with the accessory bracket removed from the head,a pressure test wouldn't work.one of the bolt holes is in the coolant.
I need the bracket away so I can see that spot.

**Turdle** · 10-27-2007, 03:34 PM

OK-
I was out in the driveway fighting this-getting ready to tear it down.
From the neighbor's garage across the alley-I hear my name a few times, along with "still leaking, and water dripping"
hmmm-somethings up.

My neighbor comes over--"what you doin' to it now?"

I tell him of my plight-he chuckles a bit-
"check your water pump bolts"

You son of a bitch!!!

You see, we have access to each others stuff--he's a biker-truck driver with roommates, and we share tool resources sometimes.

"We were going to let you go another hour-but I couldn't stand it--"
He said.

The far right water pump stud was the leaker-
I pulled them one by one and added new thread sealer-all seems tight now.

Except for one thing--
I need payback ideas-----like I said-I have access to their garage----

**MountaineerGreen** · 10-27-2007, 03:58 PM

Oh wow, that's just mean-

Do they have a bathroom in the garage?

10-20-2007, 04:37 PM	#241
Turdle Old and in the way Humboldt, Kansas 2000 Mounty Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 23,743 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Fired her up at 3:30 my time today-and it started right up like nothing happened- Now I'm charging the battery a bit-and I'll adjust the idle and TPS, flush the cooling system, change the oil last. I always change the oil after doing any work like this. All that is left after that is the fan and shroud Then to the car wash for a scrub down. I got's 3/4 tank of gas-and an urge to cruise- __________________ Jon 2000 Mountaineer Turdle-gone Vitamin D Wagon Sold also

10-20-2007, 07:44 PM	#242
Turdle Old and in the way Humboldt, Kansas 2000 Mounty Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 23,743 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Dangit- She won't hold a good idle, it's almost like the IAC is surging--grrr. Back to it in the AM-- __________________ Jon 2000 Mountaineer Turdle-gone Vitamin D Wagon Sold also

10-20-2007, 08:33 PM	#243
CDW6212R Elite Explorer Knoxville, TN 98 Mountaineer A4WD Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 12,942 Vehicle Specs	Yes delays, one step at a time. Call me, what's going on? __________________ Don 91 Lincoln LSC/SE, 99/93 Explorer Limited 4WD, 98 AWD Mounty with 255/55/18's, big sway bars, and 12.75" x 1.25" rotors. Soon a BW4406, built trans, stereo and interior. The best thing that could help us all, is the Fair Tax Plan. Be American, Buy American (Manufacturer)

10-21-2007, 02:39 PM	#245
Turdle Old and in the way Humboldt, Kansas 2000 Mounty Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 23,743 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	<<<tail between legs Haha--my maf wasn't connected to the Maf tuner (signal raper) harness-- After running it over and over saying "c'mon baby give me a code!" --nothing- no code whatsoever-friggin mafs ---they can really mess with your head- I was so intent on looking at the 02 sensor data-that I completely forgot about a series of green lights on the black box which are supposed to illuminate when the key is switched on. I knew something wasn't quite right, but it took awhile- the black box was dead. Might help if it was plugged in-- Anyhow-- now I'm going off for a cruise. I need to hit the carwash BAD! __________________ Jon 2000 Mountaineer Turdle-gone Vitamin D Wagon Sold also

10-21-2007, 02:46 PM	#246
CDW6212R Elite Explorer Knoxville, TN 98 Mountaineer A4WD Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 12,942 Vehicle Specs	Well you fixed it without too much trouble or cost, that's most important. __________________ Don 91 Lincoln LSC/SE, 99/93 Explorer Limited 4WD, 98 AWD Mounty with 255/55/18's, big sway bars, and 12.75" x 1.25" rotors. Soon a BW4406, built trans, stereo and interior. The best thing that could help us all, is the Fair Tax Plan. Be American, Buy American (Manufacturer)

10-21-2007, 01:30 PM	#244
techieman33 Elite Explorer Topeka, KS 00 V8 Mountaineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,222 Vehicle Specs	Is it up and running yet?

10-21-2007, 02:51 PM	#247
techieman33 Elite Explorer Topeka, KS 00 V8 Mountaineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,222 Vehicle Specs	LOL, I forgot to plug my MAF in last time I had the CAI out, back when I was trying to find my 20mph issue. It took me probably an hour to figure out what it wouldn't idle.

10-21-2007, 02:53 PM	#248
MountaineerGreen Towing Moderator North East Arkansas 2012 F150 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7,589 Vehicle Specs	Be nice to that rear end __________________ -Evan Febuary 09 Feature Truck - Elite Registry - Photo Gallery - Feedback - Go Elite! - My Write Ups - EF Vendors

10-21-2007, 04:29 PM	#250
MountaineerGreen Towing Moderator North East Arkansas 2012 F150 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7,589 Vehicle Specs	Well, keep going- get this all figured out. That way when I rebuild mine, it will be a matter of just buying the right parts __________________ -Evan Febuary 09 Feature Truck - Elite Registry - Photo Gallery - Feedback - Go Elite! - My Write Ups - EF Vendors

10-21-2007, 05:44 PM	#251
reserved50 Wannabe Elite Explorer mooo 1997 XLT SC'd 5.0/331 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 654 Vehicle Specs	mines runs over 10-1 rich at WOT on stock tune when I floored it to run 0-60, it never pinged with 87 octane and ran 5.1 sec in the rain , I thought mine would of ran lean/stoich and pinged for sure

10-22-2007, 06:13 PM	#252
CDW6212R Elite Explorer Knoxville, TN 98 Mountaineer A4WD Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 12,942 Vehicle Specs	Excellent Jon, explain the tuning at home as you go. James made it sound very reasonable to do yourself. I need to hunt for a laptop soon myself. __________________ Don 91 Lincoln LSC/SE, 99/93 Explorer Limited 4WD, 98 AWD Mounty with 255/55/18's, big sway bars, and 12.75" x 1.25" rotors. Soon a BW4406, built trans, stereo and interior. The best thing that could help us all, is the Fair Tax Plan. Be American, Buy American (Manufacturer)

10-27-2007, 01:14 PM	#255
rocket 5979 Resident Gearhead Lake Villa, Illinois '03 XLT 4.6 Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 4,017 Vehicle Specs	Jon, I suggest checking your coolant rail on the top passenger side of the engine. It could be the two nipples there or maybe even the threads itself that goes into the lower mani. __________________ 2003 4.6 V8 XLT Black Explorer, Kenne Bell 2.2 Supercharger, VT Billet bottom end, MPH 2.5 Heads, Blower cams, A1000 custom fuel system, and on and on... 2009 6.6 V8 Pontiac G8 GT, Twin Turbo, 402ci, Turbocam, Circle D Built 6L80E, Circle D 3000 Stall, new fuel system on its way...Shooting for 750+rwhp and easy middle 10's. 2002 4.0 V6 Explorer Sport, CAI, Gibson Exhaust... 2005 3.9 V8 Lincoln LS, KBX Performance Garrett Turbo System...Sold...

10-27-2007, 01:59 PM	#257
techieman33 Elite Explorer Topeka, KS 00 V8 Mountaineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,222 Vehicle Specs	You just can't catch a break can you? I'm sorry I can't offer any mechanical advice, but unfortunately all I can do is wish you the best of luck

10-27-2007, 02:25 PM	#258
Turdle Old and in the way Humboldt, Kansas 2000 Mounty Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 23,743 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Ok I have the ac-power steering bracket away from the head-and can see a puddle of coolant. There is a small valley about 1 inch to the right of the cam position sensor-right at the head to intake surface- the water pump housing is there also- I must assume at this point I messed up the silicone on the front seal of the lower intake. I can see it squished out real good all along the edge-but cannot see under the lip surrounding the Cam sensor-which is right above the puddle. The head to block area looks good --I hope-- Problem is-with the accessory bracket removed from the head,a pressure test wouldn't work.one of the bolt holes is in the coolant. I need the bracket away so I can see that spot. __________________ Jon 2000 Mountaineer Turdle-gone Vitamin D Wagon Sold also

10-27-2007, 03:34 PM	#259
Turdle Old and in the way Humboldt, Kansas 2000 Mounty Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 23,743 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	You know this means WAR!! OK- I was out in the driveway fighting this-getting ready to tear it down. From the neighbor's garage across the alley-I hear my name a few times, along with "still leaking, and water dripping" hmmm-somethings up. My neighbor comes over--"what you doin' to it now?" I tell him of my plight-he chuckles a bit- "check your water pump bolts" You son of a bitch!!! You see, we have access to each others stuff--he's a biker-truck driver with roommates, and we share tool resources sometimes. "We were going to let you go another hour-but I couldn't stand it--" He said. The far right water pump stud was the leaker- I pulled them one by one and added new thread sealer-all seems tight now. Except for one thing-- I need payback ideas-----like I said-I have access to their garage---- __________________ Jon 2000 Mountaineer Turdle-gone Vitamin D Wagon Sold also

10-27-2007, 03:58 PM	#260
MountaineerGreen Towing Moderator North East Arkansas 2012 F150 4x4 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7,589 Vehicle Specs	Oh wow, that's just mean- Do they have a bathroom in the garage? __________________ -Evan Febuary 09 Feature Truck - Elite Registry - Photo Gallery - Feedback - Go Elite! - My Write Ups - EF Vendors