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*X24* · 08-19-2002, 05:57 PM

I have a bunch of 14 ga. wire that I was going to use for power and ground. I was more concerned with the wire size from the sending units.

aldive · 08-19-2002, 06:01 PM

14 g should be fine for the power and ground; I used 12 g ( but had plenty of it around ). The wire from the sender to gauge can be small; I would use 14 g.

Goof luck.....

*X24* · 08-22-2002, 11:11 PM

OK!!! I got everything installed. Putting in the sending unit for the oil pressure was a B!@%#. It is so tight in there. The tranny filter was easy to install.

Aldive, I'm wondering what fuse or wire you put the dim wire for the gauges on. I cant seem to find a fuse that will work. I found one that works with low beams and one for high beams but nothing that will work when the parking lamps are on. I'm pretty sure the main parking lamp fuse is under the hood. Just wondering which one you used if you chose to hook up a dim wire. Thanks.

aldive · 08-22-2002, 11:32 PM

I decided not to hook up the dimmer circuit.

*X24* · 08-22-2002, 11:36 PM

Oh. I guess I'll have to keep on guessing then. If I cant find one then I will probably just make them dim all the time. That is too much light at night right in front of my face. I took it out for a 10 minute ride and the tranny temp went up to 128. The reading is from after the radiator and before the cooler. I'm a little concerned about the oil pressure tho.

aldive · 08-23-2002, 08:04 AM

My gauges don't bother me at night.

What were the range of your tranny temp reading?

What about the oil pressure?

Thanks....

*X24* · 08-23-2002, 10:28 AM

When coasting or just crusing the tranny temp is around 120. When I get on the gas I got it to go up to 128 but this was only a 10 minute ride. As for the oil pressure... At a cold start up it stays around 55 and when driving it cold it hit 60 but after a few minutes when things started to heat up it dropped into the upper 40's while crusing and under load. When coasting to a stop it drops quickly into the lower 20's and when idling after everything is warm it stays right around 16. Does that seem too low?

*X24* · 08-23-2002, 12:51 PM

Well, here they are...

aldive · 08-23-2002, 12:53 PM

Where did you mount the sender for the oil pressure gauge?

*X24* · 08-23-2002, 01:02 PM

I took out the stock sender and made a T fitting to go into the block. Then I mounted the stock sender and the new sender onto the T. Took me about 3 hours just to do that. My hand is still bleeding.

Opera House · 08-27-2002, 07:55 AM

I just installed an external filter in my 97 Explorer 4X4 using a Summit TRD-1028 ($12.75) that was just on the shelf collecting dust. Having an external filter also makes a transmission flush an easy and clean if you use the Summit spin on filter bypass adaptor TRD-1013 ($9.95) connected to a drain hose. I have mounted the filter with a dog leg "L" bracket on the outside rail just behind the bumper. So forward is it that the filter is within 1/4 inch of the bumper bolt. This makes for very low visibility and the filter was sprayed black to further conceal it. Filter is installed between the radiator and the external cooler. Remember that fluids flow faster when they are warmer and those of you in colder climates should place the filter before the radiator. I was told that Ford has a "H" plumbing adaptor that they place before large coolers that induce flow restrictions in cold weather and provides for bypassing. Another way to reduce flow restriction is to use a dual filter mount such as Summit TRD-1036 ($25.75). It should be noted that the efficiency of a filter greatly increases as you reduce the flow through it. But, where would you mount it?

I am using a PL3001 filter. Have never found a worse filter than the FRAM PH8A, there isn't even a close second. These have minimal filter area and are designed to restrict flow rates when the oil is cold. I've taken a lot of used filters apart and found that ALL check valves start to fail after a few months unless they are made of silicone rubber. Many filters can be easily opened by using a good quality kitchen can opener. Just get your own because it is hard on the cutting wheel.

An alternative to this mounting hassle is to use the inline XL30 from SPX filters which also has internal magnets. Technicals can be seen on bryco.com. The filter can be ordered on bulkparts.com for about $15 plus shipping. I also get my pan filters for my A4LD and 5R55E from this site. Part number 23921 fits both and is the glass fiber media type from SPX/FILTRAN made in the US. In the A4LD application, this has double the filter area of the original. At $10.35, this is half the price of the Taiwan ones from Autozone.

aldive · 08-27-2002, 08:05 AM

Any pics of your install?

Opera House · 08-27-2002, 06:17 PM

Yea, black on black on black makes a good picture. Even when you look for it it is almost invisable. Everything was sprayed flat black after the test drive for leaks.

aldive · 08-27-2002, 07:19 PM

Why the black paint job?

Opera House · 08-28-2002, 07:24 AM

One poster noted that he felt uncomfortable with the filter being obvious and very accessable. Sorry to say, but I also believe that there is some jerk out there saying to himself, "Wouldn't this be funny" and spin it off. This in't a show car. Guess I just prefer the understated existance. My main reason for putting it in is that on occasion under load, I get a very short shudder in overdrive. I just flushed the system and installed a new pan filter. With the cost of Mercon V, this will be a cheap way to monitor the transmission without having to drain the pan.

Iggy flywheel · 08-28-2002, 11:49 AM

Opera I been thinking about the external filter doover. I looked at the inline filter it looks pretty good. What size filter the 3/8 or 5/16 to fit the tranny lines? Where would you instal it before the radiator cooler or after?

Opera House · 08-30-2002, 09:45 AM

Yea I looked at that and thought what's the difference. I measured the transmission lines and they were 0.370 OD so that is basically 3/8 if you are going to cut the steel lines. I think the cooler I installed necked down to 5/16 but it had a larger end barb that easily sealed on a 3/8 hose.

I think I would go with the 3/8" one. That close, the hoses would expand up or clamp down. I see it costs a little more and in my dream world I would like to believe that it has a higher flow capacity. That's probably not true. I was an engineer for a company that produced a product that sold as three part numbers and specifications. They were all the same part, same testing, just different labels. The more expensive ones were more expensive because we would have to make a special production run to put the labels on.

gtmazz · 08-30-2002, 11:11 AM

HEY GUYS.
I have been following this topic for awhile. Im not sure if someone had metioned this before , but i found a TSB from Ford on the external inline filter for the A/T. Im probibly going to buy the one from Summit but I thought I would post this info as an FYI.. The following is directly from the Ford TSB . I priced the kit from Ford and it cost about $40. If anyone wants a complete copy of the TSB I have it in Word..or maybe we could have it posted on the website.. Thanks Jim

TSB A/T - In Line Fluid Filter Kit ISSUE

Contamination from prior transmission concerns or excess wear may be trapped in the transmission fluid cooling system. This debris must be removed by properly cleaning the transmission cooling system. After cleaning, some contamination may still remain. The remaining contamination may be reintroduced into the fluid cooling system of a repaired/replaced transmission causing premature or repeat failures.
ACTION
After every overhaul or transmission exchange, clean, flush and backflush the transmission fluid cooling system which includes: fluid cooler, auxiliary cooler, cooler lines, and Cooler Bypass Valve (CBV), if equipped. Perform the cooler flow test to ensure proper transmission fluid flow volume on the transmission return line through the cooling system. Once proper fluid flow volume is verified install the Transmission Fluid In-Line Filter Kit (XC3Z-7B155-AA) in the fluid cooler return line (transmission fluid flow coming out of the fluid cooler going into the transmission). Refer to the following Service Procedure for details

aldive · 08-30-2002, 11:23 AM

Does the Ford kit have a fitting for a tranny temp gauge?

Do you have a picture of this kit?

Thanks.....

gtmazz · 08-30-2002, 12:04 PM

I found a pic of the ford Inline Filter see link..

www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/trnsfltr.jpg

Dont think it has a fitting for the temp gauge.....Looks like the Summit kit is a better deal..plus you can use a standard off the shelf filter...

cya!

Jim

08-19-2002, 05:57 PM	#141
X24 RAMajama Pleasant Valley, NY 05 RAM 2500 TURBO DIESEL Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,006 Vehicle Specs	I have a bunch of 14 ga. wire that I was going to use for power and ground. I was more concerned with the wire size from the sending units. __________________ X24's Page 1998 XLT - PICS -- MORE PICS -- My Email 2004 MXZ REV 600HO

08-19-2002, 06:01 PM	#142
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	14 g should be fine for the power and ground; I used 12 g ( but had plenty of it around ). The wire from the sender to gauge can be small; I would use 14 g. Goof luck..... __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-22-2002, 11:11 PM	#143
X24 RAMajama Pleasant Valley, NY 05 RAM 2500 TURBO DIESEL Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,006 Vehicle Specs	OK!!! I got everything installed. Putting in the sending unit for the oil pressure was a B!@%#. It is so tight in there. The tranny filter was easy to install. Aldive, I'm wondering what fuse or wire you put the dim wire for the gauges on. I cant seem to find a fuse that will work. I found one that works with low beams and one for high beams but nothing that will work when the parking lamps are on. I'm pretty sure the main parking lamp fuse is under the hood. Just wondering which one you used if you chose to hook up a dim wire. Thanks. __________________ X24's Page 1998 XLT - PICS -- MORE PICS -- My Email 2004 MXZ REV 600HO

08-22-2002, 11:32 PM	#144
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	I decided not to hook up the dimmer circuit. __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-22-2002, 11:36 PM	#145
X24 RAMajama Pleasant Valley, NY 05 RAM 2500 TURBO DIESEL Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,006 Vehicle Specs	Oh. I guess I'll have to keep on guessing then. If I cant find one then I will probably just make them dim all the time. That is too much light at night right in front of my face. I took it out for a 10 minute ride and the tranny temp went up to 128. The reading is from after the radiator and before the cooler. I'm a little concerned about the oil pressure tho. __________________ X24's Page 1998 XLT - PICS -- MORE PICS -- My Email 2004 MXZ REV 600HO

08-23-2002, 08:04 AM	#146
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	My gauges don't bother me at night. What were the range of your tranny temp reading? What about the oil pressure? Thanks.... __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-23-2002, 10:28 AM	#147
X24 RAMajama Pleasant Valley, NY 05 RAM 2500 TURBO DIESEL Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,006 Vehicle Specs	When coasting or just crusing the tranny temp is around 120. When I get on the gas I got it to go up to 128 but this was only a 10 minute ride. As for the oil pressure... At a cold start up it stays around 55 and when driving it cold it hit 60 but after a few minutes when things started to heat up it dropped into the upper 40's while crusing and under load. When coasting to a stop it drops quickly into the lower 20's and when idling after everything is warm it stays right around 16. Does that seem too low? __________________ X24's Page 1998 XLT - PICS -- MORE PICS -- My Email 2004 MXZ REV 600HO

08-23-2002, 12:51 PM	#148
X24 RAMajama Pleasant Valley, NY 05 RAM 2500 TURBO DIESEL Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,006 Vehicle Specs	Well, here they are... Attached Images __________________ X24's Page 1998 XLT - PICS -- MORE PICS -- My Email 2004 MXZ REV 600HO

08-23-2002, 12:53 PM	#149
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	Where did you mount the sender for the oil pressure gauge? __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-23-2002, 01:02 PM	#150
X24 RAMajama Pleasant Valley, NY 05 RAM 2500 TURBO DIESEL Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,006 Vehicle Specs	I took out the stock sender and made a T fitting to go into the block. Then I mounted the stock sender and the new sender onto the T. Took me about 3 hours just to do that. My hand is still bleeding. __________________ X24's Page 1998 XLT - PICS -- MORE PICS -- My Email 2004 MXZ REV 600HO

08-27-2002, 07:55 AM	#151
Opera House Wannabe Elite Explorer Cincinnati, OH 97 Explorer XLT Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,092 Vehicle Specs	I just installed an external filter in my 97 Explorer 4X4 using a Summit TRD-1028 ($12.75) that was just on the shelf collecting dust. Having an external filter also makes a transmission flush an easy and clean if you use the Summit spin on filter bypass adaptor TRD-1013 ($9.95) connected to a drain hose. I have mounted the filter with a dog leg "L" bracket on the outside rail just behind the bumper. So forward is it that the filter is within 1/4 inch of the bumper bolt. This makes for very low visibility and the filter was sprayed black to further conceal it. Filter is installed between the radiator and the external cooler. Remember that fluids flow faster when they are warmer and those of you in colder climates should place the filter before the radiator. I was told that Ford has a "H" plumbing adaptor that they place before large coolers that induce flow restrictions in cold weather and provides for bypassing. Another way to reduce flow restriction is to use a dual filter mount such as Summit TRD-1036 ($25.75). It should be noted that the efficiency of a filter greatly increases as you reduce the flow through it. But, where would you mount it? I am using a PL3001 filter. Have never found a worse filter than the FRAM PH8A, there isn't even a close second. These have minimal filter area and are designed to restrict flow rates when the oil is cold. I've taken a lot of used filters apart and found that ALL check valves start to fail after a few months unless they are made of silicone rubber. Many filters can be easily opened by using a good quality kitchen can opener. Just get your own because it is hard on the cutting wheel. An alternative to this mounting hassle is to use the inline XL30 from SPX filters which also has internal magnets. Technicals can be seen on bryco.com. The filter can be ordered on bulkparts.com for about $15 plus shipping. I also get my pan filters for my A4LD and 5R55E from this site. Part number 23921 fits both and is the glass fiber media type from SPX/FILTRAN made in the US. In the A4LD application, this has double the filter area of the original. At $10.35, this is half the price of the Taiwan ones from Autozone. __________________ Rule #7: Believing and seeing are often both wrong. (FOW) 02, 97, 92 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L

08-27-2002, 08:05 AM	#152
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	Any pics of your install? __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-27-2002, 06:17 PM	#153
Opera House Wannabe Elite Explorer Cincinnati, OH 97 Explorer XLT Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,092 Vehicle Specs	Yea, black on black on black makes a good picture. Even when you look for it it is almost invisable. Everything was sprayed flat black after the test drive for leaks. __________________ Rule #7: Believing and seeing are often both wrong. (FOW) 02, 97, 92 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L

08-27-2002, 07:19 PM	#154
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	Why the black paint job? __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-28-2002, 07:24 AM	#155
Opera House Wannabe Elite Explorer Cincinnati, OH 97 Explorer XLT Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,092 Vehicle Specs	Black paint job One poster noted that he felt uncomfortable with the filter being obvious and very accessable. Sorry to say, but I also believe that there is some jerk out there saying to himself, "Wouldn't this be funny" and spin it off. This in't a show car. Guess I just prefer the understated existance. My main reason for putting it in is that on occasion under load, I get a very short shudder in overdrive. I just flushed the system and installed a new pan filter. With the cost of Mercon V, this will be a cheap way to monitor the transmission without having to drain the pan. __________________ Rule #7: Believing and seeing are often both wrong. (FOW) 02, 97, 92 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L

08-28-2002, 11:49 AM	#156
Iggy flywheel Wannabe Elite Explorer AZ 94 limited Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 90 Vehicle Specs	Opera I been thinking about the external filter doover. I looked at the inline filter it looks pretty good. What size filter the 3/8 or 5/16 to fit the tranny lines? Where would you instal it before the radiator cooler or after?

08-30-2002, 09:45 AM	#157
Opera House Wannabe Elite Explorer Cincinnati, OH 97 Explorer XLT Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,092 Vehicle Specs	Iggy Yea I looked at that and thought what's the difference. I measured the transmission lines and they were 0.370 OD so that is basically 3/8 if you are going to cut the steel lines. I think the cooler I installed necked down to 5/16 but it had a larger end barb that easily sealed on a 3/8 hose. I think I would go with the 3/8" one. That close, the hoses would expand up or clamp down. I see it costs a little more and in my dream world I would like to believe that it has a higher flow capacity. That's probably not true. I was an engineer for a company that produced a product that sold as three part numbers and specifications. They were all the same part, same testing, just different labels. The more expensive ones were more expensive because we would have to make a special production run to put the labels on. __________________ Rule #7: Believing and seeing are often both wrong. (FOW) 02, 97, 92 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L

08-30-2002, 11:11 AM	#158
gtmazz Wannabe Elite Explorer TURNERSVILLE,NJ 91 XLT Join Date: Mar 1999 Posts: 65 Vehicle Specs	FYI ..FORD FILTER KIT HEY GUYS. I have been following this topic for awhile. Im not sure if someone had metioned this before , but i found a TSB from Ford on the external inline filter for the A/T. Im probibly going to buy the one from Summit but I thought I would post this info as an FYI.. The following is directly from the Ford TSB . I priced the kit from Ford and it cost about $40. If anyone wants a complete copy of the TSB I have it in Word..or maybe we could have it posted on the website.. Thanks Jim TSB A/T - In Line Fluid Filter Kit ISSUE Contamination from prior transmission concerns or excess wear may be trapped in the transmission fluid cooling system. This debris must be removed by properly cleaning the transmission cooling system. After cleaning, some contamination may still remain. The remaining contamination may be reintroduced into the fluid cooling system of a repaired/replaced transmission causing premature or repeat failures. ACTION After every overhaul or transmission exchange, clean, flush and backflush the transmission fluid cooling system which includes: fluid cooler, auxiliary cooler, cooler lines, and Cooler Bypass Valve (CBV), if equipped. Perform the cooler flow test to ensure proper transmission fluid flow volume on the transmission return line through the cooling system. Once proper fluid flow volume is verified install the Transmission Fluid In-Line Filter Kit (XC3Z-7B155-AA) in the fluid cooler return line (transmission fluid flow coming out of the fluid cooler going into the transmission). Refer to the following Service Procedure for details __________________ 91 XLT 4X4 EXPLORER 2.5" JAMES DUFF LIFT 31"x10.5 TIRES K&N,DYNOMAX EXHAUST

08-30-2002, 11:23 AM	#159
aldive Elite In Memoriam 1999 XLT Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 25,280 Vehicle Specs	Does the Ford kit have a fitting for a tranny temp gauge? Do you have a picture of this kit? Thanks..... __________________ Al Franklin My truck My Quest for 30 RIP Al Franklin! 1947-2010. Gone but not forgotten! :(

08-30-2002, 12:04 PM	#160
gtmazz Wannabe Elite Explorer TURNERSVILLE,NJ 91 XLT Join Date: Mar 1999 Posts: 65 Vehicle Specs	I found a pic of the ford Inline Filter see link.. www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/trnsfltr.jpg Dont think it has a fitting for the temp gauge.....Looks like the Summit kit is a better deal..plus you can use a standard off the shelf filter... cya! Jim __________________ 91 XLT 4X4 EXPLORER 2.5" JAMES DUFF LIFT 31"x10.5 TIRES K&N,DYNOMAX EXHAUST