Didn't like it at first, but..

[manaen]

oh that's just sad. ^^^

Cheaper and more fuel efficient. And sadly most people couldn't care what kind of drive it has as long as it's more fuel efficient. And I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people who buy this car don't even have a clue if it's RWD or FWD.

unfortunately you are probably right, these are the same people that think the HEMI is something wonderful certainly more then marketing hype.

[Joe Dirt]

Psshhhh... My 1982 Mercury Lynx had a Hemi...

[NHarris]

Hahah some people these days. (the mustang pic)

[Joe Dirt]

Exactly...

Now THAT could create some wicked oversteer!

[IZwack]

I dunno man - if you only had a pair of chains and a RWD vehicle, would you really put it in the back? Doing so might just lead to trouble because its more about steering than acceleration in snow and most of the weight of the vehicle is at the front (remember that 75-80 percent of braking force is at the front). So as long as you kept momentum up, I think a set of chains in the front would make more sense than a set of chains in the rear.

Just some thoughts...

[/hijack]

[NHarris]

Originally Posted by IZwack

I dunno man - if you only had a pair of chains and a RWD vehicle, would you really put it in the back? Doing so might just lead to trouble because its more about steering than acceleration in snow and most of the weight of the vehicle is at the front (remember that 75-80 percent of braking force is at the front). So as long as you kept momentum up, I think a set of chains in the front would make more sense than a set of chains in the rear.

Just some thoughts...

[/hijack]

But the problem like here in utah is, no traction no movement. The picture looks like its on a small hill, can't tell, but my brother has a mustang of a similar year to that one, and he cant get traction worth shit. But then again he's got those street racing/high performance tires. I laugh when he gets stuck. He doesn't think he needs chains, or snow tires, his idea of snow tires/chains, is adding more horsepower to his car.

Maybe that person with the mustang should get this one....Looks like to me a mix of a honda and a mustang....Maybe its FWD now.

Or even better....

And how many spoilers do you need? I see at least 2.

[IZwack]

Originally Posted by icecube498

But the problem like here in utah is, no traction no movement

Ah true. But I think steering and stopping is more important than acceleration - which is why I think that front traction is more important than the rear (and is why front wheel drive cars are easier to handle than rear wheel drive cars in the snow).

[NHarris]

Originally Posted by IZwack

Ah true. But I think steering and stopping is more important than acceleration - which is why I think that front traction is more important than the rear (and is why front wheel drive cars are easier to handle than rear wheel drive cars in the snow).

-True on that. FWD are better in the snow, but not as good as AWD or 4WD. And also on that chain thing, going up the hill I live on is a bitch in winter. If you can't keep momentum up that hill you're screwed, if you only have a 2wd car. Down hill, the stopping and steering is more important, and same with uphill to a point. I think that in all, its best to have snow tires or chains for all tires. Except on FWD, where all the drive and steering is up front, then just 2.
This is where a fwd ford focus has an advantage over a rwd F150. The focus has engine weight on the front tires. The truck has no wieght in the rear for those tires.
-Having acceleration is important, same with having traction and steering control. Both work together, and if your wheels are spinning in the back, then theres no traction or etc., but it could just be you have acceleration and no traction. So all in all they all work together.
-Here's the best of both worlds you can have rwd acceleration, but rwd turning and traction.

[FLOffroad]

If only the 2011 explorer was half the vehicle of a Jeep Hurricane, alas. I'm afraid I might be tempted to sell my Ford stock on the 26th.
I'll admit, Hurricane's a silly vehicle, terrible for average people, but a great idea.

[NHarris]

Remember this explorer? The Explorer Sportsman Concept. Wish it was the 2011 Explorer. I'd buy one of these in a heartbeat. Awesome looking car....

[FLOffroad]

Agreed

[damarble]

^^That would have been a better direction. This latest revision looks like it moved out of the Explorer's original segment. It's too blah and generic now.

[alexk]

Originally Posted by icecube498

Hmm...I just thought it was unveiled on the 26th....Didn't think it was hitting the lots...
Don't expect to see one at my ford dealership for a while. Besides I wouldn't go there to look at a 11 X, the sales staff (except for the dealer) treated me like shit when I went to look at a jeep wrangler.
So I'll go to the next closest dealer... Mcfarland Ford Mercury
I won't buy a new explorer for a while...being that I just bought my 05. But I'm still going to go and look at one, just to see whats so good about them.
Next things next, I love my explorer, enough that when it comes time to replace my 98, or 05, I'll probably buy another one. And if i go for an 11-? ECOBOOST FOR SHO!

-alexk, what happened to your 02 X?

I read an article somewhere saying that was how ford was planning to unveil it, Ill dig through my history and post it.

My 02 X got traded in. I needed a new transmission, timing chain was rattling, 2 wheel bearings, 5 coil packs (no check engine light yet but they were going) sway bar bushings, keyless entry module was on its way out, and the interior lights wouldnt shut off (wd-40 method wouldnt work). I came up with a total of a little over $5K to get everything fixed to my liking so for another $1750 I was able to get a newer maxima.

Now that newer maxima turned into a pile so that got traded in today and Im picking up my new car tomorrow

[NHarris]

Originally Posted by alexk

I read an article somewhere saying that was how ford was planning to unveil it, Ill dig through my history and post it.

My 02 X got traded in. I needed a new transmission, timing chain was rattling, 2 wheel bearings, 5 coil packs (no check engine light yet but they were going) sway bar bushings, keyless entry module was on its way out, and the interior lights wouldnt shut off (wd-40 method wouldnt work). I came up with a total of a little over $5K to get everything fixed to my liking so for another $1750 I was able to get a newer maxima.

Now that newer maxima turned into a pile so that got traded in today and Im picking up my new car tomorrow

Whats the new car?

Originally Posted by damarble

^^That would have been a better direction. This latest revision looks like it moved out of the Explorer's original segment. It's too blah and generic now.

That explorer sportsman concept looks similar to a four door jeep. I think thats the way the X should have gone, I'd buy one, but would others....they tailor to what the market wants, and thats a sporty car-like SUV. People want a SUV with the gas mileage of a Honda Civic Hybrid. <-I'll admit that'd be sweet if my X got 50mpg in city.

[NHarris]

So here's some (approx) numbers on the new Explorer (I can not say these are the actual numbers):
Seating: Up to 6
Towing: 3,500lbs
Horsepower: 4cyl turbo: 237-275 Hp, 6cyl: 265, 6cyl TT: 340 Horsepower
Horsepower numbers are all BHP, not RWHP.

[FLOffroad]

While most people do want good MPGs nowadays, Wranglers are still really popular. They're rated as one of the most over-priced vehicles, and Jeep still sells a lot of them, and it's because there is practically no new vehicle that directly competes with it (ie. solid 4x4 SUV, easily modified and a convertible).

Not surprised by those numbers though, maybe someone will make a video of a 6.2L SVT Raptor pulling a 2011 explorer with it's E-brake on through a muddy offroad course, that'd be amusing.

[FLOffroad]

Speaking of the Sportsman Concept, it's for sale at auction on 08/12/2010!

http://www.carandclassic.com/car/C170119/

I wouldn't pay $40-60k for it, but that's only because concept cars in general look silly to me.

[NHarris]

Originally Posted by FLOffroad

Speaking of the Sportsman Concept, it's for sale at auction on 08/12/2010!

http://www.carandclassic.com/car/C170119/

I wouldn't pay $40-60k for it, but that's only because concept cars in general look silly to me.

Dang! I wish I had the money for that car... I'd love to have that explorer.

Originally Posted by FLOffroad

While most people do want good MPGs nowadays, Wranglers are still really popular. They're rated as one of the most over-priced vehicles, and Jeep still sells a lot of them, and it's because there is practically no new vehicle that directly competes with it (ie. solid 4x4 SUV, easily modified and a convertible).

Not surprised by those numbers though, maybe someone will make a video of a 6.2L SVT Raptor pulling a 2011 explorer with it's E-brake on through a muddy offroad course, that'd be amusing.

I don't think those new wranglers are too great (quality wise), but I think Chrysler Corp's quality is on its way up so the jeep may be a good solid SUV again. I originally was going to purchase a jeep (instead of this X) for the reasons of its a solid 4X4, and its easibly modifiable, and its not a convertible, but it can go topless.
Ford needs to bring back the BRONCO!!!!! Take some sales away from the jeep wrangler. I'd buy a new bronco if it was like the concept.
And yeah that'd be amusing (the raptor pulling the 11 X).
They'll need to redo the front end...In my opinion it (front end) doesn't look too good, everything else is.

[NHarris]

Along with the sportsman concept up at auction this lil X is up for auction.
Its the ford explorer urban concept. Looks pretty sweet

[alexk]

Originally Posted by icecube498

Whats the new car?

umm...*prepares to be stoned* a 2010 Jeep Liberty