Trac won't start, but cranks

daweasel · 09-01-2008, 11:02 AM

I took out the crankshaft position sensor and it is chewed up. Got a nasty groove from the pulley. What in the heck would cause this and any help would be great. The new sensor seems like it don't wanna go in there.

daweasel · 09-01-2008, 11:56 AM

I just removed the crankshaft position sensor and it had a groove chewed into it from the teeth on the pulley. What would have caused it? The new sensor will not fit. truck has been acting funny for some time now know why.

thanx

daweasel · 09-01-2008, 02:18 PM

I just pulled the sensor out of the truck and it has a 3/8 in. groove in it from the pulley. It went into the guts of the sensor. The new sensor seems to not want to go in. I had to dang near pry the old sensor out. Anyone have any experience dealing with these?

FineLineMtrsprts · 09-01-2008, 08:48 PM

I have never seen this. You may have some major damage on your hands.

mott · 10-26-2008, 07:11 PM

I have the same probblem My Truck did not act funny just stoped running. Sounded like it was out of gas. went to the gas station put in gas went to the bank. Truck died again and never started back up. Thisd was about 10 blocks. My son towed it to his garage. where he determined it was the cam shaft sencor. He removed it today and it looks the same as what you described. 3/8 in grove from the pully. Can't get the new sensor in. If you have found an answer please let me know. conwrl@hotmail.com

mott · 10-26-2008, 09:22 PM

I just had the supentine belt replaced on my sports track last week do you thonk that may have caused it. Did you have anything similar?

Bionic4.0 · 10-27-2008, 08:40 AM

i actually have this prob on my hand right now. the harmonic balancer is coming apart and has eaten in to the cps and is causing erratic ignition. new balancer cost 135 and the sensor was 45 new belt was 30 and about an 1hour to replace. ok maybe 2 or 3 with curse out brakes.

Bionic4.0 · 10-27-2008, 08:42 AM

a side note when the cps shorts out it is putting the motor out of timing and causing it to sound like it is running out of fuel.

Project_Sparta · 10-30-2008, 11:26 AM

i dont know if this is the same with STs, but with eclipses many people take out the harmonic balancer totally, and replace it with a kit. Just wondering if anyone here knows if it is possible with the ST.

celtic1mike · 01-23-2010, 01:14 PM

Harmonic Balancer went bad May 2009, just under 19,000 miles on my 2004 ST! Left my family and I stranded on I-95 in Philadelphia. Ford has sold a lot of replacements but won't issue recall or TSB. The serpentine jumped off the balancer pully and landed on the rubber mount of the balancer then ate through the sensor.

Jan 21, 2010:
Started up the ST, no problem. Drove one block, stopped at stop sign. Made right turn and acceclerated, then the ST died; 22,000 miles. Just before it lost all power in the engine, I heard what sounded like a turbine quickly decelerating. Now I turn the key, hear the starter clicking, and nothing happens with the engine. Towed to FORD dealership.

FORD service dept. rep called me late yesterday and said it may be attributed to poor installation of harmonic balancer, possibly not torqued correctly; sounded like pasing the buck. He needed permission to pull the front of the engine apart to look inside, I gave him a green light to do so.

He just called today and said the "key way and sprocket" are bad. He said they come in a kit with a new timing chain; parts and labor after a freindly discount: $925. The truck is already there and apart, so I gave them the go ahead to fix it. Normal price would have been about $1100. Sucks to be me!

Strange, they have a "repair kit" to fix this partiular issue, but FORD says there is no problem with the engine! Harmonic balancer goes bad, fix it with new and improved one. Then this happens, fix it with new and improved parts from a "repair kit"! There are no known problems with this engine....more BS from FORD!

Time to call FORD customer service I suppose.

daweasel · 01-24-2010, 07:53 AM

I had to replace my harmonic balancer which I did my self with napa auto parts balancer, saved alot of money but not easy. almost sounds identical to what happened to me. pully came apart from rubber and rubber ate through sensor. That has been a while, now I must say that I do love the truck except now the transmission needs to be rebuilt. So many problems, so little money. I have fixed everything myself until this. I am being told that it will be about 2,000 dollars. Looks like all the money I saved will now go to the truck anyway.

celtic1mike · 01-25-2010, 08:02 PM

Ford called me today and said now they discovered the #1 and #5 cylinders are bent. They'll need to pull the engine to get a better idea of how much damage there is. Possibly need a rebuild, or remanufactured engine: *22,000* miles! I told them to hold off until they can give me some written estimates.

Does anyone like the idea of "Class Action Lawsuit"? The more research I do on this engine, the more catastrophic failures I discover.

09-01-2008, 11:56 AM	#2
daweasel Wannabe Elite Explorer newark, de 2004 trac xlt Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Help if can... I just removed the crankshaft position sensor and it had a groove chewed into it from the teeth on the pulley. What would have caused it? The new sensor will not fit. truck has been acting funny for some time now know why. thanx

09-01-2008, 02:18 PM	#3
daweasel Wannabe Elite Explorer newark, de 2004 trac xlt Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	cranshaft pos. sensor I just pulled the sensor out of the truck and it has a 3/8 in. groove in it from the pulley. It went into the guts of the sensor. The new sensor seems to not want to go in. I had to dang near pry the old sensor out. Anyone have any experience dealing with these?

09-01-2008, 08:48 PM	#4
FineLineMtrsprts Wannabe Elite Explorer Bunker Hill, Wv although Chicago native Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17 Vehicle Specs	I have never seen this. You may have some major damage on your hands. __________________ 1995 Jeep cherokee sport 2dr. 5spd 3.5in lift with 2in spacer rockin 33x10.50 swamper...for sale...maybe 1993 LX 5.0..Project os not FS/FT Its all fun and games till someone gets their Junk stuck in meat grinder.

10-27-2008, 08:40 AM	#7
Bionic4.0 Wannabe Elite Explorer bville fl '92 XLT Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 132 Vehicle Specs	i actually have this prob on my hand right now. the harmonic balancer is coming apart and has eaten in to the cps and is causing erratic ignition. new balancer cost 135 and the sensor was 45 new belt was 30 and about an 1hour to replace. ok maybe 2 or 3 with curse out brakes. __________________ 2004 explorer sport trac on 22's 1994 svt lightning 1995 lincoln towncar

10-27-2008, 08:42 AM	#8
Bionic4.0 Wannabe Elite Explorer bville fl '92 XLT Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 132 Vehicle Specs	a side note when the cps shorts out it is putting the motor out of timing and causing it to sound like it is running out of fuel. __________________ 2004 explorer sport trac on 22's 1994 svt lightning 1995 lincoln towncar

09-01-2008, 11:02 AM	#1
daweasel Wannabe Elite Explorer newark, de 2004 trac xlt Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Trac won't start, but cranks I took out the crankshaft position sensor and it is chewed up. Got a nasty groove from the pulley. What in the heck would cause this and any help would be great. The new sensor seems like it don't wanna go in there.

10-26-2008, 07:11 PM	#5
mott Wannabe Elite Explorer 2004 sportstrac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3 Vehicle Specs	I have the same probblem My Truck did not act funny just stoped running. Sounded like it was out of gas. went to the gas station put in gas went to the bank. Truck died again and never started back up. Thisd was about 10 blocks. My son towed it to his garage. where he determined it was the cam shaft sencor. He removed it today and it looks the same as what you described. 3/8 in grove from the pully. Can't get the new sensor in. If you have found an answer please let me know. conwrl@hotmail.com

10-26-2008, 09:22 PM	#6
mott Wannabe Elite Explorer 2004 sportstrac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3 Vehicle Specs	I just had the supentine belt replaced on my sports track last week do you thonk that may have caused it. Did you have anything similar?

10-30-2008, 11:26 AM	#9
Project_Sparta Wannabe Elite Explorer French Lick IN 2002 Sport Trac 4X4 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 239 Vehicle Specs	i dont know if this is the same with STs, but with eclipses many people take out the harmonic balancer totally, and replace it with a kit. Just wondering if anyone here knows if it is possible with the ST. __________________ PJ: Dude you need to trade your truck in for a car, better gas mileage, and lower your payments, like I did. Me: Yea, I know, BUT you will be calling me this winter when your car gets stuck. PJ: LOL oh yea...... I LOVE MY SPORT TRAC

01-23-2010, 01:14 PM	#10
celtic1mike Wannabe Elite Explorer NJ 2004 Sport Trac XLT Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3 Vehicle Specs	Harmonic Balancer went bad May 2009, just under 19,000 miles on my 2004 ST! Left my family and I stranded on I-95 in Philadelphia. Ford has sold a lot of replacements but won't issue recall or TSB. The serpentine jumped off the balancer pully and landed on the rubber mount of the balancer then ate through the sensor. Jan 21, 2010: Started up the ST, no problem. Drove one block, stopped at stop sign. Made right turn and acceclerated, then the ST died; 22,000 miles. Just before it lost all power in the engine, I heard what sounded like a turbine quickly decelerating. Now I turn the key, hear the starter clicking, and nothing happens with the engine. Towed to FORD dealership. FORD service dept. rep called me late yesterday and said it may be attributed to poor installation of harmonic balancer, possibly not torqued correctly; sounded like pasing the buck. He needed permission to pull the front of the engine apart to look inside, I gave him a green light to do so. He just called today and said the "key way and sprocket" are bad. He said they come in a kit with a new timing chain; parts and labor after a freindly discount: $925. The truck is already there and apart, so I gave them the go ahead to fix it. Normal price would have been about $1100. Sucks to be me! Strange, they have a "repair kit" to fix this partiular issue, but FORD says there is no problem with the engine! Harmonic balancer goes bad, fix it with new and improved one. Then this happens, fix it with new and improved parts from a "repair kit"! There are no known problems with this engine....more BS from FORD! Time to call FORD customer service I suppose.

01-24-2010, 07:53 AM	#11
daweasel Wannabe Elite Explorer newark, de 2004 trac xlt Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	good luck I had to replace my harmonic balancer which I did my self with napa auto parts balancer, saved alot of money but not easy. almost sounds identical to what happened to me. pully came apart from rubber and rubber ate through sensor. That has been a while, now I must say that I do love the truck except now the transmission needs to be rebuilt. So many problems, so little money. I have fixed everything myself until this. I am being told that it will be about 2,000 dollars. Looks like all the money I saved will now go to the truck anyway.

01-25-2010, 08:02 PM	#12
celtic1mike Wannabe Elite Explorer NJ 2004 Sport Trac XLT Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3 Vehicle Specs	Ford called me today and said now they discovered the #1 and #5 cylinders are bent. They'll need to pull the engine to get a better idea of how much damage there is. Possibly need a rebuild, or remanufactured engine: 22,000 miles! I told them to hold off until they can give me some written estimates. Does anyone like the idea of "Class Action Lawsuit"? The more research I do on this engine, the more catastrophic failures I discover.