My 5.4L 3v Adrenalin engine swap

gbb · 05-01-2009, 08:03 AM

Are the cylinder walls good enough for an overbore? Maybe a set of forged pistons are in your future.

chriswells78 · 05-01-2009, 09:00 AM

subscribing

*stylin99* · 05-01-2009, 09:57 AM

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*Limited02* · 05-01-2009, 12:44 PM

Subscribing to see, but I still think the 4.6 would have been better. H/C/I/tune and mild stall converter on the 4.6 would have you putting a solid 350HP at the tire N/A. You could be running in the 13's easy. If you had a 4.0 V6, then I could understand the swap better. I just feel too many people discredit the 4.6.

Good luck and I hope it works out. I'll be looking forward to the burnout pics

gbb · 05-01-2009, 02:22 PM

IMHO, there is no substitute for cubic inches. More = better.

*stylin99* · 05-01-2009, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited02

Subscribing to see, but I still think the 4.6 would have been better. H/C/I/tune and mild stall converter on the 4.6 would have you putting a solid 350HP at the tire N/A. You could be running in the 13's easy. If you had a 4.0 V6, then I could understand the swap better. I just feel too many people discredit the 4.6.

Good luck and I hope it works out. I'll be looking forward to the burnout pics

H/C/I on a 4.6 3v is a big expensive upgrade. Heads alone are over $2000. That concept works great on the old 5.0's and the 4.6 2v but dollar for dollar, its more expensive.

People always concentrate on the HP numbers and overlook good ole fashioned Torque from a bigger displacement engine. This will be similar to how the Lightnings make power, with bigger torque numbers than horsepower. My 02 Lightning with a few upgrades, made 400 rwhp and 500 rwtq. That's with a stock 2v motor, stock cams. The 3v head will outflow those numbers, and should make even bigger numbers with similar upgrades.

Going with a 4.6 sure would be easier, but it wouldn't make the truck the baddest mofo around. LOL I'm going for the Bad Mofo Effect (BME we'll call it).

Sticking to my guns... 5.4 3v motor with a twin screw and a cam change. Just got to re-route my plan for achieving it now.

Keeping the intake height under the stock hood will be the biggest challenge I think.

*Limited02* · 05-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Because you mention that you are are going to due a full bottom end(forged?) with a kenne bell, the tranny and drivetrain will be holding on by a thread. I know you have given this a lot of thought, but it will not be any cheaper than working the 4.6 over. I am not sure what your goals are, but it seems you want to not only pull the mustang to the track, you want to beat it down the quarter as well

If and when you get it finished, it will be a beast for sure. Good luck!

slyfoxexplore · 05-01-2009, 06:19 PM

haha just go old school 5.0 it will solve all your problems. less money, more parts available, and some really good tyranny's available and the uniqueness. But I know its to different. But in the real world i would just go with the low end torque of the 5.4. And towing the stang your going to need that low end torque more than anything.

maxim612 · 05-12-2009, 02:55 PM

following up

good work

*stylin99* · 08-20-2009, 07:01 PM

I thought I'd share some updates to my 5.4L Adrenalin project. I've been slowly collecting parts and doing my research.

I bought a brand new Ford Racing 5.4 block as a foundation. Just need to stuff it with forged Manley pistons and rods coming soon.

The heads were damaged on my F150 donor engine, so I'm sending them off to Fox Lake Racing for a full port job. I've worked with Fox Lake in the past and they do some seriously quality work on heads. I had planned to keep stock heads, but I might as well spend the money now and get it done right.

Picked me up some stage 2 Comp Cams and new stronger valve springs.

Painted my spare valve covers, with hi-temp engine paint and cleared them.

Waiting on the wallet to recover before I can purchase the rest. Then it's assembly time!! The real piece of art will be the hardest on the ole wallet…. The 2.3 Whipple that's going to be sitting on top. Shootin' for 550-600 at the tires!!

I'm so pumped about this project, I can't sleep without crunching compression ratios and piston-to-wall clearances in my head.

*Joe Dirt* · 08-20-2009, 09:12 PM

Fricken sweet...

FordBlueNJ · 08-21-2009, 07:30 AM

don't know if this will help any or not, but here it goes....

On the pics of the original 5.4 you picked up. I noticed the coil packs. I had that same engine in my old 02 F-150.... One of the lobes on the coil packs cracked over time and vibrated the spark plug out of the head.... Ended up causing all sorts of damage to the head. Couldn't be helicoiled. Had to get a new head installed on it.

That's just an FYI/Heads up. Something to keep your eye on... I noticed ford changed the design on the coil packs on my 06 F250 with the 5.4.

Great Build and good luck with it....

Oh and is that chevy red you painted those valve covers...

*stylin99* · 08-21-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordBlueNJ

Oh and is that chevy red you painted those valve covers...

Nope.... They're Ford Sport Trac Adrenalin Red.

My ST is red.

FordBlueNJ · 08-21-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylin99

Nope.... They're Ford Sport Trac Adrenalin Red.

My ST is red.

Yeah... I saw that in the pic... I was just bustin stones...

*dkchrist* · 08-21-2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbb

IMHO, there is no substitute for cubic inches. More = better.

As the saying goes:

There's no replacement for displacement.

Sweet project! Interested to see how all that stuff fits under the hood.

CODell85GT · 08-31-2009, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordBlueNJ

Oh and is that chevy red you painted those valve covers...

Sorry! I was thinking the same thing.

Nice build! Looking forward to seeing it come together.

Charlie

04mach1 · 10-15-2009, 08:55 AM

Any news on the swap.

*stylin99* · 10-15-2009, 10:07 AM

Yep. The 3v CP Pistons arrived. 8.3cc dish. They are a work of art.

Still waiting on funds to allow the rest of the engine build to happen. Wallet got drained when the tranny went out in the Mustang. Doh!

And I went ahead and put on the painted valve covers to keep me happy in the mean time. See other thread here for the photos.

04mach1 · 10-15-2009, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylin99

Yep. The 3v CP Pistons arrived. 8.3cc dish. They are a work of art.

Still waiting on funds to allow the rest of the engine build to happen. Wallet got drained when the tranny went out in the Mustang. Doh!

And I went ahead and put on the painted valve covers to keep me happy in the mean time. See other thread here for the photos.

What tranny do you have in the stang?

*stylin99* · 10-15-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04mach1

What tranny do you have in the stang?

It's the original T45. But 3rd gear is almost gone. I think it's a bad shift fork.

I'm swapping in a T56 6spd from a Cobra. Still have to find a crossmember, shifter, etc.

05-01-2009, 08:03 AM	#41
gbb Wannabe Elite Explorer Texas 2008 Sport Trac Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 39 Vehicle Specs	Ouch Are the cylinder walls good enough for an overbore? Maybe a set of forged pistons are in your future.

05-01-2009, 09:00 AM	#42
chriswells78 Wannabe Elite Explorer Powell(Columbus), OH 96 XLT 5.0 4x4 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,558 Vehicle Specs	subscribing __________________ 1996 Ford Explorer 5.0 4x4... Too many engine mods to list in 6 lines 1999 Mustang GT 2002 Lincoln LSV8

05-01-2009, 09:57 AM	#43
stylin99 Elite Explorer Gastonia, NC '08 5.0 Coyote Adrenalin Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 179 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	. __________________ '08 Adrenalin, red 5.0L Coyote engine swap with manual 6spd trans '99 Mustang GT, Supercharged w/nitrous, 829 rwhp Last edited by stylin99; 08-20-2009 at 07:05 PM.

05-01-2009, 12:44 PM	#44
Limited02 Wanna Race? Gardner, KS '02 Limited V8 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,091 Vehicle Specs	Subscribing to see, but I still think the 4.6 would have been better. H/C/I/tune and mild stall converter on the 4.6 would have you putting a solid 350HP at the tire N/A. You could be running in the 13's easy. If you had a 4.0 V6, then I could understand the swap better. I just feel too many people discredit the 4.6. Good luck and I hope it works out. I'll be looking forward to the burnout pics __________________ "Spending money I don't have, on parts I don't need, to impress people I don't know" 2002 4.6 4x4, K&N CAI, Henson tuned, FM70 and 20" Boss 306's My Built-in Cabinet EXPLORER FORUM LICENSE PLATE FRAMES!!!

05-01-2009, 03:30 PM	#47
Limited02 Wanna Race? Gardner, KS '02 Limited V8 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,091 Vehicle Specs	Because you mention that you are are going to due a full bottom end(forged?) with a kenne bell, the tranny and drivetrain will be holding on by a thread. I know you have given this a lot of thought, but it will not be any cheaper than working the 4.6 over. I am not sure what your goals are, but it seems you want to not only pull the mustang to the track, you want to beat it down the quarter as well If and when you get it finished, it will be a beast for sure. Good luck! __________________ "Spending money I don't have, on parts I don't need, to impress people I don't know" 2002 4.6 4x4, K&N CAI, Henson tuned, FM70 and 20" Boss 306's My Built-in Cabinet EXPLORER FORUM LICENSE PLATE FRAMES!!!

05-01-2009, 02:22 PM	#45
gbb Wannabe Elite Explorer Texas 2008 Sport Trac Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 39 Vehicle Specs	IMHO, there is no substitute for cubic inches. More = better.

05-01-2009, 06:19 PM	#48
slyfoxexplore Wannabe Elite Explorer cheyenne wy 1996 xlt 5.0 awd Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 196 Vehicle Specs	haha just go old school 5.0 it will solve all your problems. less money, more parts available, and some really good tyranny's available and the uniqueness. But I know its to different. But in the real world i would just go with the low end torque of the 5.4. And towing the stang your going to need that low end torque more than anything. __________________ 5.0 costom 3 inch dual exhaust torque monster headers,AIRaid intake,smoked alteza tail lights.and pro charger soon NEW BODY WORK (from your local cement barrier) http://s475.photobucket.com/albums/r...eestafford100/

05-12-2009, 02:55 PM	#49
maxim612 Wannabe Elite Explorer 2008 XLT V6 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3 Vehicle Specs	following up good work

08-20-2009, 07:01 PM	#50
stylin99 Elite Explorer Gastonia, NC '08 5.0 Coyote Adrenalin Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 179 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	I thought I'd share some updates to my 5.4L Adrenalin project. I've been slowly collecting parts and doing my research. I bought a brand new Ford Racing 5.4 block as a foundation. Just need to stuff it with forged Manley pistons and rods coming soon. The heads were damaged on my F150 donor engine, so I'm sending them off to Fox Lake Racing for a full port job. I've worked with Fox Lake in the past and they do some seriously quality work on heads. I had planned to keep stock heads, but I might as well spend the money now and get it done right. Picked me up some stage 2 Comp Cams and new stronger valve springs. Painted my spare valve covers, with hi-temp engine paint and cleared them. Waiting on the wallet to recover before I can purchase the rest. Then it's assembly time!! The real piece of art will be the hardest on the ole wallet…. The 2.3 Whipple that's going to be sitting on top. Shootin' for 550-600 at the tires!! I'm so pumped about this project, I can't sleep without crunching compression ratios and piston-to-wall clearances in my head. __________________ '08 Adrenalin, red 5.0L Coyote engine swap with manual 6spd trans '99 Mustang GT, Supercharged w/nitrous, 829 rwhp Last edited by stylin99; 03-24-2010 at 07:16 PM.

08-21-2009, 07:30 AM	#52
FordBlueNJ Wannabe Elite Explorer Mt. Laurel, NJ 2008 XLT V8 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 23 Vehicle Specs	don't know if this will help any or not, but here it goes.... On the pics of the original 5.4 you picked up. I noticed the coil packs. I had that same engine in my old 02 F-150.... One of the lobes on the coil packs cracked over time and vibrated the spark plug out of the head.... Ended up causing all sorts of damage to the head. Couldn't be helicoiled. Had to get a new head installed on it. That's just an FYI/Heads up. Something to keep your eye on... I noticed ford changed the design on the coil packs on my 06 F250 with the 5.4. Great Build and good luck with it.... Oh and is that chevy red you painted those valve covers... __________________ 2008 XLT V8 2007 XLT Sport Trac V6 My other Toys (My Jet Skis): 2004 Sea-Doo RXP Custom Stage 2+ (78.4 MPH) 2003 Kawasaki STX-R (Closed Course Ready)

10-15-2009, 08:55 AM	#57
04mach1 Wannabe Elite Explorer Melbourne,FL 2007 Sport Trac Limited Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 124 Vehicle Specs	Any news on the swap. __________________ 2011 Shelby GT500 Kona Blue with White stripes 2007 Sport Trac Limited Oxford White V8 4X4 Magnaflow cat-back, K&N Drop in

10-15-2009, 10:07 AM	#58
stylin99 Elite Explorer Gastonia, NC '08 5.0 Coyote Adrenalin Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 179 Vehicle Specs (Original Poster)	Yep. The 3v CP Pistons arrived. 8.3cc dish. They are a work of art. Still waiting on funds to allow the rest of the engine build to happen. Wallet got drained when the tranny went out in the Mustang. Doh! And I went ahead and put on the painted valve covers to keep me happy in the mean time. See other thread here for the photos. __________________ '08 Adrenalin, red 5.0L Coyote engine swap with manual 6spd trans '99 Mustang GT, Supercharged w/nitrous, 829 rwhp