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crazyflights

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I am not quite done with my V8 swap but is very close and does run and appear to run very well, I have gathered alot of information from various other thread, online research, trial and error and want to make this a little easier for the next person behind me. My swap info will be best when used with Non OBD2 vehs, such as Bronco2's Older Rangers and 91-94 Explorers. If you plan on doing 4wd/v8 swap, with Explorer based 5.0 Powertrain.

This is to hit on some of they key areas that I know I wondered about before getting started, not detailed how to actually pull out the motor and so forth.

-First this is based on using a 5.0 from Ford Explorer and mine was from 97 which does not have PATS which takes one headache out of the swap and I am replicating all the orginal equipement and swapping onto a 92 Ranger Cab which is sitting on 89 Bronco 2 frame.


***Things you will need***
Complete wrecked donor would be easiest but here is the list-

-ENGINE-from 5.0 Explorer prefered 97 and older *No Pats and has dual fuel lines*

-TRANNY- from Ford Explorer 5.0 *4R70W I believe*

-TRANSFERCASE-factory is awd with no Low range so not a good choice, options are 4406 Manual, Advanced Adapters tranny adapter so you can run 1354 Manual, 1356 Manual will require trimming very tight fit, or run an Atlas. -I am using an Atlas

-Driveshafts- will be custom depending on your axles, lift, and t-case choice **If your using the Advanced Adapters peice using 1354 tcase u may be able to use orginal driveshafts**

-Fuel tank Pump- Im running stock fuel Pump that was running a 2.9 V6 in 89 Bronco 2 appears to work fine **If you have 91-94 Explorer stock Pump should work fine**

-Fuel lines- I adapted input line from the explorer, that goes from fuel filter to engine side, then had to use that orginal B2 line that went from the filter to engine as the opposite line.

-Engine mounts- you will need adapting mounts- I used Solid Mounts from L&L

-Transmission crossmember- Will need modified to line up, unless you are using the advanced adapter kits that allows you to run 1354, Will put mount in correct location.

-Oil pan- I used factory Explorer Oilpan- but had to modify my crossmember on the frame to not hit, and I have a Solid axle swap, may be little tougher with TTB brackets, so you may need Oil pan.

-Oil filter relocation kit- You will have to have this, there is just not room, several are made, I used L&Ls, and is very nice unit.

-Throttle cable- I was able to use the 97 explorers throttle cable with my 92 Ranger Cab pedal

-Tempature Sensor -My gauge in truck would not work with factory explorer sensor, but went to auto parts store and one for the orginal 3.0 engine was same threds installed it and bam-temp gauge works great. -so likley will need switched on your application.

-Manifolds or headers- The stock manifolds fit and you can run the stock explorer 1st set of exhuast and cats, but the 2nd set of Cats I had to delete and make a short connection between where they were and my muffler. There are not many good options for headers with the explorers if you want to try and stay emissions legal and cause some 97s and all 98 and Newer have the GT40-P heads which angle the spark plugs differently which has interferance issues. best option is Torque Monster Swap headers but order well in advance he is very busy and can take awhile to get them.

-Radiator- I used stock Explorers 5.0 Radiator but did have to cut and trim the bottom of my core support out, I plan to brace it back up, there are many swap radiators available also. I used a lower radiator hose for 76 Ford bronco with 302. Factory explorer upper hose. Update I believe 99 -01 Explorer V8 lower radiator hose is a 1 peice hose.

-Condensor- Core support will need modified which if you are using explorers radiator that will be done allready, I have not completed hooking up my a/c so will advise more when completed but lines do not appear to connect will need and adapter line??

-Powersteering line- You will need adapter for the steering box then hydraulic line with JIC6 fitting, will update with more info

-Firewall clearance- Was not an issue since I have 3in Body lift, close but all fits.

-Computer- use the factory explorer PCM, Mounting the Explorer puts PCM under the hood on the firewall about middle of the engine bay, you can build a box and cut Hole to mount it similar if your vehicles isnt located there, on my 92 Ranger cab it was located on passengerside floor kickpanel, I lengthed all the wires and placed mine in the factory spot which Holds it in place, but if I hjad to do it again after extending the wires I would put it on the firewall under the Hood.

-Sensors- The explorer has couple addtional sensors, I added Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor to my gas tank, which invovled cutting out the one from the explorer tank and welding it on the Bronco2 tank top, *which working with fuel tanks is scary I rinsed both with water numerous times then soapy water, then while cutting and welding had them full of water. I didnt blow up so worked for me. Do at your own risk. Also there is Charcoal Canister and 1 other sensor that were added. _i will have to get correct names , i just dont have everything handy with me.

-Wiring was actually fairly simple and I will go into more detail when I get my notes handy.

Will continue to update when I get a chance
 



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wow man thats a good writeup so far. Almost making me want to stop putting my new 4.0 i got for my 94 X and go out and get a new 5.0.
 






Thanks guy, still not close to done, still going to get very detailed into wiring , which was the hard part.
 












I am aggressively waiting on the wiring information. Spent the past several days building a spreadsheet on the C115/C202 connectors for my swap. I guess you might consider a 28 year old Volvo a non-OBDII vehicle.

The spreadsheet is pretty much done and lists the C115 pin, the wiring circuit number, wire color code, Wiring Diagram page numbers, description of circuit and to-from information plus notes along the way for the 42 pin connector.

Would love to share it but have not found a way to post an attachment on this forum. You have posted pictures so it obviously can be done. It is .pdf format.
 






Can you get some more photos of the V8 vs inside steering box clearance? I think that would help a lot of people who need to add steering boxes.
 






Here is my current effort to describe the electrical connections at the large, square 42 pin connector from the engine wiring harness to the rest of the vehicle, known as Connector 115. I am still seeking a number of circuits that are missing from the spreadsheet after many times through the book. Anyone finding the missing ones please let me know. The notes on the right side are for my swap into an '82 Diesel Volvo. The Volvo had 6 wires coming through the firewall compared to the 30 something of the Explorer.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zizgzzotmgk
 






Which years of Explorer/Ranger are you looking for?

Can you get some more photos of the V8 vs inside steering box clearance? I think that would help a lot of people who need to add steering boxes.

This is an Explorer engine in the engine bay of a 1984 Ranger with an inside steering box... Is this what you are referring to?
 

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That is exactly what I am referring to. Thanks for the pic. :thumbsup:

I wonder how much different a 2nd gen frame is. When you chose that oil relocation kit, were they all pretty much the same size? Or did you have to get the most compact one you could find?
 






Great write up in the making... I'm so glad my swap is in progress and should be done by Friday...
 






That oil relocator was a royal PITA...

That is exactly what I am referring to. Thanks for the pic. :thumbsup:

I wonder how much different a 2nd gen frame is. When you chose that oil relocation kit, were they all pretty much the same size? Or did you have to get the most compact one you could find?

I made my own mount brackets so I could use a standard Ford Truck engine mount...Plus my mounts also allowed fore and aft movement of the engine if I needed to move it...The mount plates allow the engine to sit lower in the frame so the oil relocator needed to be one that had its ports exiting the side of the spin-on mount not the top...

I tried a couple of high end side exit relocators [Canton and L & L] but they were too thick through the body to not interfere with the steering box...In the end I used a perma-cool unit that spins on and it has not leaked a drop of oil...That picture was of a stroker engine in the Ranger from some time in 2000...That same engine is still in that truck today and will, at some point, reside in my 1999 Explorer Sport...

You also asked about the 2nd gen frame...The 2nd Gen has no engine crossmember like the 1st Gen does...There is a steering rack at the front of the frame where the balancer and the front of the oil pan would be...The frame is open all the way back to the transmission crossmember..It is an engine swappers' dream...This pic is of a 4x4; the rwd is even more uncluttered...
 

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Very Nice. Subscribing.
 






Sorry Guys no update yet Ive been busy trying to get mine done it will be completed by Thursday, I will update how I did my wiring as detailed as I can but havent figured out best way to do it yet.
 












Picture of this harness will be added:::::::::::

97 Explorer Engine Harness C115F

Pin #----Circuit/Color------Function-------------------New Location on 92 Cab
1----- 16(R/LG)----------Igntion Coils +12VPower-----
2----- 11(T/Y) ----------Tachometer-----------------
3----- 915 (PK/LB)-------data link connector---------Run new wire to cab to CheckPort
4-----511 (LG)-----------brake On/OFF switch input---
5-----238 (DG/Y)--------Fuel Pump Monitor input------
6-----658 (Pk/Lg)-------Malfunction Indicator Lamp---
7-----679 (GY/BK)------Vehicle Speed Sensor Input---
8-----37 (Y)-----------Keep Alive Power (B+)---------
9-----361 (R)----------Power (VPWR)----------------
10----29(Y/W)---------Fuel Pump Sendor Input-------
11----914(T/O)--------data link connector-----------Run new wire to cab to CheckPort
12----224(T/W)-------transmission OD control switch-
13----676 (Pk/O)------Case Ground------------------
14----91 (P/W)--------Canister Vent Solenoid--------
15----926(LB/O)-------Fuel Pump relay control-------
16----39(R/W) --------engine collant temp sensor----
17----791(R/Pk)-------Fuel Tank pressure transducer-
18----359 (Gy/R)------Signal Return-----------------
19----351 (Br/W)------reference voltage------------
20----199 (LB/Y)------transmission range sensor----
21----140( BK/Pk)-----? Back up lamps?------------
22----107 (P)---------data link connector----------Run new wire to cab to CheckPort
23--------------------No wire present--------------
24----329 (PK)--------starter circuit----------------
25----298(P/O)--------?Backup Lamps?-------------
26----253 (DG/W)-----Oil pressure switch-----------
27----305 (Lb/Pk)-----Not used -will double check?--
28----394-(O/Bk)-----air suspension (Not used)-----
29--------------------No wire present--------------
30----331 (Pk/Y)------WOT A/C cut off-------------
31----32(R/Lb)--------starter circuit---------------
32--------------------No wire present-------------
33----463 (R/W)------Nuetral Sense SW (auto)----
34----570(Bk/W)------Ground---------------------Added ring and Grounded
35-------------------No wire present-------------
36----34(LB/O)------+12v for O2 and EGR sensors--
37----198(DG/O)-----AC high pressure cutoff sw input-
38-------------------No wire present----------------
39----191(LG/BK)----Vapor management Valve-------
40----911 (W/LG----Overdrive Control Ind Lamp------
41------------------No wire present-----------------
42----570 (Bk/W)----Ground------------------------Added Ring and Grounded
 






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1.) -Fuel tank Pump- Im running stock fuel Pump that was running a 2.9 V6 in 89 Bronco 2 appears to work fine **If you have 91-94 Explorer stock Pump should work fine**

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2.)-Engine mounts- you will need adapting mounts- I used Solid Mounts from L&L

-Transmission crossmember- Will need modified to line up, unless you are using the advanced adapter kits that allows you to run 1354, Will put mount in correct location.

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1.) There is no way that a 2.9L-V6 fuel pump is going to safely feed a 5.0L-V8. Especially not an old, stock one. It may appear to be ok at idle, or even under light load. However, as soon as you start running it hard, and certainly after you do any mods to the motor, you will end up running out of fuel pump capacity, the motor will go lean, at the worst possible time, under load at WOT, and BOOM! You're going to need a fuel pump properly sized for your new motor.

2.) Solid mounts are fine for off-road only applications and/or if you really don't mind the extra noise and vibration transmitted to the chassis. However, if you use solid motor mounts, you must also use solid trans/transfer case mounts as well. Using solid motor mounts w/ rubber, or even poly, trans mounts will eventually result in cracking/breaking the bellhousing and/or tranny case, due to the torsional forces (twisting). Unless you know your motor will be making so much power that it will break anything but solid mounts, the best solution would be polyurethane mounts all the way around. (motor/trans/transfer case/etc..) They have the best balance of keeping everything in place, while still having a little give, to minimize vibrations, as well as protecting the powertrain from damage.
 



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Carguy I will check into Fuel Pump PSI ratings

Solid engine mounts will be a matter of personal preference and intended use.
 






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